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1471  Forums / Break Room / Re: Praise God on: March 27, 2012, 09:58:32 AM
Okay.  I give up.  I'm wonderful!  You talked me into it.  Wink

LA...no matter how bad our sin is God still is faithful to bring us through it. Even if we do not sin less yet God will still provide for us all that we need when we see Him. He will hear our complaint about our past and tell us to wait a little longer. Then He will give us a white robe.. which is Christ righteousness without sin.. and we will grow to be more like Christ in eternity.
Did you know that once we believe in Christ that God no longer looks on us as sinning with impunity? Rather we now stand as having a substitute and He stands as our friend. Its like having a best friend always watching your back. This friend never has a bad thing to say about you in public. He tries to stand up for you even tho you may be in the wrong. He attributes all of your faults to weakness of the flesh. The only attempt He makes in connecting with you is through gifts and positive love. You can fail Him over and over again but He will still love and support you. Christ remains faithful when we are not. So the sting of death and weakness becomes weak when we experience the love of God through His promise to keep us and uphold us.
God does not deal with us by trying to guide us with words of wisdom or warnings of failure. But He guides us by providing a way to be blessed. Our worry, fret, fear, anger is extinguished by His great love for us. He does not focus on us as if He needed to counsel and warn us about something but He grants us more strength to endure and He prevents more trouble than we could handle. This is why the apostle prays that we will know the love of God that surpasses knowledge. That love that is provided as opposing our sin, our enemies , the self righteous and the powers that are too strong for us. This love is God in Christ who is like the person who stands in our place.
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1472  Forums / Break Room / Re: Dramatic departures on: March 27, 2012, 08:35:05 AM
Dont stay away to long Kk.... its been good going back and forth with you...thanks for your honesty and being clear with your position of these things. Take a break and come back again.
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1473  Forums / Prayer Requests / Re: For Our Mbg on: March 27, 2012, 08:07:52 AM
I will be ok.. its going to take a little time to adjust to this so i can have more energy to handle my schedule.
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1474  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: Reformed Doctrine on: March 26, 2012, 11:01:24 AM
http://www.sermonaudio.com/playpopup.asp?SID=3612213123
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1475  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: Covenant Theology and Addiction on: March 26, 2012, 08:59:14 AM
The law can increase our wanting to sin. The apostle says that when the law became alive I died. Then he says that it increased his sin. Now this is in my opinion a self fulfilling curse.  What people do not understand is that every man is religious. Just because someone does not read his bible or pray does not mean that he does not experience the work of his conscience and how he does no measure up to the law. This is what is so deceptive about sin. It is alive in men to create bondage to the law.

This is what the bible says that distinguished between Hagar and Sarah. Hagars offspring were those who lived by the law while Sarahs offspring were those who lived according to the promise in the covenant. Hagar children are cursed while Sarahs offspring are blessed. Why was Hagar cursed? Because her offspring were under the bondage to the law. She trusted in the law outside of the context of the gospel or disjointed counsel void of the gospel imperatives to believe and trust in. In other words they believed that their own works in some way were righteous because the works were done according to a principle or a law.

When ever we try to live up to the law ... the law brings us pain and discouragement. This is the process of death. The law is good in that it shows us our sin but it curses those who sin or break it. Hagar represents those who looked to a law or a principle in order to get better. While Sarah represents those who live by grace according to the promise. Sarahs offspring are those who apply the gospel to their sin while Hagars offspring are those who try to work to make themselves better.    
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1476  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: John 3:13-18.... Commentary.... John Calvin on: March 26, 2012, 08:42:44 AM
These words of Jesus in the God at Eventide book directly contradict Calvinism.

November 29

But My real Miracle work was in the hearts of men, because there I was limited by the Father's gift of free will to man.  I could not command man as I could the waves.  I was subject to the limitations the Father had set.  No man must be coerced into My Kingdom.Think of all that My restraint cost Me. I could have forced the world to accept Me, but I should then have broken faith with all mankind.


Yes i know... i hear this all the time from people. Its gotten so bad that the gospel is something that cannot be active or on the lips of people until they get their wills in order. So its... i made this choice or i changed this way by what i decided to do. Or i decided to give God this addiction... or i decided to take responsibility for my life. etc.

 The point is that someone is really not reading their bible. Because the bible says that in spite of our bad choices, in spite of our failures God has sent His Son to take these and we rejoice that He is so faithful and kind in His work for us.

I mean its ok to be excited about the work that God is doing through us. But we must begin to stop with all this social conversation and begin to focus on applying the gospel to ourselves. We must experience the goodness of God through His covenant promises to us. Then we will begin to extol Him and not our willing. At least get back to the standard of what i have discussed with Bill over the yrs.
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1477  Forums / Prayer Requests / Re: For Our Mbg on: March 26, 2012, 08:34:27 AM
Hope those troubles brewing don't keep you down. Sounds like you keep yourself pretty busy.14 pages of prayers for you sounds like your well loved around here. Good luck buddy.

Thanks SL.. no just been here writing for an awful long time... but pray for me .. the heat got to me and ive had to make some changes in my diet as well as continuing to work out.

Praying that you are feeling better, mbg.....
btw, whatcha been writing?

Thanks ML...Ive not been reacting very well to this weight loss. Been experiencing some inward struggles and physical weakness.
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1478  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: The Real Gospel on: March 25, 2012, 12:26:41 PM
Its everything in the scriptures. The statutes, the commands,decrees, and the ceremonial laws. Its really whatever God is in His character. Its how He has decided to rule in this world according to His wealth, power, wisdom and strength, honor, glory and praise. Christ could not sin because the demands of obedience presuppose the ultimate desire of praise for His glory. So as a man He was not only doing these things just to obey but He was pleased to do them at the standard that God is worthy of praise.
So in this since it pleased the Father to crush the Son because of Him being identified fully with sinners. This is the law fully carried out on Christ. He became a curse for us. When Christ was punished every violation of the law that the elect has ever committed spoke a curse to Him. This is why it is so important to understand the power of the law because if we fudge a little and say the law can be used in a saving effect then we devalue Christ accomplishments to lift our curses.
Some people like to say that He passively obeyed as well. In other words He met the requirements of the kind of obedience that was required. But i wonder if it was more that He was doing it for us with a desire to love us and not necessarily what kind of obedience it was. Because He will avenge the elect not just help us endure.
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1479  Forums / Main Forum / Re: Christians are discriminated against on: March 25, 2012, 11:57:01 AM
This is not a Jew- Gentile issue here but here is something to think about in discriminating against the average American and poor.
I've read Thor's posts before, and for him I think it is at least in part a Jew-Gentile issue.  

Its like Fascism... its not the individual people necessarily. It takes Government and business together to discriminate against a race of people. Somebody gave them these powers to deny other people their rites under the constitution. This is an expression of value based upon where the money is focused at this time. Its not really the media but its people being educated in social change , focusing on social structures instead of individual rites under the laws. Every country experiences a declining that cannot be turned around. What country has endured in freedom in the history of the world? They rise and fall.    
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1480  Forums / Main Forum / Re: Christians are discriminated against on: March 25, 2012, 11:13:33 AM
This is not a Jew- Gentile issue here but here is something to think about in discriminating against the average American and poor. This was very insightful and just a small answer to some of the questions why it is becoming more and more difficult to survive in this world.

The 'Secret' American Laws You Have to Pay to See
By Bruce Watson
Posted 3:00PM 03/23/12 Posted under: Economy, Special Report,
secret laws
\In America, dealing with the legal system isn't cheap If you find yourself in court, chances are that you'll spend a fortune hiring the best lawyer you can afford. But while good legal counsel costs a bundle, access to the law itself is supposed to be free. In other words, although you may need a professional to help you understand the legal code, you are supposed to be able to find out what the laws are without paying for the privilege.

But that's not the case with all laws. For some, you have to pay a stiff price just to take a peek.

Codes and standards -- the rules governing everything from fire safety in your office to your home electrical system -- occupy a twilight area between private information and public law. On the one hand, some of these rules are part of the legal system, and a failure to abide by them can result in stiff penalties. On the other, many of them were developed and updated by private organizations like the U.S. Green Building Council, the National Fire Protection Association or the Society of Automotive Engineers. Having produced these codes and standards, these nonprofit organizations are legally allowed to charge for access to them.

A Battle For Democratic Ideals

According to Jerry Goldman, research professor of law and director of the Oyez Project at the Chicago-Kent College of Law, this poses a serious challenge to some of America's most deeply-held ideals. "In a democracy, our laws are our operating system," he argues. "The operating system has to be free if we want a vibrant democracy."

By denying access to the law, Goldman claims, standards-setting organizations have created a "barrier to entry" for people who want to know the rules governing many aspects of their lives: "A layperson who wants to understand building code -- who wants to lift up the hood and see what's going on, as it were -- will be stuck with the full price of the code, and will be deterred from pursuing the issue further."

One group has faced the code issue head-on. Public.Resource.Org, a nonprofit organization dedicated to free access to the law, has spent the last five years posting state safety codes online. Recently, the group upped the stakes with their decision to copy and distribute 73 safety standards manuals that are integrated into federal law. In a largely symbolic move, they sent out 25 copies of the code books to a variety of groups, including the National Archives, the White House, and Harvard Law School.

But while Public.Resource.Org's actions were symbolic, the costs -- and potential consequences -- are far more tangible. All told, those 73 manuals cost the group $7,416.26, and the fines for reproducing them could total more than $273 million.

Charging for the Law

Why do standards-setting organizations charge so much for code books -- and why do they threaten such high fines for copying? To Goldman, the answer is simple: "As far as I can tell, there's no reason, apart from profiteering on the part of the organizations that render this service."

But not everybody sees the problem in such black-and-white terms. Thomas Bruce, director of Cornell's Legal Information Institute, notes that creating codes and standards isn't cheap: "The standards-setting organizations develop these codes at some expense to themselves," he explains. "They have to do extensive testing, writing and editing."

On the other hand, Bruce also admits that there is a definite problem with denying public access to the law. As he puts it, "A very real problem is that people can find themselves being held legally accountable for access to information for which they have to pay a fee."

To make things worse, the cost to access many codes has gone up, raising questions about where the money is going. Ideally, standards-setting groups like the NFPA or the SAE would use the money generated by their publishing wings to fund their testing and development programs, with little cash left over. In reality, though, Bruce notes, "It's reasonable to ask how many of these standards-setting organizations are becoming profit centers."

Commerce vs. Democracy

Ultimately, the question of access to codes translates into a battle between the democratic ideal of free access to the law and the very real -- and very high -- cost of developing these codes. If standards-setting groups were forced to publish their work for free, then there would be little economic reason for them to continue the high-cost process of developing codes. Or, as Thomas Bruce puts it, "If we take an ideological position and assume that we want total access to these standards, we have to ask how we shift the cost of producing them."

The obvious answer is that, if private organizations were no longer able to produce standards, the federal government would fill the gap, at some expense to taxpayers. But Jim Shannon, president and CEO of the NFPA, argues that the financial costs would be the least of the problems with federally-produced standards. A much bigger concern, he claims, would be the loss of an efficient, independent, and highly responsive standards-setting body.

The National Fire Protection Agency, Shannon's group, brings together more than 5,000 employees and volunteers to produce and test its standards. Representatives of all interested parties -- including manufacturers, consumers, the government, and other groups -- take part in the code-creation process. But while the NFPA draws from a wide variety of shareholders, it isn't dependent upon any of them for its funding, which means that it can maintain complete independence.

That's radically different from government organizations, like the FDA and the SEC, whose regulations generally bear the fingerprints of an army of well-paid lobbyists. And, unlike the food, drug and financial industries, which have been riddled with scandals and corruption, the NFPA's standards have proven quite successful, at least for the 150 countries -- including the United States -- that have adopted them. "It's a classic example of a public/private partnership that works," Shannon argues.

Much Ado About Nothing?

But what about access to the law? According to Shannon, the issue has been greatly overblown. Far from the high-priced barrier to legal access that Public.Resource.Org claims, he notes that the NFPA actually goes to great lengths to ensure that the public is able to access all of its codes at low cost: "We have put our codes and standards on the Internet in a read-only format. People can access them for free, but can't download or print them out."

Shannon argues that the NFPA's system works well for all of its shareholders.

"We don't get complaints from states, experts, agencies, or really even the public," he says. "We do hear complaints from third-party groups that want free information in the abstract." But while their argument is abstract, Public.Resource.Org's push for free publication of standards, Shannon notes, would have very real impacts: "It would destroy a system that has worked for 100 years. The consequences would be huge."

A Bad Example

In some ways, the NFPA represents an ideal example of a standards-setting body. The Fire Code, their main publication, is an exhaustive, 668-page compendium of fire protection requirements, updated every three years. It costs $82, but -- as Shannon notes -- is available online for free. What's more, it is self-funding: Proceeds from its sale pay for its development, as well as public education, advocacy work and lobbying for stricter safety standards.

But the practices of some standards-setting bodies are a bit more questionable. For example, the U.S. Green Building Council, a nonprofit group that creates the standards for environmentally-sustainable buildings, charges quite a bit more for its materials. For example, the group's main publication -- the 645-page LEED Reference Guide for Green Building Design and Construction -- costs $195, more than twice the price of the Fire Code, and the data isn't available for free online.

This wouldn't be a major problem, if not for the fact that all new work on every federal building must meet the LEED gold standard. In other words, if an engineer, architect, contractor -- or even Public.Resource.Org's ideal civilian who wants to take a peek under the hood of America's laws -- would like to know about the legal requirements for a government building, he or she would have to pay a premium for the information. Tristan Roberts, editorial director of BuildingGreen, points out the basic rules are available online for free, but they lack a lot of key information. "You'd be crazy to try to certify or construct a LEED building without the reference guide," he says

Surprisingly, Public.Resource.Org has not chosen to target the USGBC. They have, however, taken aim at Underwriters Laboratories, an organization whose standards aren't actually codified into the law.

Ultimately, Public.Resource.Org's quest for the disclosure of all our laws is certainly worthwhile, but their targets seem to be cherry-picked for maximum political impact, regardless of whether or not the groups involved are actually obscuring the law. And, with organizations like NFPA working to balance ease of access with protection for their intellectual property, it's worth asking if Public.Resource.Org's quest is a constitutional crusade or a bit of political positioning.

Public.Resource.Org refused our request for comment.

Bruce Watson is a senior features writer for DailyFinance. You can reach him by e-mail at bruce.watson@teamaol.com, or follow him on Twitter at @bruce1971.
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1481  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: difference between affliction and punishment? on: March 24, 2012, 08:53:46 AM
Ive been listening to the book of Job on tape. There are a few things i want to point out. Job was a righteous man who was not faultless. If you try to understand this man as he was suffering i dont think his main focus was on defending himself and saying that he was completely faultless in taking care of the needs of the poor. Because his friends who were addressing him i do not believe were speaking to a man they did not know. They were pointing out some of his flaws that they observed.
But the whole position of what is the standard of righteousness could be missed if we focus on the moral obligations of Job. The main theme in this book is that we have a personal devil who was opposing God and using Job to accuse God of not being just or faithful by Job. And we have Job who was struggling with his faith to believe that God was faithful in Jobs afflictions. Job is opposed to his friends not by trying to vindicate himself but he was more aware of living before God in a transparent way in which his friends were trying to paint a picture of God as being just in his punishment of Job.
This struggle with his friends was not with the motive to vindicate himself. But he had learned how to be transparent before God so that in his suffering he addressed his pain, Gods faithfulness and their false view of how God deals with the saint in suffering. Job is like an early psalmist who was righteous because of his practice in approaching God as a sinner. His friends were more interested in Jobs outward appearance. The narrative of Job is like a psalmist but this is different in that there is a real person responding to Jobs words of transparency.
We need to understand that a righteous man is able to endure suffering and vindicate God without having an image of himself that puts him in a position of being double minded. And yet we find Job as a man who was so focused on himself and his pain that it would seem this in itself was a sin. But Job was righteous because he was able in his being honest to exalt God because he was giving us a comparison between his inability to deal with the pain and offering a hope by his questioning of God believing that God would vindicate him.
So the unrighteousness in his account was that his friends did not have personal understanding of being in a trial and knowing how to be transparent before God. Instead they were filled with accusations.. some of them could have been true since they had witnessed Jobs life. In accusing Job they were accusing God of dealing too harshly with Job for his sin. These are like the religious Pharisees who clean the outside of the cup. Job on the other hand was seasoned in approaching God so that in the most extreme pain of the trial he is seen reasoning like a righteous man.   
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1482  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: The coming of the great Apocalypse on: March 22, 2012, 02:23:09 PM
Im thinking there may be an opening explanation of the world as it is that is before God. I am thinking that when it says that John goes through the door it is separating God on His throne from all these other images in the book. This introduction to the throne ends with everything on earth, under the earth, in the sea and all that is in them praising God.
So what we may have here is all of these descriptions of events around the throne that have an earthly meaning are like the introduction to a movie where they open up and show these created things before the throne as representative of all that God has done in time to bring Himself glory. So that the final doxology is all things under the heavens giving God glory. And then we start with how this has unraveled throughout the history of the world.   
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1483  Forums / Main Forum / Re: strange sounds in the sky on: March 22, 2012, 01:59:05 PM
Ive been thinking about this idea that our understanding of the separation between heaven and earth as distance may not be involved in how we interpret the Revelation. The way the throne is described it would be equivalent to a modern day fire works show. You have the thunder and lightening and the seven lamp stands blazing with fire shooting out of them and you have these angels carrying around all of these different things are compared to the believers activity on the earth.
Then you have a description of all of these heavenly beings who surround the throne of God. And yet these same characters who are talked about being in these specific positions before the throne actually are the workers in the rest of the book. So i am thinking there may be actual fires in time that represent this image of the throne of God as these spirits interact with history. Maybe Revelation is using the created events like thunder, lightening , trumpets, etc to show that the whole creation from the beginning of time is before the throne of God as giving Him glory. In other words Revelation is showing how a tornado comes into time from heaven so to speak.     
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1484  Forums / Prayer Requests / Re: For Our Mbg on: March 22, 2012, 11:11:33 AM
Hope those troubles brewing don't keep you down. Sounds like you keep yourself pretty busy.14 pages of prayers for you sounds like your well loved around here. Good luck buddy.

Thanks SL.. no just been here writing for an awful long time... but pray for me .. the heat got to me and ive had to make some changes in my diet as well as continuing to work out.
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1485  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: Covenant Theology and Addiction on: March 22, 2012, 10:38:50 AM
Covenant theology is not really a practical theology in that it provides counsel as if we were defined by our choices. But it more provides the basis for allowing us to choose for ourselves in light of our focus on glorifying God and enjoying Him forever. So when God provides us with the foundation of our relating to Him and to others then He blesses us with a completely new identity that produces a non threatening life.

The way of the righteous is not necessarily a moral way but its a way of peace. So the picture is like this. God is in heaven and He is sovereign over all people and things. He is at this time fighting a battle with Satan and His forces who seek to overthrow His purposes in this world. The saint is caught in this battle as if he was without power to overcome these heaven forces. So we sometimes are caught in the heat of the battle that we do not understand. This is why the apostle was saying that he was in distress but always strengthened by grace. So the apostle who was given a big portion of faith was advancing along the front lines of this battle.

But we see that our trust is not in our moral ability but in Gods strength alone. We are not called to a battle in which our advancing is depended upon our example. But because we find ourselves involved in a battle that seems to overthrow us at times then we are described as doing all that God wants us to do. So in this sense we are not called to tell others what they already know in a practical sense but we are soldiers in this battle coming along side of people to encourage them and strengthen them. Our lips speak evil when we speak in an angry tone or in threatening someone. I do not mean in the defending position.

The threats of the wicked show the evil of his heart. Because the only reason that he threatens is because he believes that he is god. If God is a God of peace then all God speaks to us is about His faithfulness and love for us. So then who devises these schemes? Who sits on their bed at nite and conspires? Who thinks in a worldly way about the wisdom he is going to implement to go against his neighbor? This is what James was warning about when James tells those unbelievers that wars and every evil thing comes from the heart of man! But we see that God protects us from spiraling down into a heart that sits on the bed and plots. lol Because God counsels us at nite. He surrounds us with songs of deliverance.. which in these Psalms are blessing and cursing. Why would you worry about those who conspire against your if God gives you the curses? Just leave it in Gods hands and seek to know the love of God alone. Then your lips will be used to encourage people who are not part of this elaborate plot . lol

We are always in need of Gods love and mercy. So God puts us in the heat of the battle in order to perform a victory that we could never do in our own strength, our own swords, our wise words, our ability to sacrifice, or our making the rite choices. But when we face the circumstances that seem insurmountable then we know that we are completely righteous because God is seen as our only hope. This is how God teaches us to walk in strength we do not have.This is how we are taught to walk by faith.

God does things in our lives in different times. He does this so that He will remind us of who He is and just how faithful and good He is.The life we live is not a moral choice life but we find within the works God performs on our behalf in these different markers of our lives that He is upholding us and causing us to focus on His work and not ours. This is why we are always desiring to see the great works of God. Because He speaks to us in a way where He shows us His love and then tells us to remember that He is faithful. If we learn to not focus so much on ourselves but on Gods past miracles then we will not think in a way were we are filled with worry and anxiety. We must understand that God always gets the praise for His work in our lives and the more we focus on that work and praise Him the more we are going to understand His covenant love. This is our life being acceptable not because we are good but because we are in the battle
 
1486  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: Commentary on Genesis - Volume 1 J. Calvin on: March 20, 2012, 02:42:42 PM
14. Let there be lights67 Moses passes onwards to the fourth day, on which the stars were made. God had before created the light, but he now institutes a new order in nature, that the sun should be the dispenser of diurnal light, and the moon and stars should shine by night. And He assigns them this office, to teach us that all creatures are subject to his will, and execute what he enjoins upon them. For Moses relates nothing else than that God ordained certain instruments to diffuse through the earth, by reciprocal changes, that light which had been previously created. The only difference is this, that the light was before dispersed, but now proceeds from lucid bodies; which in serving this purpose, obey the command of God.

To divide the day from the night He means the artificial day, which begins at the rising of the sun and ends at its setting. For the natural day (which he mentions above) includes in itself the night. Hence infer, that the interchange of days and nights shall be continual: because the word of God, who determined that the days should be distinct from the nights, directs the course of the sun to this end.

Let them be for signs It must be remembered, that Moses does not speak with philosophical acuteness on occult mysteries, but relates those things which are everywhere observed, even by the uncultivated, and which are in common use. A twofold advantage is chiefly perceived from the course of the sun and moon; the one is natural, the other applies to civil institutions. 68 Under the term nature, I also comprise agriculture. For although sowing and reaping require human art and industry; this, nevertheless, is natural, that the sun, by its nearer approach, warms our earth, that he introduces the vernal season, that he is the cause of summer and autumn. But that, for the sake of assisting their memory, men number among themselves years and months; that of these, they form lustra and olympiads; that they keep stated days; this I say, is peculiar to civil polity. Of each of these mention is here made. I must, however, in a few words, state the reason why Moses calls them signs; because certain inquisitive persons abuse this passages to give color to their frivolous predictions: I call those men Chaldeans and fanatics, who divine everything from the aspects of the stars.69 Because Moses declares that the sun and moon were appointed for signs, they think themselves entitled to elicit from them anything they please. But confutation is easy: for they are called signs of certain things, not signs to denote whatever is according to our fancy. What indeed does Moses assert to be signified by them, except things belonging to the order of nature? For the same God who here ordains signs testifies by Isaiah that he ‘will dissipate the signs of the diviners,’ (Isaiah 44:25;) and forbids us to be ‘dismayed at the signs of heaven,’ (Jeremiah 10:2.) But since it is manifest that Moses does not depart from the ordinary custom of men, I desist from a longer discussion. The word מועדים (moadim,) which they translate ‘certain times’, is variously understood among the Hebrews: for it signifies both time and place, and also assemblies of persons. The Rabbis commonly explain the passage as referring to their festivals. But I extend it further to mean, in the first place, the opportunities of time, which in French are called saisons, (seasons;) and then all fairs and forensic assemblies.70 Finally, Moses commemorates the unbounded goodness of God in causing the sun and moon not only to enlighten us, but to afford us various other advantages for the daily use of life. It remains that we, purely enjoying the multiplied bounties of God, should learn not to profane such excellent gifts by our preposterous abuse of them. In the meantime, let us admire this wonderful Artificer, who has so beautifully arranged all things above and beneath, that they may respond to each other in most harmonious concert.
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1487  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: John 3:13-18.... Commentary.... John Calvin on: March 20, 2012, 02:26:00 PM
18. He who believeth in him is not condemned. When he so frequently and so earnestly repeats, that all believers are beyond danger of death, we may infer from it the great necessity of firm and assured confidence, that the conscience may not be kept perpetually in a state of trembling and alarm. He again declares that, when we have believed, there is no remaining condemnation, which he will afterwards explain more fully in the Fifth Chapter. The present tense — is not condemned — is here used instead of the future tense — shall not be condemned — according to the custom of the Hebrew language; for he means that believers are safe from the fear of condemnation.

But he who believeth not is condemned already This means that there is no other remedy by which any human being can escape death; or, in other words, that for all who reject the life given to them in Christ, there remains nothing but death, since life consists in nothing else than in faith. The past tense of the verb, is condemned already, (ἤδη κέκριται,) was used by him emphatically, (ἐμφατικῶς,) to express more strongly that all unbelievers are utterly ruined. But it ought to be observed that Christ speaks especially of those whose wickedness shall be displayed in open contempt of the Gospel. For though it is true that there never was any other remedy for escaping death than that men should betake themselves to Christ, yet as Christ here speaks of the preaching of the Gospel, which was to be spread throughout the whole world, he directs his discourse against those who deliberately and maliciously extinguish the light which God had kindled.
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1488  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: John 3:13-18.... Commentary.... John Calvin on: March 20, 2012, 02:17:23 PM
Here is part of an article by David Anders about how Calvin led him to become a catholic.

When I finished seminary, I moved on to Ph.D. studies in Reformation history. My focus was on John Calvin (1509-1564), the French Reformer who made Geneva, Switzerland into a model Protestant city. I chose Calvin not just because of my Presbyterian background, but because most American Protestants have some relationship to him. The English Puritans, the Pilgrim Fathers, Jonathan Edwards and the “Great Awakening” – all drew on Calvin and then strongly influenced American religion. My college and seminary professors portrayed Calvin as a master theologian, our theologian. I thought that if I could master Calvin, I would really know the faith.

Strangely, mastering Calvin didn’t lead me anywhere I expected. To begin with, I decided that I really didn’t like Calvin. I found him proud, judgmental and unyielding. But more importantly, I discovered that Calvin upset my Evangelical view of history. I had always assumed a perfect continuity between the Early Church, the Reformation and my Church. The more I studied Calvin, however, the more foreign he seemed, the less like Protestants today. This, in turn, caused me to question the whole Evangelical storyline: Early Church – Reformation – Evangelical Christianity, with one seamless thread running straight from one to the other. But what if Evangelicals really weren’t faithful to Calvin and the Reformation? The seamless thread breaks. And if it could break once, between the Reformation and today, why not sooner, between the Early Church and the Reformation? Was I really sure the thread had held even that far?



The full article can be read at calledtocommunion.com

Why study John Calvin? Why not study scripture and either disagree with him on a particular doctrine rather than make a broad statement? John Calvin was not the only one who taught reformed theology... but here is a site that has thousands of preachers and teachers over the centuries who have. And in fact arminism was started by a guy who of course disagreed with the apostle and who originally believe there was a real sovereign God.... who was himself a Calvinist. lol http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermonsspeaker.asp go ahead and count the teachers ...lol
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1489  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: The coming of the great Apocalypse on: March 20, 2012, 12:07:25 PM
Now this is interesting. Here we have a kind of personality in the enemies of the Lamb. I mean they look like what comes out of their mouths. This is an ot wisdom motif about thinking Gods thoughts after Him. So these enemies have a king. Now we see a correlation with the description of earthly armies and these doctrines of demons ie the occult and idol worship in their formation of their world view.
Let me say that even the elect could be deceived. We could neglect gospel spirits so to speak out of a wrong application of the ot being revealed in the nt.  I mean you look at how this nt book is written and its what is in heaven that transpires as coming to the earth. We have saints in heaven who are described as doing things on earth to identify their time in coming to heaven. These saints are carrying palm branches. A reference to Christ entering Jerusalem on a donkey. So you have these earthly descriptions to identify the saints at that time who were in heaven. But at the same time this king of the abyss who has armies that go out against the inhabitants of the earth is present as Abbadon and not just Apollyon ot -nt.
So these armies are opposing God through scheming against these doctrines of grace both as a false religion and a world government. What they opposed God with is idols of this world throughout all generations. So they develop false doctrines that stray at some point from the clear teachings of scripture and replace them with the authority of man. Notice what comes out of these armies mouths. Destructive fire.Its the message of their king.

Let me give you the destructive teaching opposing free grace. Now the bible proves that men are under sin not necessarily because of personal evil but because they devise evil in a very complicated way in this world that prevents the clear freedom we are to enjoy as Gods covenant people. This teaching here is what is called man seeks to do his neighbor wrong or its the ways of destruction. Not necessary physical violence but through this network of what is considered moral come the threats as destructive. Now here we are told these are doctrines of their king possibly the Apollyon. Its a suppressive knowledge and its develop as power coming downward to depress the poor and helpless.

The destructive knowledge is focused on meeting the demands from the lowest to the highest. Rather than the biblical motif of power destroying by its strength. This is why there cannot be a system that resembles Gods covenant promises because God must work so that He alone gets the glory. So God must do things that are anti intuitive. God gives men power and puts them on a leash because at some point their power becomes oppressive. God orders the wisdom from heaven to earth to show that He alone is able to overcome the power that the lowly cannot go against. God proves this in His covenant by saying to the lowly what the powerful say in their hearts. They say God is not looking,  let us break their bonds.  So God in describing the real state of mens hearts creates this refuge theology so that there will be protection from these schemes and the power of evil rulers out of His covenant promises. This is the taste here in the Revelation.    
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1490  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: Covenant Theology and Addiction on: March 20, 2012, 11:01:25 AM
We must keep focus on Gods love for us as the cause of every thing that we trust in. Because without love we are worshiping idols. We experience dead ends of all that we seek. So we are to go to God and experience being loved. No one who builds the foundation of their lives on goals, wood hay or stubble will have life in return. Every thought that brings Christ down or makes Christ equal to ....is worshiping an idol. So this is a spirit of the mind.
God has given us His promises as the goal of making us settled in ourselves in this world. He has given us the provisions of this love covenant in declaring that He is faithful by gifting us with all things to enjoy. When we talk about saving grace we are talking about a focus on Gods love that translates into an experience of sovereign grace that brings us close to a faithful God who will not fail us. This is what we call being set apart to God for noble purposes.
So God provides the boundaries of His faithfulness in this covenant that we could never go over the edge of the cliff and fall from it. When we talk about Gods boundaries we are talking about being in a community where there is one refuge. Every one knows God to be faithful and will seek to keep this refuge away from the world in their focus. Because we call on God to hide us in this refuge from our own pain, our own sin, our own straying and all the sorrows that we face. So we are not talking about a legal focus in this world but we are like nurses and doctors who are focused on the gospel so that every situation is approached through active gospel application. We live in a fallen world in which God uses people in supernatural ways to create a refuge from the world so that we might not destroy the sheep.   
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1491  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: The Real Gospel on: March 20, 2012, 10:44:39 AM
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But the biblical teaching of righteousness is that we are declared righteous in a legal sense. We are not intrinsically righteous as Christ. But we are legally able to stand without blame because Christ obtain true righteousness by meeting the requirements of the law.


And now to get back, as I said I would,  Smiley to the last of the above comments you made in your #120 post MBG, I have a couple of questions first.

What "requirements of the law" are you speaking of here?  The Mosaic law God gave to the Jews?

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Ive been saying that in order for justification by faith to be personal we must not try to think of it as a doctrine that is outside our experience of death and corruption. Nor can we think of it as a secondary issue or equal to someones performance. Which is self righteousness. But we must approach all of life through the lens of the gospel of grace.
So its what we do in action as we look back at how we approach people and deal with life that determines what we are trusting in. So its not really making people moral.. or focused on setting the example and giving people something to do .. a word from some kind of study or without the implementation of the gospel to ourselves in all times and in all situations. Some people have strayed from the gospel and have led others along.
But the fundamental idea of wisdom is that justification is really a word of salvation. So the bible describes this word of salvation as being in the refuge of God. So we are really are dealing with a believer in the healing motif.
Some people like to think that pain is the way we become better. That in my opinion is not gospel generated. But there is not substitute for applying the gospel in a personal way to every situation. Its the same thing as being near to Christ or straying from Christ. And we see that Christ is the standard of law keeping. So all of our focus should be in comparison to Christ. But when we place other words of scripture as equal to this redeeming focus we actually begin to spiral down in unbelief. Those who are competent to lead others are settled in the gospel.
The gospel is like a refuge of redemption. Its focused not on sin as if we could attack each sin with some kind of accountability but it focuses on how we are protected in our struggle with sin and our being mournful of its pains and effects we experience of its sorrow. Sin and its effects requires medicine and not self atonement. So we are talking about a kind of hospital stay in our mourning. Because we are to carry each others burdens, encourage each other, protect each other, defend our brothers, and fan the flame of encouragement so that we might not lose heart.
This life of gospel focus cannot be copied or replaced. Every time we fail to address these issues in the current climate of discipleship without first applying the gospel in a personal way we cause others to stray from the goal. This i think is how important justification by faith is in its practical quality of discipleship.    
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1492  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: Reformed Doctrine on: March 18, 2012, 12:18:55 AM
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1493  Forums / Main Forum / Re: strange sounds in the sky on: March 17, 2012, 12:16:48 PM
The trumpets could be a number of things. I think the language of heaven is a language that condescends in old testament language. So we are dealing with language that is used to explain the communication that is going on between the Lamb on the throne and these angels or some of them are cherubim. When you are introduced to the door as the entrance to heaven that means that God is set apart from His creation. Is it a literal door?

Now this is where we can become focused on things that have parallels to instruments in the ot or we can see how these powers are exercised in heaven that that go through these heavenly agencies as the organized response to the events on the earth. In my opinion these beings who are described who are around the throne are the heavenly soldiers who carry out the judgement until the final end.
In other words heaven is described in order for us to see how this succession of powers descends to earth to carry out these judgements.

In my opinion these trumpets could be the 4 living creatures whose voices sound like a trumpet. Because these living creatures act as the principles of how the judgements are carried out. They are the  first to introduce the plan so to speak.. look at the seals. Whether there are the mention of angels being interchangeable with the 4 living creatures i am not sure.

These living creatures are before the throne nite and day crying holy holy holy or Gods holiness is not what He looks like but its His ongoing activity in how He shows Himself through the events that are transpiring. So it possibly could be that holy holy holy is how these cherubim who have divine knowledge that brings about the Lambs will into time. They act in these judgements to produce how the event in its many details to bring about the reality of Christ rule through these events.  Are there trumpets, smoke, sulfur, fire,thunder , earthquakes... in heaven? You have these events that are written down in the blowing of the trumpet in the ot and all of this different historical descriptions of the Apocalypse throughout the history of the earth. So we are talking about drawing real life parallels in real time through these instruments that are described in the Revelation.  Are these representative of the powers that are experience on earth and in the people of the earth. I believe we need to understand the organized response from heaven and how the means are used to bring about the judgements.

Im looking at a succession in the description of these beings going from a personality... not necessarily how they are described in how they look, to what they do in the event. This is more biblical since sin creates in us a kind of personality.  

Ive got a lot of pondering to do and try to get  this whole book memorized. Its the most difficult task ive ever taken up. My mind sometimes feels numb.  
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1494  Forums / Main Forum / Re: Sin vs mistake on: March 16, 2012, 03:32:25 PM
If you think like Kk then your going to question whether God is always pleased with you. If God is not pleased with us when we sin then because we fail so much God is never pleased with us. Ive been asked why do you persist in being unpractical? When are you gonna get to who has the responsibility and who is held accountable? Well... im opposing this kind of process thinking. Because every thing about who we are is what we think at the time we are involved in any endeavor.

People do things that are just wasted for the kingdom because they think outside of what is a legitimate idea. When we think incorrectly then we find anxiety, sorrow and we lose our purpose of glorifying God and enjoying Him. We should know when we are doing something without this one thing we seek. Christ says all things are lawful but we should not be ruled by them.  So we are not preaching a message of avoiding things because they have a potential of controlling us but we live with the freedom to enjoy whatever God has created. We glorify God by enjoying Him forever. God has made all things for His pleasure.

If we are so focused on what is a mistake or what we deserve then we will believe that we are important enough for God to control us in some ways by His checks and balances. lol But God says if i held a sin against my people then who could stand? Why would we want to question Gods goodness and say that He also said this or that?

The truth is that if you are powerful you make up the rules for everyone to live with in a culture. You change the rules to benefit your personal level of success. The poor are left to fend for themselves. What did Jesus say? He said... My yoke is easy and my burden is light. Think of it like this If Jesus is the most high authority on this earth and He takes our daily burdens and carries them Himself then why would it be rite for the rich and powerful to place more burdens on the poor and the oppressed? It would seem to me that a mark of leadership starts with carrying other peoples burdens.

And this is exactly why God says if i held my peoples sins against them then they would be so weighted down they could not stand. But instead He provides the reason that He is the Lamb of God. He is the most able to get under our trials and hold us up. He is the most to listen to us when we are burdened beyond a want to live. He is the most to forgive our debts and grant us gifts. He is the most patient. Because He shows that leading is through example and not through demands.    
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1495  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: Covenant Theology and Addiction on: March 16, 2012, 10:07:50 AM
We must understand that God talks to us through a written letter that has been signed in blood. This letter is an irrevocable promise. In other words God is not waiting in silence for us to promise Him something but He has already spoken as God from all eternity and this letter is His promise to be always loving.. always faithful and always good. He always initiates His promises to us. We are the listeners.

 So there is a covenant disposition of listening. This is opposed by those who are self righteous. Remember this we only have one option. We either hear His words or we follow some kind of rules. Every covenant we inter into has this temptation to abandon Gods spoken promises for our own way. When we go outside of Gods covenant and seek to establish our own way then we treat other covenants as if they were of no consequence.

This is why salvation is a call of God. God calls us through His spoken word. When He calls us we have an irrevocable guarantee that He will perform His promises until the end. Our confidence is not in ourselves but in what God has done on our behalf. Our conviction and our conversion is our word that we will not look to any other thing or person for salvation but we will stand on Gods promise or covenant. We confess His love for us and then we seek to know that love. In keeping this focus we are able to be faithful to our covenants. Because we know that He is upholding His promise to us by proving that His name is worthy to keep us.
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1496  Forums / Main Forum / Re: Sin vs mistake on: March 16, 2012, 08:47:11 AM
cont.... just look a Moses... now he starts off as being the go between in the disputes with the people. And you have this same practice when God wants to destroy the Israelite s for their having idols. But Moses was always interceding for the people. Did Moses have a rite to be angry? Of course. But this is the thing about leadership. It is protecting the elect and trying to develop a kind of refuge even for those who seem to be worse off than the self righteous among the saints. To often we side with the guy with the rules.

I think this is the teaching of why Moses was not able to enter the promise land. He tried to promote a self righteous spirit in getting angry. It wasnt just that he got angry and struck the rock . But this is not righteous anger in the cursing motif. He failed to distinguish between sin as it really is and sin as the marker for self atonement. Because in striking the rock he was in essence saying that there was another way to work to overcome our sin.

Ive always believe that my initial reaction to things was not to be trusted. So ive always held my tongue because most of the time the way things appear in a situation is not always the way God sees it. I believe that our troubles in this life are directly related to our understanding of sin and its awful consequences. If we really believed that sin brought a curse then we would not be as surprised by its effects as if we could do something about it. But we would be more willing to hold off judgement.. let God be God and enjoy sinners knowing that there is no hope but for God to intervene. We would be a lot happier. This is why ive always considered religion made simple the most dangerous to an individual.   
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1497  Forums / Main Forum / Re: Sin vs mistake on: March 16, 2012, 08:28:11 AM
I disagree fuzz. I think God overlooks our sins. He doesnt repay for our sins. If He treated us according to our sins then we would be forever punished. And i do not think its just because God is so holy that all the little sins that we do not see are what He does not repay us for. Some people say that He is talking about atonement for our sins. In other words He atones for our sins but we pay the penalty. But its more than being atoned for. Its being represented. This is where i believe we have a hidden pride to think that we are better because we pay for our sins and we do not approach God as if He was good enough to represent us and speak on our behalf.

People do not like to feel a sense of mystery. They want clear standards and rules so they can measure their success or failure. Now think of this. God gave David a choice between paying for the sin of counting the men or the punishment being put in Gods hands. What did David choose? He had been fellow shipping with God and knew that God would be moved by compassion. So we see that God was moved and relented in the punishment.

In other words God actually was working the good out of the evil. Some people say that God was paying the people back for the kings sin but i do not believe this is the teaching. But we are required to focus on Christ. We are required to be reminded of the covenant of love that God made with us and appeal to God on this basis to not treat us according to our sin. Most people who think they satisfy God by enduring the punishment have not worked out their faith and they do test the goodness of God. And this is why we experience so much dread in this world. We must resist the ways of the world.     
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1498  Forums / Prayer Requests / Re: Help...Again! on: March 15, 2012, 02:23:30 PM
Hang in there ... all of our lives are turned upside down. Things will get better. Praying for you. Get as much assistance as you can. 
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1499  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: Commentary on Genesis - Volume 1 J. Calvin on: March 15, 2012, 01:16:35 PM
11. Let the earth bring forth grass Hitherto the earth was naked and barren, now the Lord fructifies it by his word. For though it was already destined to bring forth fruit,

yet till new virtue proceeded from the mouth of God, it must remain dry and empty.

For neither was it naturally fit to produce anything, nor had it a germinating principle from any other source, till the mouth of the Lord was opened. For what David declares concerning the heavens, ought also to be extended to the earth; that it was

‘made by the word of the Lord, and was adorned and furnished by the breath of his mouth,’ (Psalm 33:6.)

Moreover, it did not happen fortuitously, that herbs and trees were created before the sun and moon. We now see, indeed, that the earth is quickened by the sun to cause it to bring forth its fruits; nor was God ignorant of this law of nature, which he has since ordained:

but in order that we might learn to refer all things to him he did not then make use of the sun or moon.

66 He permits us to perceive the efficacy which he infuses into them, so far as he uses their instrumentality; but because we are wont to regard as part of their nature properties which they derive elsewhere, it was necessary that the vigor which they now seem to impart to the earth should be manifest before they were created. We acknowledge, it is true, in words, that the

First Cause is self-sufficient, and that intermediate and secondary causes have only what they borrow from this First Cause; but, in reality, we picture God to ourselves as poor or imperfect, unless he is assisted by second causes.

How few, indeed, are there who ascend higher than the sun when they treat of the fecundity of the earth? What therefore we declare God to have done designedly, was indispensably necessary; that we may learn from the order of the creation itself,

that God acts through the creatures, not as if he needed external help, but because it was his pleasure.

When he says, ‘Let the earth bring forth the herb which may produce seed, the tree whose seed is in itself,’ he signifies not only that herbs and trees were then created, but that, at the same time, both were endued with the power of propagation, in order that their several species might be perpetuated. Since, therefore, we daily see the earth pouring forth to us such riches from its lap, since we see the herbs producing seed, and this seed received and cherished in the bosom of the earth till it springs forth, and since we see trees shooting from other trees; all this flows from the same Word. If therefore we inquire, how it happens that the earth is fruitful, that the germ is produced from the seed, that fruits come to maturity, and their various kinds are annually reproduced; no other cause will be found, but that God has once spoken, that is, has issued his eternal decree; and that the earth, and all things proceeding from it, yield obedience to the command of God, which they always hear.
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1500  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: OF THE WORK OF THE HOLY GHOST IN OUR SALVATION... Thomas Goodwin on: March 15, 2012, 12:45:17 PM
1. Habitual holiness, and all the principles of holiness. I have shewn afore that they are wholly of his operation, and this our baptism (which is the seal of regeneration, or of the new creature) doth signify in a special manner. The letter of that word BaTi-u imports not simply to wash, or to be washed, but to be dyed also. It is also taken from the dyer's vat, into which what clothes are dipped they carry away in them a new habitual tincture. The Holy Ghost takes a man's heart, and dyes it anew, changeth it. As a cloth goes into the vat of one colour and comes out of it of another, 'so is he who is born of the Spirit:' he goes wholly flesh, comes out spirit in a good degree, 'which two are contrary,' Gal. v.

2. Mortification of sin and to the world is ascribed to the Spirit: Rom. viii. 18, 'For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die ; but if ye, through the Spirit, do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.' It was prophesied by Malachi, Mal. ii. 2, 8, that Christ coming after the Baptist, should • purify the sons of Levi ' by ' fuller's soap, and the refiner's fire.' Now who is that refiner's fire but this Spirit ? as appears by comparing Isa. iv. 4, where he is styled 'the Spirit of burning,' and 'the Spirit of judgment;' the Spirit of burning, consuming and purging out our dross and filth; and there also is the prophecy of Christ's coming to 'baptize with the Holy Ghost and with fire,' as the Baptist expounded it; the Holy Ghost, as it is spoken, partly because what remaining filth his baptism of water had not cleansed out, Christ's Spirit, as fire, should do it; for, Num. xxxi. 28, the fire is made a stronger purifier than water ; and even of the Baptist himself and his ministry

 (the Spirit of God accompanying it), it was foretold by Isaiah, chap. xl., that the glory and beauty of the whole creation should be blasted, and caused to fade and wither, as flowers of the grass are by a wind, in and to new converts' hearts, and deading their souls, being deadened unto it, when the voice of the crier should come and preach repentance to the people, and the glory of the Lord (Christ, namely) should be revealed.

The grass withered, and the flower faded (ver. 7) in such men's hearts as were savingly wrought upon by his voice and cry. And how came this to pass? It is added, ' The Spirit of the Lord hath blown upon it.' And the apostle Peter expounding this prophecy, says, That all believers wrought upon by his and the apostle's ministry, had ' purified their souls,' 1 Peter i. 22, by the preaching of the gospel, and then referreth us unto this very place in Isaiah, 'Being born again ;' ver. 28, 'For all flesh is as grass, and the glory thereof as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away; but the word of the Lord endureth for ever; and this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you, ver. 24 and 25.


Now this is interesting. The work of the word and Spirit. The word is purified seven times.  This purity is the revealing of the Father. Christ who is the eternal word of God is the revelation of God of which Christ was sent by the Father to reveal the Father. If you have seen Christ you have seen the Father.
This is the godhead making residence in the believer. We are the temple of God. All  the work done in us is through word and Spirit. So we pronounce the word because it is the reality of renewal.  Our desires are formed by the created word. This creates in us a vision of the love and faithfulness of God. The word becomes more valuable than gold or silver because it is the fundamental driving force of our security in Gods covenant promises and His ongoing love for us. In this way we fellowship with a Father who creates us a new by His word triumphing over all opposition. mbG

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