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2433  Members Only / Purgatory / Re: Taking Heaven By Force on: June 02, 2011, 11:16:06 AM The system of checks and balances in the American free enterprise has been turned upside down. This is why in order for justice to be served those who took the risk prior to the taking the action of printing more dollars ... must fall on their own swords. The only other place to get the money to replace their stocks.. insurance portfolio...and the interest on the debt is to take it from the private savings of the citizens of this country. They create a legal way to steal from the citizens of this country. But their investments have always come with a warning of risk. So the people with the money refuse to fall on their own swords. Now there is no value in all of the work done by people who have saved over the years. Not only have the citizens been raped by the rich but they have faced a dwindling free market opportunity. Not only have we lost the potentials for personal wealth but we also have to face the losses incurred by inflation. The old system of penalties no longer is fair. The average ticket given to drivers is about a hundred dollars. This is a weeks wage for most of the part time middle class people who have lost their full time jobs. So we are creating more of a crisis by placing the burdens downward. This is the definition of evil. In relation to the private sins of people this is magnified ten times in comparison. And yet we still hear the same general applications in the christian community that we did under the old system of checks and balances. But the wise application is to compare the biblical world view with the facts! Ive been cursing for 20 yrs. My favorite psalm is the kings psalm. Ive been seeing this situation for quite a long time. I know what unfairness is. Ive protected to the best of my ability the rites of the innocent. You can see all of the non profit work that has been done. I desired to help people grow in a patriarchal society and protected the young minds from the evolution theories.    I thrive in chaos because i pray for chaos. World chaos is their own view being implemented to destroy their fellow man. I do not create chaos but peace. First because i take refuge in God. So i experience the eternal family so that i know what it is like when i see it. God causes all of these things to come to a chaotic ending. Because God must be God. My desires of chaos come from personal struggles with this evil system. I do not engage my self in personal revenge but i have learned that God defines the problem... His salvation is through His revenge... and that I am strengthened when i experience His saving effects. God does not work in wishes... or in human strength but God makes reality. No one can escape Gods wrath NO ONE.  We create the world in our depending on God. The greater understanding we have of taking our refuge in God the more we are ready for a world gone mad. I did not get surprised by these current events. I was fully engaged all along to understand Gods retributive abilities. Our prayers are cries on our own behalf.Gods communication is to change us in His time through reality. We know our times because we know God. We understanding what is coming because we know God will not remain silent. He hears the cries in the streets.    Remove Reply Quote Notify

2434  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: Mind Renewal Through Transparency : The Psychology of Life on: June 01, 2011, 02:04:05 PM The natural mans mind has pathways that have been created in his brain that are stigmas. All men think in words they use in their communication. There are important words that create a path way that brings them into a focus about themselves. The most simplistic ideas are in the practical mechanics of application. These are the obsessive compulsive stigmas in the pathways of the brain of the natural man. These natural pathways of the brain are created by the ideas a man has about his own image. I believe that there is a new ability in a regenerate man to view himself by a standard that is outside himself that creates the circumstances that enliven his brain. The natural brain is limited to a philosophy of his own image. This is why a regenerate man has new pathways that give him a multitude of angles to view life from many different sources as his perspective in understanding a wide variety of spiritual applications. The spiritual mind has the reflection from the original thought. But the natural man has buzz words that create obsessive pathways that stigmatize the brain to circular thinking. A natural mind is a mind controlled by the rigid mechanics of practical instruction. These path ways are the soil for a neurotic response in resisting the original idea.     Remove Reply Quote Notify

2435  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: Mind Renewal Through Transparency : The Psychology of Life on: May 31, 2011, 02:45:49 PM We do not fight this war in our own physical resources. A spiritual man knows how to fight in the spiritual realm. This is very important for success. A spiritual man knows how to hit the mark. He does not shadow box. Shadow boxing's is for the light weight theologians. Those who use doctrine as a kind of display and not a means to an end. We do not have these spiritual weapons to parade before men. We have these weapons to communicate to men that is not going to be business as usual.  lol The christian man knows what the schemes are. A christian sees the layers of evil. He is a man who can get to the heart of the problem. But its not through fleshly means. Its not through outward show. I always tell people that a christian just lets them do what they do and that is enough to advance. The christian is a man who acts as the most motivated for whatever the united cause is in order to advance in his praying resistance. The christian man stands in victory and gaining the spoils before he actually advances to take them. Because the christian man has a God who cannot fail. There is a third dimension that the two dimension world will only look and say ... what ?The christian man is mysteriously dangerous. He has communications that reveal things. He has understanding that no one could comprehend when there are events. The christian man looks through the eyes of faith. He looks beyond generations and sees how these things have degenerated to where they are at now. In some ways a christian man can experience what three generations past experienced with the world was in its rite mind. A christian man can time travel in truth. A christian man appears to be just like other men but this is not the world that he lives in. We live in a world that is more detailed.. we experience things on a level that is more profound. We communicate from our hearts as if all other communications in this world were incorporated into a kind of image of a foreign space capsule who has landed on earth. The christian man is a sojourner. He experiences reality as if the world was in order. This is why we have this life of God in the secret places. Because we are able to align ourselves with the universe of real timeless experiences. We find in the real world ... real personal effects in a united effort to obtain real peace and joy. We bring the heart of joy to a world that is turned into ravaging wolves. When we are filled with the power from on high we do not feel the effects of the disease that the world is in. We are connected to a God who has everything under His control and we obtain these good things for the asking. We know the source of life.   Remove Reply Quote Notify

2436  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: Mind Renewal Through Transparency : The Psychology of Life on: May 31, 2011, 12:50:22 PM Let me go over some ideas of personal salvation. First a righteous man is one who calls on the name of the Lord. Now ive heard that Israel had a war priest. Possibly a priest that argued in the presence of the soldiers before they went into war that God would intervene and destroy the enemy. If you look this is like an outline of their teaching. It is a love for God who is Israels strength. It is a call to battle. Anytime you see the expression in scripture of asking God to "arise" it is a call for God to destroy their enemies. Arise is God intervening to address the coming argument of the priest as the motif for the confidence that war is needed and God is going to render the enemy powerless. This is like the idea that God has His heavenly armies and they are the watchmen that protect the city of Zion from all threats of the nations entering in climbing over the walls of the city. Or advancing through the gates. But you have this parallel to the teaching of obedience and trusting in God who is to be called on in the day of battle. Those who trust in God will gain the victory. This is the motif of obedience. Its a life of winning the small battles as God defines them. Then we get bigger battles. In the end the Lord will come and avenge our cause . But until then we are promised to be protected by His intervention in His time as we call on Him. This is the ot idea of an obedient life. The Lord is mighty to save. He saves in the day of temptation. Satan advances in this world to over throw Gods decrees. If you look the devil appeared when Christ was born and throughout the life of Christ the devil presented himself personally to Christ to try to thwart His purposes to over throw the evils and the threats of violence that filled the streets. We have in the coming of Christ the King taking the spoils and ruling His kingdom through our contesting on this earth and winning small battles ...then He will use our continuous resistance to finally cast Satan into eternal torment. We are to be valiant and heroic not enjoying this earth like it is ... even tho the spoils of war come to us when we are standing on top of the neck of our enemies. Seek first His kingdom... His victory and all these spoils will be added to you. The biblical world view is not two sided but its Gods smile behind our seeming loses only to in the end return our wealth if we do not give up. Now Christ is said to come as a great warrior in the sky. He has His chariots and He has His horses. A most glorious site to see. He has all of His angels who are the most fierce war machine that any one could imagine. The saint in one who goes out to battle and he gets entangled in the fight so that he is close to being overcome and is endanger of the fatal head shot of the enemy. Then Christ appears in the sky. The battle is won... Christ destroys the enemy and gathers His sheep. Christ actually comes because He has His focus on saving us. He is a God of salvation! He reaches down and then He gives us rewards. He declares us victors and tells us how obedient we are. He not only gives us the victory but He gives us boldness that is supernatural. We stand before His war tribunal and we receive a recommendation of advancement as a reward. Not only does He get all the praise but He stands at His throne and tells the whole world that we have been faithful and that He is rewarding us for our faithfulness. Do you know what the most beautiful trait we possess? Humility! He rewards us for our war victory and our calling on Him to intervene! But then He fills us with a strength that we do not experience in our own powerful victory.  Now listen to me... our strength is not depended upon our moral excellence! Our strength is a foreign strength. Listen... we go from strength to strength! In other words its not in our ability but its in our understanding as spiritual warriors. Its our taking up the armor of God and fighting in our lives! Its looking at our Lord as the commander and we win battles along the way. Its acknowledging God to be God! This is terribly personal. We are not defined by our family.. our job... our position in this world. We are defined in God gaining victory in our battles as we go along the way. This is going from strength to strength. Every day we have the commander calling on us. He tells us to get our minds in gear for battle. When we look at life as a daily battle cry then we begin to let the word of Christ dwell in us richly. We begin to get practical. The imaginations in our minds is that we are products of the institutions of this world. This is the so called game mentality. We think heros are athletic. Any one who plays games gets the earthly spoils. But Gods world has no games. Gods world is dangerous... ruthless in defending us... destructive to evil... and piercing men through with their own traps. Serious minded men experience the power of God over their whole bodies. The practical christian life is not trading a good change for a better life. Its not graduating into a group of obedient saints... its not gaining better relationships through tactics of speech... or giving gifts or taking care of our bodies. The christian man is life is being. A christian man lives as who he is. He just is. The christian man only trust in the experience. He is who he always is no matter what the other definition of is.. is. The christian man is because reality is what a christian man is being . Who told you that you were naked? Now listen when we call on God and wait in expectation then we find we are in a battle. When we continue to engage ourselves in our battles.. .resisting the devil then we are filled with power. This power is His training our hands and our feet to advance against our enemies. When we focus on the victory.. that is we look and will not stop until we walk over our enemies as God defines them then we begin to have this life where we experience supernatural power that comes on us in the maturing of our understanding. This is our desire for heavenly things. Its God training our bodies through the experience of His power! This is transparency. Remove Reply Quote Notify

2437  Members Only / Purgatory / Re: Taking Heaven By Force on: May 31, 2011, 12:40:19 PM Let me go over some ideas of personal salvation. First a righteous man is one who calls on the name of the Lord. Now ive heard that Israel had a war priest. Possibly a priest that argued in the presence of the soldiers before they went into war that God would intervene and destroy the enemy. If you look this is like an outline of their teaching. It is a love for God who is Israels strength. It is a call to battle. Anytime you see the expression in scripture of asking God to arise it is a call for God to destroy their enemies. Arise is God intervening to address the coming argument of the priest as the motif for the confidence that war is needed and God is going to render the enemy powerless. This is like the idea that God has His heavenly armies and they are the watchmen that protect the city of Zion from all threats of the nations entering in climbing over the walls of the city. Or advancing through the gates. But you have this parallel to the teaching of obedience and trusting in God who is to be called on in the day of battle. Those who trust in God will gain the victory. This is the motif of obedience. Its a life of winning the small battles as God defines them. Then we get bigger battles. In the end the Lord will come and avenge our cause . But until then we are promised to be protected by His intervention in His time as we call on Him. This is the ot idea of an obedient life. The Lord is mighty to save. He saves in the day of temptation. Satan advances in this world to over throw Gods decrees. If you look the devil appeared when Christ was born and throughout the life of Christ the devil presented himself personally to Christ to try to thwart His purposes to over throw the evils and the threats of violence that filled the streets. We have in the coming of Christ the King taking the spoils and ruling His kingdom through our contesting on this earth and winning small battles ...then He will use our continuous resistance to finally cast Satan into eternal torment. We are to be valiant and heroic not enjoying this earth like it is ... even tho the spoils of war come to us when we are standing on top of the neck of our enemies. Seek first His kingdom... His victory and all these spoils will be added to you. The biblical world view is not two sided but its Gods smile behind our seeming loses only to in the end return our wealth if we do not give up. Now Christ is said to come as a great warrior in the sky. He has His chariots and He has His horses. A most glorious site to see. He has all of His angels who are the most fierce war machine that any one could imagine. The saint in one who goes out to battle and he gets entangled in the fight so that he is close to being overcome and is endanger of the fatal head shot of the enemy. Then Christ appears in the sky. The battle is won... Christ destroys the enemy and gathers His sheep. Christ actually comes because He has His focus on saving us. He is a God of salvation! He reaches down and then He gives us rewards. He declares us victors and tells us how obedient we are. He not only gives us the victory but He gives us boldness that is supernatural. We stand before His war tribunal and we receive a recommendation of advancement as a reward. Not only does He get all the praise but He stands at His throne and tells the whole world that we have been faithful and that He is rewarding us for our faithfulness. Do you know what the most beautiful trait we possess? Humility! He rewards us for our war victory and our calling on Him to intervene! But then He fills us with a strength that we do not experience in our own powerful victory.  Now listen to me... our strength is not depended upon our moral excellence! Our strength is a foreign strength. Listen... we go from strength to strength! In other words its not in our ability but its in our understanding as spiritual warriors. Its our taking up the armor of God and fighting in our lives! Its looking at our Lord as the commander and we win battles along the way. Its acknowledging God to be God! This is terribly personal. We are not defined by our family.. our job... our position in this world. We are defined in God gaining victory in our battles as we go along the way. This is going from strength to strength. Every day we have the commander calling on us. He tells us to get our minds in gear for battle. When we look at life as a daily battle cry then we begin to let the word of Christ dwell in us richly. We begin to get practical. The imaginations in our minds is that we are products of the institutions of this world. This is the so called game mentality. We think heros are athletic. Any one who plays games gets the earthly spoils. But Gods world has no games. Gods world is dangerous... ruthless in defending us... destructive to evil... and piercing men through with their own traps. Serious minded men experience the power of God over their whole bodies. The practical christian life is not trading a good change for a better life. Its not graduating into a group of obedient saints... its not gaining better relationships through tactics of speech... or giving gifts or taking care of our bodies. The christian man is life is being. A christian man lives as who he is. He just is. The christian man only trust in the experience. He is who he always is no matter what the other definition of is.. is. The christian man is because reality is what a christian man is being . Who told you that you were naked? Now listen when we call on God and wait in expectation then we find we are in a battle. When we continue to engage ourselves in our battles.. .resisting the devil then we are filled with power. This power is His training our hands and our feet to advance against our enemies. When we focus on the victory.. that is we look and will not stop until we walk over our enemies as God defines them then we begin to have this life where we experience supernatural power that comes on us in the maturing of our understanding. This is our desire for heavenly things. Its God training our bodies through the experience of His power!    Remove Reply Quote Notify

2438  Members Only / Purgatory / Re: Taking Heaven By Force on: May 31, 2011, 11:25:06 AM Youve got to understand when the world is upside down there is no foundation to draw your strength from. Your life is lived in private threats and chaos. A lot of people do not feel comfortable in living with constant pressure that are hard to hide from or avoid. This is why the christian world view cannot be distinguished between meeting needs and the personal spiritual salvation through the renewal process. We are not fighting checks and balances but we are fighting against a system who has old morays of good in a society that used to protect the rites of the individual in a patriarchal sense but now insults the the character of real authority structures so that we see the threats of violence that fills the streets. We are living in a time in which we do not have a consensus as a way of life. When everyone does what is rite in his own eyes then its hard to distinguish who is threatening and who is sincere. This is terribly cathartic I hope. Now then we live with threats on every side. Mens hearts are failing them because of the adversity of a society that has unraveled in its basic respect for life as it goes out into community from our homes and it spreads unto all the earth. All of authority is gifted to us by God and is not the product of a man centered world view. This is why we must start with the way we think as the motif for our meeting needs and protecting the sanctity of our own way of life. We must understand when we are being disrespected. We must consider ourselves as precious souls. This is not a world unraveling in the kingdom of God but He is to be fully trusted as working out our lives for the good! So we must not think that God is like us. We must not think that the institutions in this country are the same as they used to be. Evil is not just watching violent people take it out on their fellow man. But evil is in an effort to do good or profit at the expense of another man. Evil is a focus on the bottom in an effort to profit at the top. The bible is a book that demands a man to treat his neighbor as himself in order to create a unified respect. Greed is like murder because it creates a society that is purely functional as the parts of a machine. It views men in a purely mechanical way. This is why we become like our world in a lot of ways. If we do not resist then we will lose personal freedoms. God says a man will love his neighbor as he loves himself. This love is built on the foundation of patriarchal institutions. The most exposure to threats are the most vulnerable to the dictates of a socialistic structure of the world. This means that love is expressed by hate as a serious minded expression of the experience of disrespect toward the family. Men must be as wise as serpents and as harmless as doves. God sent Moses in the presence of an evil ruler for the purpose of warning them of the coming plagues if they did not let the poor go. Moses displayed bravery in confronting evil rulers and was as harmless in warning them what would happen. We must not become confused about the lines the bible draws in how we are created. God respects the institutions and will respond to these threats.       Remove Reply Quote Notify

2439  Members Only / Purgatory / Re: Taking Heaven By Force on: May 31, 2011, 11:03:09 AM Quote from: poppy on May 24, 2011, 10:11:18 PM thanks tom Your welcome my friend. Always nice to be going in the same direction. God bless you poppy. Remove Reply Quote Notify

2440  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: Dietrich Bonhoeffer.... by Dallas M. Roark on: May 29, 2011, 03:53:13 PM ETHICAL ISSUES In application Bonhoeffer considers certain issues in the framework of natural rights. The first is bodily life which is innate; that is, we exist without a choice or will. Since there is life, and since at death all rights cease, the conclusion is reached that natural life should be free of "intentional injury, violation and killing."27 Because bodiliness is an end in itself, bodily joys can be justified; but being also a means, the body must not be content with pleasures alone. In this section Bonhoeffer declares that because man’s life exists, he has a natural right to live. No one then has the right to take life arbitrarily. Euthanasia is morally wrong because it involves the arbitrary killing of innocent life. On the other hand, war is defended by Bonhoeffer because it is not arbitrary killing. War is more complex, because the soldier may be personally innocent but collectively guilty in a military attack upon a country. Bonhoeffer argues for these and other positions below on the basis of a natural-life motif intermingled with Scripture proof. One might question why both are used. Why not divine revelation alone? Or, natural law alone? Both are used because he holds that God stands back of the natural and gives it meaning, while at the same time revelation is necessary for a precise understanding of God’s will. He is weaker in dealing with suicide. Man differs from other creatures in that he can freely take his life. In suicide he attempts "to give a final human meaning to a life which has become humanly meaningless." 28 Bonhoeffer’s ground for declaring it wrong is not so much natural law as the fact of incurring God’s judgment of guilt. Suicide shows a lack of faith in God and in life’s possibilities. Leading up to the issues of birth control and abortion he declares that marriage is a natural right of man rather than a religious or civil institution. It existed from the beginning of man before the development of these institutions. Marriage naturally includes the right of life to come into being. When conception has taken place, an abortive act is simply murder.29 Likewise birth control practiced perpetually as excluding life is a serious violation of man’s natural existence. Bonhoeffer hedges on sterilization when either intense passion is involved or disease, in which cases it might be medically necessary. The last issue is bodily freedom which prohibits rape, slavery, and torture. Bonhoeffer began a section on the natural rights of the life of the mind, but this was left unfinished. A note left something of the outline to be followed which included a section on culture. It is regretted that we are bereft of this material. Remove Reply Quote Notify

2441  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: The Guide for the Perplexed by Moses Maimonides on: May 29, 2011, 02:30:54 PM Further observe the passage, "And the eyes of both were opened, and they knew they were naked" (Gen. iii. 7): it is not said, "And the eyes of both were opened, and they saw"; for what the man had seen previously and what he saw after this circumstance was precisely the same: there had been no blindness which was now removed, but he received a new faculty whereby he found things wrong which previously he had not regarded as wrong. Besides, you must know that the Hebrew word pakaḥ used in this passage is exclusively employed in the figurative sense of receiving new sources of knowledge, not in that of regaining the sense of sight. Comp., "God opened her eyes" (Gen. xxi. 19). "Then shall the eyes of the blind be opened" (Isaiah xxxviii. . "Open ears, he heareth not" (ibid. Xlii. 20), similar in sense to the verse, "Which have eyes to see, and see not" (Ezek. xii. 2). When, however, Scripture says of Adam, "He changed his face (panav) and thou sentest him forth" Job xiv. 20), it must be understood in the following way: On account of the change of his original aim he was sent away. For panim, the Hebrew equivalent of face, is derived from the verb panah, "he turned," and signifies also "aim," because man generally turns his face towards the thing he desires. In accordance with this interpretation, our text suggests that Adam, as he altered his intention and directed his thoughts to the acquisition of what he was forbidden, he was banished from Paradise: this was his punishment; it was measure for measure. At first he had the privilege of tasting pleasure and happiness, and of enjoying repose and security; but as his appetites grew stronger, and he followed his desires and impulses, (as we have already stated above), and partook of the food he was forbidden to taste, he was deprived of everything, was doomed to subsist on the meanest kind of food, such as he never tasted before, and this even only after exertion and labour, as it is said, "Thorns and thistles shall grow up for thee" (Gen. iii. 18), Hebrew wisdom... distinct from the fear of God.... Gods glass of wine that He pours out... like judgement and the wicked drink it down to its very dregs... a reference to God bringing good and calamity at the same time. Which in covenant is alluding to God s smile behind all our griefs. "By the sweat of thy brow," etc., and in explanation of this the text continues, "And the Lord God drove him from the Garden of Eden, to till the ground whence he was taken." He was now with respect to food and many other requirements brought to the level of the lower animals: comp., "Thou shalt eat the grass of the field" (Gen. iii. 18). Reflecting on his condition, the Psalmist says, "Adam unable to dwell in dignity, was brought to the level of the dumb beast" (Ps. xlix. 13)." May the Almighty be praised, whose design and wisdom cannot be fathomed." Remove Reply Quote Notify

2442  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: The major error of Maimonides on: May 29, 2011, 02:25:09 PM I understand what you are saying. But the Trinity is not actually taught in the OT. Its not a biblical word. It was a word that came from the church counsels in the Reformation to counter false teachings that had arisen about the Trinity when the doctrine was being made clear through the gifts of NT teachers. Most reformed scholars will say that the early words used of God are not pointing to the three persons but to God who does not have a form. The eternal God. Although we know from the NT and we look back we can see that all of scripture is Trinitarian. Through types and through the activity of the three persons in the OT. Reply Quote Notify

2443  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: The Guide for the Perplexed by Moses Maimonides on: May 29, 2011, 01:03:10 PM Youve got to look at the tea leaves. The america we know will never be returned to the people. Some people are putting their hopes in a change in government. But even if we got a 30 percent Republican turn around it still doesnt add up to a fundamental change in the way things are going.Look at Europe and their steady erosion of a patriarchal society. Their country is not even what it used to be. They got long lines for treatment. If your old its not very bright. Their churches are empty. The culture is changing more and more into a dehumanizing socialism. Gas prices are almost in double digits. This is where the reformation begin. It spread the the United States but we are not far behind them in finding this kind of dehumanizing experience. I believe we are in the same time as Israel was when Christ came to their culture. There was dead orthodoxy. The Jewish nation was being judged. The worship was oppressive. And God was turning from the Jews to the Gentiles. The reason was they actually were a godless nation. So they experienced rejection! Why? Because they claimed they were the chosen nation but if you looked at what they were doing to the people and what kind of oppressive ruling was practiced its like us saying .. the gentiles are favored by God but if they look at what we are doing as a nation then its hard for them to put the pieces together to actually believe we have the oracles. There are no more distinction in the church but each person has been put into a different culture... not to extinguish his cultural enjoyments but as distinct people to love unfeigned. The Grecian Jews were not told to assimilate into the culture of the church and get over their being overlooked in the daily distribution of the food but they complained and rightly so. We got to stop putting our heads in the sand. This is not really a time to sing whiny songs of the reformation times and wish our brothers god speed. lol. Bring back the Psalter.  We are seeing the forces of this nation dissembling the personal wealth of church members as was in the time of Christ. We have the old guard who do not have children who are put out on the streets.. who work three jobs... who are treated like ping pong balls in the disintegration of the family. Listen we are in a fight for our lives rite now. We dont need whinny people we need warriors. We need to protect our own and band together. Isnt this what Jesus said to the religious elites of His day? The most profound statement of the nt was when Peter had acted in a denial of Christ ... what did Christ say to Peter as an encouragement to look to the future? He told Peter to take care of the sheep. We got to get over this hope in the political change. Its not going to happen. I dont want people to hope in the next election and then have their hopes dashed. Israel is still a nation. They are our allies for a reason. Just because God instituted the church does not mean that He eliminated cultures. God promised in an eternal covenant the land for His people. Although i do not believe the land is old covenant members only. But its adopted members also. But now us gentiles are saying ... we are Gods special people ... we have the oracles given to us. Put yourself in their shoes. They are looking at our claims and thinking wow. For yrs they have experienced being under constant threat from their own offspring. They basically are fighting against the modern day Philistines. They feel a deep rejection out of a sense of hopelessness that God will not return and redeem them as a people. I understand that feeling. I see their pain.  Their nation is not threatening the world with revenge. They just want to live in peace. They are always under constant attacks in their age old wars with the descendents of Ham. If God completely turned away from His people do you think there would still be this corner of the earth fighting these ancient battles? Dont put your head under in the sand. The focus of world powers is changing. And unless there is another nation that is formed then we may be in the last days. The bible in the reformed view is silent as to what is going to happen to Israel. But God does not back out of His covenants. In some ways they are more in tune to about the spiritual realities than we are in the nation. The Messianic Jews have something to bring to the table.         Remove Reply Quote Notify

2444  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: The Guide for the Perplexed by Moses Maimonides on: May 29, 2011, 11:42:01 AM Quote from: earnestt on May 29, 2011, 11:22:18 AM Quote I love David and have developed a love for Israel as well. Sometimes i do not feel like a gentile. I was reading this book yesterday and wanted to share it here. But its buttressing the ot wisdom teachings and at the same time helping me understand this mentality in a more detailed way. Now that faith has arrived, we no longer need the guide [the law]. You all are legally adopted [Greek/gentile law technical term] by God on account of your faith in the Anointed one Jesus. All who were baptized into the Anointed One have clothed yourselves with the Anointing. There is no such thing as Jew or Greek/gentile, slave or free, male or female:  you are one person in the Anointing of Jesus. And since you belong to the Anointed One, then you are Abraham's "descendant", and heirs of the promises God gave to him. You are adopted by God. God sent the spirit of adoption into your hearts, so that you would call out loudly, "Dad, Father!" You are legally adopted and since you are legally adopted, then by God's act, you are an heir. {Galatians 3:25-29; 4:6-7} According to Paul above, it appears you are technically a child of Abraham, not a gentile. When a seed is planted, the like [plant] grows and produces even more of the same. God planted a Seed to reap Sons. God bless you, a Son of God... In Christ, earnestt Yes i agree... if i fight a good fight as a soldier for Jesus then i am in the line of the covenant God gave to David.Although the covenant was fulfilled in Christ yet we still need to fight until all things are actually put on His feet. Christ said if they hated me they will hate you also. So now we can all be Davids and take the territory that is rite-fully ours. We do not fight with physical weapons but we have spiritual weapons. We also have our prayers to release the captives that have been enslaved by the false standards of this culture. We are in a war that must be fought with the spiritual forces in the heaven-lies. Just like David who was Gods warrior advanced against the enemy with forces that outnumbered Israel so we advance as powerless soldiers whos victory is in the hands of the Lord. But we are promised that we will destroy all of our enemies because we are the descendents of David. We cannot resist in our own power. We fight powers on this earth that are too strong for us. If David was reigning in Israel now and he was threatened even the forces of the United States could not defeat Israel.Because God is not a clock watcher but He determines the outcome of the fight. God promised David that if He fought and gave God all of the glory that God would defeat all of his enemies. This promise is to David and his descendents forever. Its an eternal covenant for Gods people.  God says that He burns the shields and swords. His holy fire cannot be extinguished. He has armies of angels that cannot be numbered. They are encircled around the throne that goes out into eternity. These angels are Gods messengers who do the will of God. They fight the demonic forces and the government powers who oppress the people of God. Our prayers for salvation are the advancement of Gods kingdom on this earth and these prayers are the prayers that availeth much. When we advance against the forces of evil then we enjoy real peace. We cannot create utopia in our own power. Social engineering has only led to a gross injustice to the poor and created a class of the rich and powerful. But God is still on His throne. He will turn the earth upside down to protect his weak ones. Our faith is in a God who rules from the heavens and will bring eternal punishment to those who do not kiss the Son. He promises to thwart the evils of the powerful and to stop wars. God will not be mocked. We do not fight against men. But the pride is in the system that men  create.... the environment of arrogant men who shake their fist in Gods face. If we are Gods children then we are heirs of Christ and co heirs of all that He obtained at the cross. Lets be encouraged to fight in the line of David with the spiritual weapons that will bring the King! Remove Reply Quote Notify

2445	Forums / Theology Forum / Re: Mind Renewal Through Transparency : The Psychology of Life	on: May 29, 2011, 09:56:45 AM
Modern day addiction mentality is a kind of evil personality. Its based upon the experience of conflict and not the transformation of the mind. Its like walking through a jungle of thorns and getting pierced through as the price for experiencing the evils of addiction. Its focused on the human suffering. This is not a bad thing but there are distinctions in healing in their application that cannot be applied in one mindset of the application. Process thinking works both ways. If i say you could carry a 10 pound weight as a necessary evil in the dulling of the senses and then through the process of healing you needed to increase that weight to 30 pounds then all i am doing is teaching you to carry a heavier load. I do not think it changes the original personality but it gives a person a sense of accomplishment. lol... its like telling you... youve worked above what you were asked to do so we give you a card of appreciation ... not more money... lol. The wages are small and the demands are great. I guess if you taught this mentality to a generation then they would be easier to enslave. Especially if you buttressed it with legal threats.  The bible is not a book that teaches process. Its a book that teaches identity and transformation through the truths that are contained. The bible not only changes the personality of the addiction but it changes the community in its unified healthy outlook. The bible is a book that offers a totally different answer than the culture is giving. Its personality is in the realism of the supernatural. So the evil personality is the natural personality. When we say salvation is in God alone we mean that God provides the solution as the cause of the change in distinct opposition to human wisdom.(the perfect expression of real anger) God gives no truth claims to men. If we say the answer is too simple then we are offering a healing that is based on trust. This is why men who practice an outward sin are doing it from causes that no man can understand. No man can see the body of this spiritual personality. But we have a way of expressing truth in the identity of the kind of personality. There are connections in the evil intentions that create a kind of wall of separation to the expression in the physical realm. This is an insurmountable wall to over come in getting to the inner problem in light of the evil expression of the invisible personality. Only God can remove the barriers. A man who is in his rite mind is one who experiences peace in this invisible realm. Because the christian message is a message that starts with its promise to dull the pain.. to lift the burden and to give an environment of comfort through Gods power in word form. The evil personality is the natural personality that will endure the evil effects by trading work for health.  This is almost the same personality as the addiction itself. The bible does not promise a path to health but it provides the soil of health as the path to healing. It brings a man to find all of his time and experience in one object. It teaches exclusiveness as the path way to inner peace. It offers a life as if a man was all alone on a dessert island and was happy because the man had a companion as compared to another man who was in the middle of a big city but had no connection to real love.. .real redemption ... real defense... but was surrounded by hundreds of people. This transforming event is in self knowledge through divine wisdom. It is in the most simple transactions of free ability for no work. This is the personality of the divine. This is the transparency of healing.       2450  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: TT.UU.LL.II.PP.s still bloom on: May 28, 2011, 09:32:01 AM God decrees whatsoever comes to pass. But we are not consistent or have the capacity to create future reality in this ordered way. First because we do not have the wisdom or the knowledge to claim that is all you need to do is look at us and you will see these attributes perfect in visibly. Gods will goes out to the ends of the earth and returns to Him to bring Him glory. God does not separate the doing from the conceiving. God is and there is no other. This is why He orders all things for His purposes to bring Himself glory so that we receive the benefits of His beauty and pleasure as His special vessels of mercy. God sees us from the beginning to the end in light of His wisdom and knowledge that comes to us in this life through a very ordered and reliable working in these beings that He created. God has His heavenly ambassadors. He orders the very particles that float in the universe to produce the amount of beauty at the specific time for our pleasure and His glory. Every event in the history of our lives  has a purpose and it is the original creation of God in His recreating through His providence. We hope in His word. His word is the ongoing reality in our lives. Gods has His means that have their causes in the created word. God is a God of drama. He gives men visual reminders in order to distinguish His elect from the rebellious and unmerciful. Every thing that God works in our lives turns out to be for our own good and for His glory. Even the disasters and our own sins and weaknesses. This is our experience of the otherness of God. He cannot be fathomed. But His word can be trusted. Because His word is the only means by which He has chosen to prop up our faith on a daily basis. He promises what He does and we are only able by what He gives us. This is the faith that we possess. We possess a faith in the reality of the object of our faith. So we have a faith that cannot fail. It may be a very small faith but it is rewarded on the basis that Christ obtain real trust in His incarnation. Our trust is focused on the grace that will be revealed to us. So we have a promise of reward and not the carrot kind. This promise is come through the heavens in the Word made flesh. The ot word of prophecy on the basis of decreeing the events in time is the cause of our hope in the Word of incarnation.  They looked forward to the final salvation and we look back with a confidence of the final victory as our means of eternal rewards. Our experience is realized in this world in a better way. But the rewards are fully given to us in heaven. We are vessels who carry this gospel message to our fellow man. The way we do this is we are given a certain authority in this life through His created word. His created word to us was creating us with a purpose from the beginning to the end of our lives.  He gave us this message of reconciliation that comes through the power of the gospel.  This gospel is promised to give us an ability to look at this world in a supernatural way. We are given these creation desires. The only other view is becoming a beast or a monkey. lol We create reality by the use of His word. We live by faith not by sight. So we see these spiritual things as we think in the light of His word. We look beyond the culture... the original reason.. the practice of men... the philosophies of this world... the satanic schemes in this world... and all that sets itself up against the knowledge of God. We not only carry the truth but we destroy the schemes by our creating abilities. This is why we do not think we can approach a most Holy God who is other. If we know a God who orders everything by the word of His power then we are confident that His word can make everything right in our site by a single word. He can heal the sick... make our enemies turn and run...give us relationships that are beyond the normal relationships as in David and Johnathan...He does this by looking on us and examining us. God is always good. His sight on us is that He looks on us with love and faithfulness. He orders events for our benefit and for the punishment of our foes. God is our Father so even tho we cannot look upon Him and live we are going to eat on the same table that He promises in eternity. So God encourages us to approach His throne with confidence and faith. God is the Highest being who accepts us the most. God is the only other being in the universe who can accept us and look upon our weaknesses and faults with the highest ends to do us good.  God gives us ability that He produces in working the good by His divine providence. So when we accomplish a task our enjoyment is in God who works in us to will and to do of His good pleasure. Our lack of strength in the task is our gift to envision His working as the cause of all of our freedom to let Him be God. Our success is our confidence that He has done good through us in a way that is the most original and highest accomplishment that can be performed how He works. We are rewarded as the most artistic models when we are most happy in God. This is His way of persevering through us.       Reply Quote Notify 2451  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: Freedom For The Addicted on: May 28, 2011, 07:40:31 AM As long as we are on this earth we are going to be weak and sinful. If we even practice one little sin we break the whole law. If we think we are different than the other person who practices the really bad sins like adultery ... fornication...theft... then we do not understand the relationship we have to the law of God. The law condemns any sin. If the law were a person it would speak the same condemnation to any one who ever sinned. Because our honest reaction to the law is a cry for mercy. This is our problem. We are not honest about our inability to do one good thing. If we were honest then we would put our trust in another person who was our substitute. We would not think about these individual sins and how they affect the world. Our confidence would not be that great. How many times do we need to feel condemned by the law before it will dawn on us that we are wasting our time trying to prove ourselves in this self fulfillment? The apostle calls this dashing our foot against a stone or being crushed under a huge rock. We live as sinners because we are corrupted in all of our parts. There is no hope for us .. we deserve to be born and then crushed by a huge boulder. So we start from our hopelessness in this world and then we are reminded daily that we are still hopeless because we still practice sin. Why think we are better as we learn more techniques to feel better? You know that is not real! There is only one hope. Fix our eyes of our Savior. Every time we talk about ourselves in light of our performance its not like we are able to be confident because we are separate from our Head. We still must conclude that our existence is gifted to us by mercy and grace. If we sin and we find that we are able to envision our true need by that then we are seeing the value of our sin. But if we think that we can argue on the basis of our own obedience then the law and sin will crush us. This is why there is a Fatherly acceptance of our sins in light of His understanding our weaknesses. Our position as a son is that we have all the provisions promised to us so that we can accept ourselves as sinners. We live before our Father practicing sin. The law speaks condemnation but our Father responds with a voice of acceptance based upon His unmerited favor that is extended to us through His Son. This unmerited favor is extending forgiveness for us by His grace alone. So we live before our Father in grace. If we come as if we were better than this then its not being honest. We are a helpless still born child who needs life as the communication in answer to all of our cries. We need more than strength we need a whole new confidence. This is why we are confident in Him and not in ourselves when we pray. Because we know that one of the new sins is not going to make us any more unworthy. He knows us before we think one thought. He knows what we are going to think before we think it. He knows we are going to sin before we sin. There is no where else to turn ... we cannot think we can argue and talk like we do not need everything from Him. This is why we can sin big and face Him in confidence. Because we know that if He did not destroy us when we were born then there is a glimmer of hope. But we find that His grace...love... hope...forgiveness.. acceptance is lasting and fulfilling. We have a bigger problem than gaining acceptance . The biggest sin is self confidence at the expense of real confidence in Him. We must mature to an understanding where we are concerned for our sins but we are focused on what He is really focused on. That is His purposes being worked out through us so that we can gift others who are in need. We must come to understand this joint service. Other people will try to get us to focus on ourselves.. our sins.. etc but we must have a place of refuge where we are able to get beyond that mindset. We must be put on a rock so that we will not get distracted from our purpose. The only hope we have is to know Him by His voice and not by a third party. Remove Reply Quote Notify 2452  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: Freedom For The Addicted on: May 26, 2011, 02:02:34 PM The scheme that you believe is based upon pre behavioral tendencies. You say that God is the one who is going to change you but you teach that He will not act until you obey. You say that God requires you to do all of the teachings in the Sermon on the Mount in a kind of behavioral obedience. But then you talk about other people in your behavioral scheme ...that everyone will change when you change. In counseling someone in a conversation about the other person who they have never met then there really is no room for individual change because the program is decided based upon the behavioral modification program. If someone tells someone else they need to be totally unbiased about the problems they are having and just focus on themselves and yet the ones who have done the work are able to tell these people in a biased way what needs to be done then the culture will not be unbiased but encourages the very thing they are saying should not be done. Biblical truth is unfathomable. Change in a behavioral sense is never complete. Its an incomplete knowledge that is mostly biased in something or someone else. Whatever we focus on is the problem in our minds. Our minds are taught that there is only one place where there is no bias. Its our value outside of this moral universe. If we value anything as important in our own system of checks and balances that is equal or more important than Christ... then Christ is of no effect. Christ is saying... whatever we place before or are equal to Him ...people ... things... philosophical systems etc  so that we are effected by guilt... fear... sorrow or pain then that is an idol. This is why we believe the only unbiased life is depended upon Christ in the returns for our own honor. Let me say this again... the only unbiased life is a life dependent upon Christ alone in all other relationships we have in this time sequence. Our change is in His time. Our value is dependent upon this unbiased path way. The only other option is to worship an idol. Dont lower yourself before any man.   Remove Reply Quote Notify 2453  Forums / Current Events / Re: Tornado Raw footage on: May 25, 2011, 09:02:19 PM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKmsSungHEY Remove Reply Quote Notify 2454  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: TT.UU.LL.II.PP.s still bloom on: May 24, 2011, 05:49:44 PM Quote from: Kings_kid on May 24, 2011, 04:42:14 PM The original T.U.L.I.P. blooms topic got bogged down quickly in irrelevant discussions, as often happens.  So let's refresh the central ideas.  Here is a t.u.l.i.p. growing with a t.u.l.i.p., and both bloom when seen together. +++++++ Total depravity Totally dependent righteousness Unconditional election Unforced election Limited atonement Limitless atonement availability Irresistible grace Invitational grace Perseverance of the Saints Persistence in Christ +++++++ For more discussion of each of the latter tulip points, see the first topic on blooming. If anyone has any thoughts on these concepts, and how they complement one another, you might want to speak up quickly before the thread gets "derailed" or hijacked.    wow ... you ought to take this on the road kk... nice discussion... lol. Reply Quote Notify 2455  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: Dietrich Bonhoeffer.... by Dallas M. Roark on: May 24, 2011, 02:04:41 PM Bonhoeffer finds the solution in Jesus Christ. The Incarnation shows God’s love for his work, the crucifixion shows his judgment upon the creature, and the resurrection indicates a new world to come. God’s becoming man means that man is called to be man, to. be himself, a penultimate in the light of the ultimate. The cross shows the penultimate nature of the world, meaning that man is not to be deified but to live before the judgment of the final. The resurrection does not annul life but makes it greater in the ultimate. Thus, "Christian life is participation in the encounter of Christ with the world." 23 The penultimate is functional, the ultimate is the goal. The ultimate justifies the penultimate in its existence, but not as something independent of the ultimate. The penultimate prepares the way for coming to Christ. Without the ultimate the penultimate will shatter. Bonhoeffer analyzes Western Christendom from this perspective. In the last two centuries the ultimate has been called into question and the penultimate — peace, order, justice, humanness — breaks down. If the penultimate is to be fortified and strengthened, then there "must be a more emphatic proclamation of the ultimate." 24 The penultimate concerns the natural as opposed to the supernatural. Bonhoeffer laments that the "natural" has been deleted from Protestantism because it has been opposed to grace, which is magnified. The natural is not the opposite of grace but of the unnatural. He argues that the gospel gives the basis for a recovery in Protestantism of the concept of the natural.25 The natural, after the Fall, directs man toward Christ; the unnatural directs him away from Christ. The natural is unorganized; it is simply there; the unnatural consists of organization and therefore perverts the natural. The natural is recognized by reason. Its content is the preservation of life. Although one might rebel against the natural, the natural will endure in the long run for it preserves life. Bonhoeffer rejects natural life as an end in itself (vitalism) and life as a means to an end (mechanization) for a composite view of life as both an end and a means. In the first there is content for creaturehood, and in the second, participation in the kingdom of God. Related to life are rights and duties in that order. "God gives before He demands." The general formulation of rights is found in the principle "suum cuique, to each his own."26 Both the multiplicity and unity of rights are expressed in this principle. Bonhoeffer sees God as the defender of natural rights. Remove Reply Quote Notify 2456  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: Freedom For The Addicted on: May 24, 2011, 12:45:15 PM The negative side of this is very important. There is composing and decomposing. The bible says that we need to hate in order to love. Hate what is wrong. Or we are to hate one thing and love Him. So this is our privilege to be free of idols. Idols weigh us down. They make us divided in our love for our Lord. But we all struggle with idols.  We are not required to give them up as a result of our own repentance. But God gives what He requires. We are not on a mission to be good but to know God. In knowing God who is all glorious and who is pleased for us to be pleased with Him alone then we can turn from those things ... but its not in the absence of the idol that we are pleased to enjoy God..but in His power and vision. This is why we have cursing.  God is other. This means in knowing God we will be confounded. To feel a sense of helplessness is not a bad thing. Its being weaned from our desire for idols. The art of christian living is the practical experience of peace. Its being free from the threats of our opposition. This is speaking salvation . Its hearing God speak salvation. This is having the weight of this world on God so that we do not consider things we cannot control. Most of our problems are not with the sins we commit but with our view that God is not able to help us or we hold onto things we are not required to hold onto. Our focus in our being confounded is resting. If we enjoy God then we will know Him in His presence. In His presence is joy everlasting. Its the synergy of beauty. Idols are dead things. The rewards are dead rewards. The earth is a dead reward. Its not like the heavens where God is present. A religious man can be as dead as an idol. A moral man can end in the dead grave with the dead sinners. But a man who worships God and enjoys God has found God to be alive. In Gods presence every thing is made rite.  And this is when you are standing with your foot on top of your enemy whatever or who ever it may be. Remove Reply Quote Notify 2457  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: Freedom For The Addicted on: May 24, 2011, 12:01:19 PM Addiction is not a reality that we can overcome in this life. We may try to use methods to overcome our addictions but these methods seldom bring us to victory ... they just keep us focused on fighting our addictions. Addiction is in the natural thinking of a man. Man is addicted to himself and he cannot come to a way that has perfect symmetry in balancing truth. Because all truth is in Christ or it is supernatural.Therefore man is addicted to philosophy. All systems outside of Christ are circular in their mode of thinking. All philosophies start with man and they return in process back to the reality of mans control. The only symmetry is it keeps man focused on his addiction by making man an image of the continuous power in the addiction. Whenever you have circular thinking its a teaching that does not transcend the image of man. The christian view of overcoming sin is in having instant effects. We are not teaching that we must do something to receive something that will bring us back to the art of self knowledge.. .that being healing in community ... connection in our human weakness etc. We are offering a message that is contained. One truth is tied to another and it becomes a small thread that holds all of these endless truths together. Our created tendencies in confronting addiction are in the lack of consistency in our practical lives. We must find a truth that contains doctrine and practice that is not from our own image. There is only one consistent practice in this world. Its the contained revelation of God. If we start with man then it will go back to man. Our philosophy will teach our problem.We will teach ourselves human addiction to confront destructive addiction. Its a philosophy that we can follow the method better as we go along and if we keep practicing it then we will find freedom. This leads to a world that is over worked with standards that are too difficult of time and performance that no man can achieve in the rewards. This is the world we live in now... its called slavery. The christian world view is the opposite of what we think will work. Its antithetical to all our ways of achieving. It teaches anti naturalist truth. We get better by focusing on the art of counting in the continuous power of instant success. Our lives become new from one day to the next. We are completely different from one day to the next. So we practice sin not because of its direct power over us but because we do not believe that we are different.  Sin is not overcome through process of incorporation but through identity. Process teaches us that we are not completely healed until we overcome addiction. Identity teaches us that we are completely healed in Christ so we overcome by counting it so. This is not a process doing and receiving but its counting and experiencing. This art of counting is a day by day focus. The bible teaches that we are already completely different but we still struggle with our old process mind. In our old life we did everything through rewards. We disciplined ourselves so we could achieve a relatively comfortable life. We did things to bring peace into our lives. We focused on the task at hand and we got rewarded. But this did not bring us personal happiness or satisfaction with ourselves in a non physical way. Our minds were not controlled by truth but by process philosophy. No man can be satisfied with his natural way of thinking. Every man will experience separation from God. This brings man into an anxious spirit. The christian is a man who can sin one moment and be at complete peace the next moment. Because anyone who has been identified with Christ has on going peace. The struggle in a man now is to make His experience of peace as a life of resistance and not doing for reward. This is why doing something could lead us rite to the devil. So we must be wise as serpents... a play on words ... gods of the earth and harmless as doves... or like trusting that God will avenge us. The angels are Gods messengers... but we will only see the devils flock of birds who have the disease fall together. So we trust as our strength.        Remove Reply Quote Notify 2458  Members Only / Purgatory / Re: Taking Heaven By Force on: May 24, 2011, 10:09:31 AM The word of God is the life that creates new reality. God breaths into time moving history through His power. Every thing in the universe is only good because God ordains it to come to pass. God alone is worthy of praise because there is no one who is powerful enough or high enough to thwart Gods purposes. Our lives are in His hands. He creates through us. God works outside the means as well as in the means. Our experience is only supernatural because of Gods gifts to us that are beyond what we could ask or think. We trust in a God who can do whatever He wants just by our asking. This is why we are dogmatic that salvation is through faith alone. Because we do not want to lower the standard of ability. We want to be able to move mountains to shut the mouths of lions to see the salvation of God in all of its drama to pass before our eyes. We want heaven to come to earth. We have access to God who is far above our understanding. A God who parts the Red Sea and delivers His covenant people from the hands of their oppressors. We have a God who is most holy and cannot look upon sin with pleasure but devours His enemies on every side. He is a God who walks this earth by making His own paths complete righteous. This means the God must override sinners... destroy them off the face of the earth ...eliminate fear... threats .. violence... while protecting the fatherless.. widows .. orphans ... those who call upon God. God cannot be holy and look on His covenant people with disdain. He must lead His people like He led them in the wilderness through Moses... by His love and faithfulness. Our honor is depended upon Gods holy protection of us. God is a consuming fire... fire goes before Him and destroys His foes on every side. But God is also holy in that He is majestic. Gods character is like a symphony orchestra. God is a God of beauty and symmetry.  God is a God of order who will destroy the faithless completely. His beauty is seen in His power. He roars in the dark clouds. He thunders over the whole earth. His winds blow and the bark is ripped off the trees. His waves crash against the sea with the a roar and clapping that cannot be duplicated. His heavenly abode has sounds of beauty that produce reality on in time. All of the sounds of the trumpets and the angels voices are in perfect symmetry like instruments responding to one another in a piece of music. In the word of God we find that nothing happens on this earth in duplication. God is most personal to us in responding to our cries! We are taught to view this world in light of Gods word. We look through the eyes of faith. This is why we experience new life in a new created paradigm. We have the prophetic word. We are not only able to assess the worlds problems but we are also able to come to our Father to create disaster and salvation. Gods prophets walk in His path of righteousness because wherever they put their feet it is Gods. There is no other option for Gods people. They either reign or they fade away. We are required to resist the devil and he will flee from us... not the other way around. We must respond in our praying and singing to bring in Gods kingdom on this earth. Do you know how to create in your cries?     Remove Reply Quote Notify 2459  Forums / Current Events / Re: Tornado Raw footage on: May 23, 2011, 03:29:51 PM http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2011/05/23/video-scenes-from-the-joplin-twister/ This one is huge... wow... coming from a person who went through Andrew . Remove Reply Quote Notify 2460  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: T.U.L.I.P. blooms on: May 23, 2011, 03:19:39 PM Now your going to force me to go into the text. ok. If its any consolation to you... RC Sproul teaches Edwards who also who taught me this interpretation.... and i think Steve does also. You cant interpret the verse your way because you would be out of the context with the rest of scripture. I dont even think a Philosopher would agree with your position.