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We are made to glorify God by enjoying Him
forever. God is eternal and has not a body like man. For we move in Him.
This means that all of our experiences are created by God from eternity
past. Im not necessarily saying that we see God working through our
circumstances as the evidence that God exist. But I am saying that we
feel as if the eternal is breaking into the temporal. This involves our
whole being.
We are made to seek God and in seeking Him we find
Him. What does it mean to find Him? It means that we experience eternal
life in the soul. We identify this new life by high experiences in our
worship. We worship by doing everything with the attitude that God is
present. But we do not seek God through some physical activity that we
participate in. We experience God by longing for Him.
Our
longing is from a desire that has been described by God in His word.
This longing comes from a pure gospel focus. God explains the
circumstances of gospel grace in very difficult language. Gods Spirit
uses the word to apply it in our eternal senses of sight, touch,
feeling, tasting, smelling. The Spirit moves before we move. Our senses
become whole by the sovereign word of God. The soveriegn word is all the
words of God that are revealed that are contained. These words do not
fail. We have the fullness of God dwelling in us. Read one word and it
is the spirit of all the revealed words of scripture. All the words are
contained in Gods perfect plan for our deliverance. In this sense they
are applied to our whole lives.. perfectly. We long for salvation by
God speaking salvation to us. We hear Him speaking in our ongoing
experience of daily deliverance.
This communication of Gods
deliverance is our experience of Him meeting our need. But we have the
need we want and yet God sees all of the circumstances that answer our
need in this contained way. As I have been saying that our highest
experience is when we have answered the questions and we have an
application to us to meet our need but we find when God meets our need
that He speaks a salvation to us where the mystery of salvation
overcomes our want in receiving the gift. This is our high experience
where we feel the eternal senses heightened. We are raised up in an
experience of God that is weighted in such a way that we become weak.
This speaking of God is drawing us into a rest. This rest is more than a
physical enjoyment but it is our souls experiencing deep rest. The
Psalmist compares this to a child being weened by his mother. The
mystery of the gospel... the weight of the light of the glory of God
reduces the importance of our circumstances. We are not concerned with
things that are too great for us.
I have hit the spiritual mother load at this time ... lol ... i will begin to write about experiencing God.
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Forums / Theology Forum / Re: The interior function of sin and grace in the creative language of the curses.
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on: October 24, 2013, 10:26:18 PM
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Thanks for being up front and kind. I like you
because you are consistent with how you present your position. I have a
hard time disagreeing and writing in a kind way so i dont want to come
across as mean spirited.
As you know Christ in the sermon was
giving a further explanation of the ot law. He was not making a new one.
This is why He said in the same sermon that not the smallest letter or
the least stroke of the pen will disappear from the law of God. So this
creates a problem if you make and absolute rule. Here is the ot law.Deu.
27 14 The Levites shall recite to all the people of Israel in a loud
voice:15 “Cursed is anyone who makes an idol—a thing detestable to the
Lord, the work of skilled hands—and sets it up in secret.”
Then all the people shall say, “Amen!”
16 “Cursed is anyone who dishonors their father or mother.”
Then all the people shall say, “Amen!”
17 “Cursed is anyone who moves their neighbor’s boundary stone.”
Then all the people shall say, “Amen!”
18 “Cursed is anyone who leads the blind astray on the road.”
Then all the people shall say, “Amen!”
19 “Cursed is anyone who withholds justice from the foreigner, the fatherless or the widow.”
Then all the people shall say, “Amen!”
20 “Cursed is anyone who sleeps with his father’s wife, for he dishonors his father’s bed.”
Then all the people shall say, “Amen!”
21 “Cursed is anyone who has sexual relations with any animal.”
Then all the people shall say, “Amen!”
22 “Cursed is anyone who sleeps with his sister, the daughter of his father or the daughter of his mother.”
Then all the people shall say, “Amen!”
23 “Cursed is anyone who sleeps with his mother-in-law.”
Then all the people shall say, “Amen!”
24 “Cursed is anyone who kills their neighbor secretly.”
Then all the people shall say, “Amen!”
25 “Cursed is anyone who accepts a bribe to kill an innocent person.”
Then all the people shall say, “Amen!”
26 “Cursed is anyone who does not uphold the words of this law by carrying them out.”
Then all the people shall say, “Amen!”
If
the law is upheld by Christ then we see here that it not only forbids
but it speaks death. This is exactly what happened to Adam and Eve as
the punishment for their disobedience. The whole creation began a
process of dieing. If Christ was saying that it is wrong to pronounce a
curse then why did God pronounce death in response to the first sin and
to the breaking each of the ten commandments?
If you throw out
the penalty of breaking the law then it has no meaning. If cursing
ceases then why does the punishment of Adams sin ..which is death...
still reign?
If Christ forbids cursing then why does He speak
death after the sermon? Matthew 18:6-8 Woe to the world because of the
things that cause people to stumble! Such things must come, but woe to
the person through whom they come!
[ Seven Woes on the Teachers
of the Law and the Pharisees ] “Woe to you, teachers of the law and
Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the door of the kingdom of heaven in
people’s faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those
enter who are trying to.
Matthew 23:15
“Woe to you, teachers
of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea
to win a single convert, and when you have succeeded, you make them
twice as much a child of hell as you are.
Matthew 23:16
“Woe
to you, blind guides! You say, ‘If anyone swears by the temple, it means
nothing; but anyone who swears by the gold of the temple is bound by
that oath.’
Matthew 23:23
“Woe to you, teachers of the law and
Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill
and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the
law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the
latter, without neglecting the former.
Matthew 23:25
“Woe to
you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the
outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and
self-indulgence.
Matthew 23:27
“Woe to you, teachers of the
law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which
look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of the bones
of the dead and everything unclean.
Matthew 23:29
“Woe to you,
teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for
the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous.
If Christ
made an absolute rule then why did the Apostle himself pronounce death
twice for emphasis? Gal. 1 8 But even if we or an angel from heaven
should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them
be under God’s curse! 9 As we have already said, so now I say again: If
anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let
them be under God’s curse!
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Forums / Theology Forum / Re: The Pre-Trib Rapture In Acts 15:13-18
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on: October 23, 2013, 10:27:52 PM
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So
you don't believe in a literal second coming or literal Millennium.
What about a literal judgment? I'd guess if you don't believe in a
literal second coming you wouldn't since the White Throne Judgment is on
earth.
The next event will be when the heavens open
up the Lord will be visible. All the unsaved will see Him and
immediately the truth will be revealed to them. Then Christ will judge
the wicked and reward the righteous. After the judgement Christ will set
up the new heavens and earth. The judgement has been revealed
to those who belong to Christ. There is no reason for the unsaved to
respond to the judgement since it has not been revealed to them. In a
sense we are joined with the counsel of God as the prosecutor. All the
unsaved in eternity are considered criminals ready to hear their
punishment. We understand that Gods law holds the unsaved accountable
for their sins. They are under the wrath of God. They only receive
judgement or blame. But we are no longer under Gods judicial
condemnation. We are kind of like the spectators in the court room and
every time the judge makes His pronouncement we say Amen. May it be.
How can we be confident that the law is good when it condemns the wicked
or unsaved? If we did not agree with the full condemnation of the law
then sin is not that bad and Christ death and resurrection would be of
very little value. Our acknowledgement of the value of Christ death is
weighted by our wish that judgement would fall. Because there would be
no hope of being saved if sin was not exceedingly sinful. This
seems harsh. But I do not think it is a passive acknowledgement that the
curses are needed. That would be insincere and not in line with the
shared experience of all human beings. I think that we do not get
better by just an understanding of the curses. But the curses represent
the paradigm that is worse that we could imagine. Just as on the other
side the glory of God is greater than we could imagine. All teaching in a
biblical sense is done through identity not just acquiring knowledge.
The curses are the lowest point of our growing down. We sort of descend
into an identity that is like going to a poor nation and seeing the
children starving. We do not need to go to the worse situations to feel,
touch, or see the evils. The bible is all we need to understand how
destructive evil is. You can experience something awful in a
physical sense that leaves a scar afterwards. But I do not believe that
it is necessarily growing down in the biblical context. God is not
really focused on our circumstances as the agent to change us. He has
made us and given us a manual for the soul. He has ordained that we
change through transformation of the soul. Through word and Spirit we
receive illumination that is designed to go deeper than the worlds evil
circumstances. The curses take us down and burn away our bad
experiences. When we enter that eternal courtroom we have an
understanding of the working of the law by experience. We have been made
like Christ.
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Forums / Theology Forum / Re: Dissagreeent = terrorist? 2007 Papal statement. True???
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on: October 21, 2013, 06:29:46 PM
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cont.
This is why the bible speaks in a
moral way not as we think. Immorality in the bible is taking aggression
against Gods covenant of grace or redemption. Its not necessarily
disobedience since "the disobedient" are non believers in a covenant
sense. The national labels are distinct from God ruling His people as
the Great Shepherd. When we are labeling someone a sinner in an absolute
sense we are distinguishing them from saints. A saint is a sinner but
He is under Gods covenant faithfulness.
The bible distinguishes a
covenant agreement in this sense. Because God created the world by His
word all of the ideas in the covenant relationship are contained. Gods
visible establishment of His throne or ruling paradigm. When we are born
again by Him calling us from life to death we enter into this covenant
government. That government is Gods contained word which orders all of
life and the whole world. We can no longer desire to aggressively attack
this agreement. In this way we are fulfilling our moral obligation
which is to live in grace. That is we are freed from the position of
deserting our prior agreement.
Possibility is given and not
earned. We can do nothing without Christ. So we are given grace as an
ability to do anything. This is why I believe that our view of grace is
at the bottom of all our problems.
The natural man hates grace.
Because grace is opposing the natural mans aggression to take his
position as a god. A natural man can act good but he can never love
grace. Because the natural man does not have the ability to see the free
gifts of God. I believe this is not only anti social but its self
destructive. At the core of this is anger. There is no remedy to a mans
hostility if the man opposes the free ability that we enjoy. It is the
ultimate act of schizophrenia ...that is to oppose the power to
understand oneself. This is at the bottom of the act to take Gods power
upon oneself.
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