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692  Forums / Main Forum / Re: If you don't post... on: April 07, 2013, 12:40:14 PM
I agree Gouda... theres a difference between seeing the people in our lives as Gods handiwork ...those who oppose us give us reasons to be more ferverent in our prayers seeing that its easy for us to stray and those who come along side to encourage us. This path of grace is not a wide highway lol. Its a narrow way so we need to be aware of those people who use the scripture to advance their own moral code. What other way of life offers a person total freedom from sin and sorrow in a spiritual transaction that seems to be of little value in this world? Its so easy to make grace of no consequence to move us in the rite direction. Its easier to become the guy on the bully pulpit because he gives us things to do so we feel a sense of accomplishment at first. Its easy to be a man pleaser.
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693  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: The hero with a thousand faces... on: April 07, 2013, 12:29:38 PM
Paul was greatly distressed at Athens because he had fled there from the Jews who had followed him from Thessalonica . He settled in Athens to rest and wait for the other disciples to come. But after seeing all of the idols in city he confronted them with the gospel. Paul was just as harsh to them in calling them ignorant , blind and idol worshippers as he had been in other venues. Some of the philosophers were agitated in response to Pauls message.

Paul did not offer another god but He distinguished God from the other gods saying the philosophers were responsible to this unknown God because He created them and He put them in that place to seek after Him. They could not escape this God with their idols. Then Paul told them to repent or they would face the conseqenses of turning Gods glory into shame by the presence of the dead idols. Paul did not offer them a God who was better than their gods but the living God to their gods of choice who were dead gods.
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694  Forums / Break Room / Re: Hungry heart on: April 05, 2013, 03:13:20 PM
We can error in two ways with this battle. One is to see the christian life is a set of practical standards. Its worked out in our lives through a practical wise way. We reduce the will being exercised in the use of our bodies and the physical world. People are always given to extreme speech. They think the success is their advice given in steps to answer a problem. But there is nothing in the christian experience in the past or the present void of these steps that has not been ordered by God as a necessary part of our christian experience. So in reducing the christian life we are always talking about avoiding extremes.

But as Ive said we carry around evil potentials in body and spirit in the human expression of our need for God. There is a good reason why God gave us a will to survive. We are always in need of something greater than our present experience as a solid foundation. Our salvation is outside of ourselves. All of this theological knowledge must be applied so we can experience mystery. The reason for the Psalms is to learn the art of rising up above oneself. Our communication is not seasoned in a book but it comes down to our rising up to God. We can only express our gifts in being able to argue from a sense of mystery. We create an image through God training our desires with the motive to convince those who are beyond convincing.
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695  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: The hero with a thousand faces... on: April 05, 2013, 02:11:40 PM
The stars in scripture in my opinion according to the context can also refer to angels. The star in Revelation that fell from the sky and had the keys to the abyss seems to me to be an angel. The number of angels is a mystery..Its more than we could count. But the cherubim who are like angels seem at this point in my understanding have oversight of the angels who appear in the second heaven. So maybe the cherubim territory are the third heavens.Where as angels are described as having access from heaven to earth. This is what I believe the star analogy is teaching.

We can't see angels but they are said to be our ministering spirits. And in the Psalms my understanding they can bring us to a happy disposition in their protection of us. So our part of our hope in the battle when we are being tested is to come out unharmed ... Or we feel holistically free when we experience healing in body and soul. I believe angels rescue us from destructive forces that are too strong for us.

When we pray to God as the Most High commander of the forces of the heavens we appeal to Him in His relationship to His angels as that army. This is why I believe that we can be attacked by the Devil who has a large number of demons at his command. But we have no authority over the evil spirits. That is why you cannot find a spell in scripture to destroy evil forces. Rather we are told that we are surrounded by the angels. The scripture compares their powerful work on our behalf to be the most powerful force on this earth not being able to overcome the ministry of the angels work in us. It would be a miss understanding to say say the angels only destroy Satan forces but they can make a man go crazy. So they have power to confuse a mans mind.

When we pray we interact with spiritual beings. We address God as our Father but we understand that He promises to minister to us through these invisible creatures. The scripture tells us to call upon God in the day of trouble.When we learn the art of knowing how to describe out human frail condition we can call upon God with precise cries ...those Promises to us that answer our cries. I believe the apostle in talking about persevering in the Christian life comparing it to a boxer that does not shadow box is hitting his mark because he understands his own limits, the condition of his body and soul and understanding that Christian success is when we are united with success of Christ as we experience His power. So our learned desire , the historical experience of the situational cry, our experience of healing of body and spirit, and out of the well of power that is formed in us we can call from a greater desire. We cant impress God with our knowledge so we get human as our confrontational expression. David learned how to pray with all of his might. From  this position comes all the practical answers of direct divine communication to us.
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696  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: The hero with a thousand faces... on: April 04, 2013, 03:57:14 PM
The gospel is very simple. Its just putting your trust in Christ. Its so simple that it can be missed. If a person is saved it can be with one word. Jesus. But that word that is applied to the that person is given by the Holy Spirit. So in a sense the whole truth of scripture in the spirit of the law is in that person. And yet another person could have a wealth of knowledge of the truth and be void of knowing Christ.

But at the same time our having the experience of wholeness is in our understanding of the truth. So we can be like a baby that is born in poverty and experiences hunger from a lack of food. We not only need to be saved but we need to developed from and infant to an adult. The bible compares the necessity of eating to our physical bodies with our spiritual growth. We need a daily intake of the bread of life.

We can look out there and marvel at the evangelical success in these different missionary endeavors. But it is no different when we bring it back to reality than it is in our own lives. They become close to us when we all are on equal terms discussing these differences in doctrine. Our personal experiences are with Christian growth are the same no matter where we live.
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697  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: The hero with a thousand faces... on: April 04, 2013, 03:34:43 PM
It seems like to me this guy is describing his own theory about one God. So there is a possibility that God would bless false statements about Himself and yet still warn people not to seek after idols. At the same time he seems to be embracing anyone who expresses an idea of God with the universal spirit of love his distinction is sharp when he points to those who have a narrow view of God. So his universal spirit is dismissed. LOL Ive heard this argument so many times. We do not have a creed because we want to be able to apply truth in many different forms but in the small print there is a warning about those who believe in the doctrinal one. LOL

Actually the mean spirited teaching is any idea that is taught that is false about God. The two sides of the argument are not those who embrace a loose description of God against a narrow description. But those who embrace a God of peace because He delivers people from sin and oppression against the moral god who demands payment in good deeds and real change in order to obtain peace. False religion begins with mans description of God. But we know that God reveals Himself to man in His spoken word. The word of God is a self revelation of God. It not only proves who God is but it provides the ability to know God. The word of God is a living document.

God comes to man and reveals Himself. Anyone who believes in the true God confesses that he trust in Gods word alone. Gods word is a guarantee that He will show Himself true by every word. All the words of scripture are sure and stead fast. When we exalt His word and believe that it measures all other words then we begin to shed the light on the inaccurate statements about  God. To trust in His word is to trust in God Himself.
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698  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: Seed of woman versus son of man on: April 02, 2013, 10:06:10 AM
The seed of the woman is her giving life through the process of conception. The bible says that she produces a generation. She provides for the spiritual success of the next generation. So goes the woman so goes a righteous generation. But the spiritual success is not just taking the gospel out to the nations but if first must prosper in our own cities. God always expelled the wicked from the city because the conception life of the woman had its success in the of the culture. The cry of the heart is to enjoy peace in our culture. So goes the peace ..so goes the protection of the powerless in conception. You saw this when Herod was trying to destroy Christ at His birth.

God through a passive decree allowed sin to enter the world. Because God is the ruler over the earth and all nations He reorders the relationship of man to his culture in an upside down way. Gods authoritative power is not through the edicts of man but God reduces the power of man as a display that He alone rules through all generations. God does not need to overthrow oppressive authority through the might of nations. He rules through the power of the weak who cry out to Him night and day. He speaks this message as He is the only one who does things in a supernatural way. God speaks in a way that His leadership is separated from this earth.

God rules this earth by word and Spirit. He orders the nations by gifting them with statutes, decrees, laws, and promises. God not only provides these gifts but He proves Himself as the only law keeper by working to establish His rulership on this earth through the success of His work.There is no person or nation that has existed through all generations. Every man and nation cease to exist in their power so that God shows Himself on display of His knowledge, wisdom, faithfulness, love that He is eternal and cannot fail.

Satan is not omni present. He rules the earth through the schemes of wicked rulers. Satan opposes Gods word. Satan divises schemes in the high places to dethrone God. No evil has ever spread without communication. Evil that resides in the heart of man rules through mans convincing others through powerful schemes. This is the way that man becomes his own god. This is why God must destroy the evil that brings malice to his neighbor and bring down that evil on the wicked mans own head. God proves that He alone rules by bringing about all events in allowing and preventing through His word.

This word of deliverance is the sum total of Gods display of His covenant faithfulness. We recieve our life from God by trusting in His word. In this life our only hope is in this one thing. We have a new hope in this word that cannot fail. This is how we oppose this world who are saying and doing evil according to their relationship with Satan as their father. The seed of the woman in her conception of life is seen in Gods ruling over this earth through all generations through all these events.
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699  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: Seed of woman versus son of man on: March 31, 2013, 03:33:11 PM
cont. with our desires


There is a difference between communicating in a disjointed way with presenting to God our doctrine and being proficient in getting to the heart of the matter. A lot of us look at this communication as just coming to God with knowledge of who He is and being very undisciplined in petitioning Him with direct language. We are responsible to come to Him with boldness. That boldness is not just asking... but in a stouthearted way.

The confidence we display is according to His work and not ours. This is a king language. The king who has absolute authority in coming to the Most High relinquishes his kingly authority by addressing God as the only King. Because a king does not possess the desires to make a kingdom in reality. Only God does as He pleases. The point being there is no self confidence in the earthly edicts but only our confidence that Gods word is His desire to reality. God speaks and it is accomplished. How simple and powerful can that be?

This is why the language of prayer is a battle language. It is the confidence of a commander to shout the orders to his troops just before the battle. The desire is to pray so that unity becomes reality. As long as the desires are conflicting there is an evil work. Prayer is wrestling with God. Its the path to overcome all opposed desires. We must learn how to become strong in the Lord. We are not simply petitioning God but we are presenting strong arguments. Our position is that we bring those desires of our hearts with clear arguments and God will either refine them or He will give us victory. One of the main reasons that we praise God with high praise .. more than praising Him for who He is ...is the day of victory. Some times we think God is the heavenly teacher and we are always coming to Him with knowledge but no purpose. If we are gonna be convincing so that we can over come the faint of heart then we must learn how to convince God. lol
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700  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: Seed of woman versus son of man on: March 31, 2013, 02:19:20 PM
Its interesting that the bible in explaining evil and sin depicts it as a communication of the body parts. The bible connects the thoughts to the mouth and it spreads to the hands and feet. There is a clear distinction between a righteous man and a wicked man. And this is a distinction that provides the basis of these movements of the body. A wicked man worships idols. The body of an idol does not possess life. What is interesting is that the idol provides the basis for the whole man being dead. This is tied to the chaff which is the end of a life lived as an idol worshiper. The wicked heart is dead. The desire will come to nothing.

What is this desire?  Its an atheistic desire. What are the body parts used for? The hands shed innocent blood, the feet rush into evil, the mouth is like a dead mans tomb and the heart is hostile to God. The interesting part is that this description of the wicked is not necessarily a physical comparison but its the thinking process that comes out in words.

Now this is something that we do not think about. But evil is born from a heart that is dead. So the bible gets deeper than the action in a physical sense. This is why you cant define truth that is moral without it being revealed truth. Because there is no moral equation to change the the evil desires of man. This is why you can have a perfect specimen of physical beauty and a principled man of excellence that God describes as like the chaff of the wind. Because a man is fundamentally responsible for his attention to revealed truth.

There is some confusion here because this teaching is disconnected from how things are processed in this world and the value of that work.Because the bible teaches that man is not necessarily a principle to action man. But man is a creator in bringing into reality an image of his making. Man is made to create something by a strong desire. But the bible describes the problem with man in a two dimensional sense. It is simple to explain it this way. Gods eternal presence is a communiction of His desire in word form that is brought into reality. Man is born into this world of Gods absolute reality in word form. Man really is not someone who acts to create a world that is neutral for the good of mankind. But man seeks to overthrow every word of God. Man from birth is at odds with God in all of his desires. He uses his body parts to create disorder in Gods ordered universe. I wanted to to get to the teaching of our relationship to the body of Christ.
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701  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: Have We Been Deceived? on: March 30, 2013, 05:06:03 PM
The context of this sure word is in the motif of deliverance. I dont think our frustration with this life is dealing with sin but its understanding how to use the word and perservering enough to get ourselves in a state of mystery. Because when we are proficient in how to present our case to Him then that develops hope in His attributes that establish His word. Our frustration is to first mix our desires with His and this approach is put through the fire of His word... which is His perfect desire.

What I mean by having a sense of mystery is our coming to a point where our frustration in this life speaks to us of our own lack of power to accomplish what we desire. Because there is nothing perfect in this life and our words do not produce a change in others. Our desire which is generated by the Spirit is opposed. The righteous man has learned through the use of the word to have a clear vision of the communication of the word that speaks to his own soul and it is communicated outward in a lot of frustration. This I think is the context of the Psalmist when he says that Gods word is set apart from the words of the wicked that seem to generate a lot of success in this world. The Psalmist is so proficients in how the word is spoken that in hearing the words of other men the Psalmist feels a sense of helplessness.

This is what is so important to finding God as mysterious. Because we know that if our words are not successful then its gonna make us less confident in our being important. I do not think the Psalmist is saying that the use of Gods word makes him successful but the Psalmist is frustrated about that word not having a direct success. His frustration is expressed in his inability at the present to get what the word has taught him to desire. And this is  the natural experience in this world. Its an upside down world. This word that does not return void seems to effect very little of what goes on and we are opposed at every turn.

God is always in the position of being seen as doing things by His word that we cannot understand. Our frustration is lessened when in our position of being low that God provides the hope that we experience that He is on our side and we are on His side. This is the mysterious part of the vision. Its not something that can be easily explained but its our being confident in our desire and His faithfulness. There is a kind of spirit of the covenant of grace that is developed in us.
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702  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: Seed of woman versus son of man on: March 30, 2013, 01:08:25 PM
"......, that one of Paul, that "God sent forth his Son, made of a woman," (Gal. 4: 4,) and innumerable others, which show that he was subject to hunger, thirst, cold, and the other infirmities of our nature. But from the many we must chiefly select those which may conduce to build up our minds in true faith, as when it is said, "Verily, he took not on him the nature of angels, but he took on him the seed of Abraham," "that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death," (Heb. 2: 16, 14.).....in which Paul distinctly declares, that the sins of the world behoved to be expiated in our flesh, (Rom. 8: 3.)

.....he Son of God had become weak in the nature of man. This is explained more clearly by Paul, when he declares that "he was crucified through weakness," (2 Cor. 13: 4.) And hence his exaltation; for it is distinctly said, that Christ acquired new glory after he humbled himself.

...."Forasmuch, then, as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same;" these words plainly proving that he was an associate and partner in the same nature with ourselves. In this sense also it is said, that "both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one."

......(Gen. 3: 15,) when he says that the seed of the woman would bruise the head of the serpent, the dispute is at an end. For the words there used refer not to Christ alone, but to the whole human race........From this it follows, that Christ is a descendant of the human race, the purpose of God in thus addressing Eve being to raise her hopes, and prevent her from giving way to despair.

....Again if he had not been truly begotten of the seed of David, what is the meaning of the expression, that he is the "fruit of his loins;" or what the meaning of the promise, "Of the fruit of thy body will I set upon thy throne"? (Ps. 132: 11.)

.....It is well known, that in regard to civil order, descent is reckoned through the male; and yet the superiority on his part does not prevent the female from having her proper share in the descent.....Then, as the male sex has this privilege, that sons are deemed of noble or ignoble birth, according to the condition of their fathers, so, on the other hand, in slavery, the condition of the child is determined by that of the mother, as lawyers say, partus sequitur ventrem. Whence we may infer, that offspring is partly procreated by the seed of the mother.

....Justly, therefore, we infer from the words of Matthew, that Christ, inasmuch as he was begotten of Mary, was procreated of her seed; as a similar generation is denoted when Boaz is said to have been begotten of Rachab, (Matth. 1: 5, 16.).....For the same reason for which Isaac is said to be begotten of Abraham, Joseph of Jacob, Solomon of David, is Christ said to have been begotten of his mother. "John Calvin
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703  Forums / Break Room / Re: Innocence versus righteousness on: March 29, 2013, 01:31:40 PM
The OT worship and wisdom books are the doctrinal sections. Its the books of the worship in the synagogue. So the authors of the narrative learned about God from the Psalms. (Job...one of the oldest books was like the Psalms) When the process of inspiration took place it included the personality of the author as well as his learned knowledge of the ot. But the inspiration of the Holy Spirit involved the accuracy of the words and the order of them according to the doctrine that was taught in the synagogue.

Within this teaching was the application to the different audiences. These teachings were written to the members of the covenant that shared in the national identity through circumcision. The other groups were those who were present at the temple worship who were not saved and then the elect. The OT is a covenant record of Gods works because the authors are showing God working among His elect. This special covenant relationship was separated from the other two groups by how it was shown to be a gift from God and not according to the daily exercise of the sacrifices. This is why there is so much confusion when we read the narrative without having a comprehensive knowledge of the worship book.

The ot is a record of God ruling from the heavens and speaking in a way that He is king over all of Israel. The confusion is since the presence of God was on the earth then we may interpret His relationship to Israel as localized. The only way that we can understand this distinction is to see how God describes Himself in the worship book. You will not understand this from the narrative portions. So we see that God has a special language to His elect that is distinct from the nation. Gods Fatherly language toward His elect is different from His national language. Without learning how these covenants apply as they are taught in the worship book then we interpret these different addresses through the prophets wrongly.

Gods covenant with His elect was an eternal covenant. It was given to the elect so that they would know God. The teaching of this eternal covenant was set apart from the national message. In other words God spoke in a kind of parable language so that not all of Israel could understand. The national message was reduced to warning them. The point is that its easy to miss Gods special address to His covenant people because of all of the accounts that were described in the national account of their rebellion.

Gods eternal covenant was a gift. It never came as a result of covenant faithfulness. Because Gods eternal covenant is a record of His success through His covenant people. So God through this special covenant guards His ways as He shows His word to be successful. This is why in the record of Israels daily obedience is shown in the worship book to be a stench in Gods nostrils. When we read how God speaks to the nation it is not His way of getting them to turn back but showing how He responded to people who had no understanding of His eternal covenant. I will further explain this eternal covenant teaching.
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704  Forums / Break Room / Re: Innocence versus righteousness on: March 29, 2013, 11:21:56 AM
The natural instinct of a believer is to push the curse away. We see in scripture the curse is the order of words. So a righteous man recognizes the brain washing through false teaching. He pushes the curse away. Because every word is either a word of peace or a word of war. To make war with God is to spread false teaching. God did not destroy whole nations because He just wanted to but their false gods would create the paths of destruction of a society. Its not just our ability to recognize false teaching but the danger is that false teaching has a voice of destruction. It curses Gods order through His righteousness.

This is how the process of pain and sorrow are buttressed in society. False teachers give men a reason to find another way. Those reasons are like wax to a warm heart. The love of men wax cold by the culture of words because the words create the fabric of destruction. All of these wars are heart wars that spread out into the streets of a city.

Even adultery is not necessarily a sexual act. But in scripture it is being seduced by false teachers. A wise man will distinguish between false words and thinking thoughts after God. So we are dealing with spiritual adultery as the outworking of real adultery. When we deny what God has said we seek to cover over what is faithful, kind, loving, and long suffering. These are the blessed ways of speaking and living among the righteous. False teaching works its way into a house and seduces the partners to abandon faithfulness. You see every evil act that is destructive.

We have the gift of the curse to curse the curse. lol We have authority to take captive every thing that exaltes itself against the knowledge of God and bring it to ruin. We do this through word and Spirit. This is a legal war. lol
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705  Forums / Break Room / Re: Innocence versus righteousness on: March 29, 2013, 10:38:37 AM
 Innocence is not the absence of righteousness but its a view of us being in Christ even tho we suffer the natural effects of this world. We are never righteous in ourselves but we are seen as righteous through Christ. But what kind of righteousness are we talking about? Its a legal righteousness. I distinguish between God sphere of ruling and mans. I do not accept that a form of earthly government puts a limit on the way we interpret the ot. The distinction of Gods total sovereignty and mans responsibility is not one of 50  50 but man must be reduced to nothing so that Gods work continues. This is why in the kingdom of man death rules. The legal judgement of God is not dependent upon mans works but its pre supposed to distinguish Gods ruling power with mans power in light of man ceasing to be on this earth. God reducing mans power to silence while God exist through all ages.

The extent of Gods power is explained in the power of earthly kings. You have in a Monarchy the absolute power of the king to pronounce judgement. But we are not comparing Gods power with one man. Gods legal power is through word and Spirit. God rules through powers that man does not possess on his own. Gods powers of words are creative powers. Even in a Monarcy there is rule of law. The Ten commandments do not cease to hold man in contempt. Within the rule of law is Gods righteousness on display through the creative word. Gods legal pronouncement is to destroy destruction and to recreate life. There is a system of man through word that creates destruction on this earth. Its really not a political system but the language is from a murderous and adulterous heart of man. So legal innocence is not necessarily real innocence.

David was not innocent in the crimes of adultery and murder. But that did not prevent God from destroying all of his enemies. I do not know any other way that you could get personal with David in the sense of being in the blame but God dealing with those people who opposed him in judgement. I believe that God ordered these events in his life so that Davids prayers confronted the most painful hate as a type of Christ. In other words to show the extent of the success of Christ righteousness David had to be thrown into public ridicule for the sake of God showing through the display of His righteousness that David was considered innocent by destroying all of his enemies. Even those who turned on him that were close to him.

This is a type of Christ who suffered as a guilty king with the same miss guided hatred of those rulers and authorities. Even his closest friends abandoned Him at the hour of tribulation. I dont believe that Christ was absent of His desire to judge His abusers but it was not the time in His way to the cross. That time was in 70 AD.

 We see this distinction in pushing the curse away. There is no record of David taking personal vengeance on his own commanders. And in fact David really did not personally murder Uriah. David was not physically present in that kind of destruction. That behavior is a cursed behavior. This is why David was no where near his own sons death. And yet his own near family stabbed him in the back. David was innocent because he was blessed because of righteousness when God judged those who opposed him. 
06  Forums / Break Room / Re: Hungry heart on: March 27, 2013, 01:41:09 PM
There is nothing new under the sun. All of us share in the problems of our past that shape us in the present. We all have a corrupted view of these things. Our personal sins and weaknesses that we deal with are magnified to us when we see them in others. This is why there is pressure in the present in our culture that molds us to our view of our personal past. Our past problems create in us our present needs. So we are surrounded with people who we attract in feeling comfortable in light of our insecurities.

This is why there is really no one who has the rite answer. lol Because we all are subject to our biases as we attract those people in our present circumstances that support a bias that gives us personal comfort. lol At the same time our memories of events are very corrupted. We feel differently about the past events as we experience present pain. So we replay the painful memories in our present circumstance. In a sense the state of our minds are like building blocks of the present experience with the past. We are always being opposed.

I dont know if our image of ourselves is the complete experience of our past and present or if it is determined by God in molding us by allowing and preventing. If we all believe that we are something that is not entirely correct then our reasoning about our being rite is more important to us than what God considers the truth to be. So we all are trying to prove a point as a matter of survival. lol We are a walking argument of why we are rite. lol

I believe that God deals with us in how He has created us to feel comfortable with our corrupted motives. He is always molding us in this redemptive sense. God actually gives us a reason to be right about ourselves even tho through allowing and preventing He saves us from ourselves in recreating what we do not understand about ourselves and He cheers us on to be successful. There is a good reason to learn how to be proficient in bringing our arguments to God in our prayers. We always must go outside the box to be successful.
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707  Forums / Main Forum / Re: Hating your sin.. on: March 26, 2013, 01:36:51 PM
Im not a fan of focusing on my pride as a positive step toward wholeness in experience. Christ said His yoke is easy because there is not way to get through ourselves to see the goodness beyond ourselves. Rather He offers all good things that come to us from Him for free.So I see our struggle with ourselves as being human that He has gifted to us as handles of weakness that we grab onto that provide us with the motive to go beyond what we think is good to something we receive from Him that we could not fathom.

So confessing sin, complaining about our pain, wanting to be healed physically is not a thing in itself.  Its really wanting to experience the newly created day. The day of our high praise and worship. The vision is a convergence of our own success with His gifts. The motive for all of these weaknesses is a very personal experience of overcoming them. Its Christ in us the hope of glory. So there is a sense in which He not only promises the success but He provides the foundation and ability to be successful in that new day.

 I think that our receiving the success is the inner healing. Because He promises to speak to us. He cannot love us personally if He does not speak to us as our Father. I do not even believe that through our observance we understand the new day. But in the gift of the new day He speaks to us because He is faithful to His covenant. We are experiencing our whole being in one with the goodness of God. This is our history. Going from one strength to another .

The christian experience is not dividing all of these doctrines and focusing on each one as being distinct from the other. But they all are speaking on our behalf as they create the boundaries of our thinking that keeps us in His grace;.Understanding them as our remedy will keep us from applying them in the wrong way.
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708  Forums / Break Room / Re: Hungry heart on: March 26, 2013, 11:33:06 AM
cont.

The evil companions in scripture are deceit and malice.  Deceit is to seek to cause injury to others. The scripture teaches this truth as anti intuitively as we naturally process the moral way. We seek to attach blame before we seek the good in a covenant way. Pain is not from sin but its a motive in mans heart.,..a heart that is void of Gods love. Man deliberately seeks the wrong of his neighbor not just because of sin but because man is controlled by the mindset of the devil. So mans motive is not really described as sinful but it is destructive. It comes from a sinful heart. This is why i make this distinction because ive seen some of the worse sinners with a more compassionate heart.

Hate that is without limits is mans natural ability to curse God. God who is absolutely holy expresses His hate for sin and sinners through a curse. Man experiences pain through the presence of this process of destruction in himself. This cursing God is to oppose Gods healing methods. Man is blind to finding a remedy and uses pain as his moral guide. Man refuses to believe that he is absolutely self destructive in not acknowelging his hatred for Gods redemption. Man wants to have a little power and will endure the pain of the cursed mindset to hold onto it.

This is why God has a remedy for His children in the working of God like anger. The only redeeming value of experiencing extremes is in Gods consuming the human love or human hate. God cannot be over powered. Just as God has a success in the history of redemption in His praise worthy ability to destroy destruction so He gives us a way to go beyond our experience of hate and pain in these prayers so that we experience His power to consume the dross of our hate and recreate our lives to be successful. When we focus on Gods way worked out in the history of redemption it is both through success and destruction.
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709  Forums / Break Room / Re: Hungry heart on: March 26, 2013, 10:54:28 AM
There is a power that we face that is stronger than a whole army. It is the human will. God has given us His nature as the expression of complete rest. We have a will that can oppose pain. I am dogmatic about Gods success in achieving what He wills because Gods will is to end all pain. The point at which I lesson Gods success in doing as He pleases is my own self affliction. Or is allowing myself to receive pain. This is why over the years in all my writing I have stood my ground on Gods absolute standard of His will being that which we experience where He allows or He prohibits. The purpose of God being in this position of control is so that we know true love.

But human beings given the same potential as God of expressing their success through their will is not the same. So no matter if its and evil intent or a good reason it may not really be for the success of others.The evil of will the human will is to control through pain. So its not really who is an evil man and who is a good man. All men seek to control others through the natural expression of their God given way of success and that is their will. So there is only one person who can keep us from the pain of the control of others and it is Gods allowing or withholding. God is love.

In every situation there is an answer that is original. This is the method of recieving divine wisdom. God is more than a counselor but He is first a healer. A counselor gives the wise way. God wills to move us away from pain. Because God has made a fail safe way for us to experience a single love by how we experience pain. God overrides out personal pain by allowing and withholding. So the way that He deals with us is that we experience pain in this world by the control of others and He draws us to Himself by the pain. There is only one place of all things being experienced by us as completely right. Its in Gods love.

God loves us by moving us as a physician.He has the ultimate pain killer and the most effective way of redeeming our straying from the right way. So God does things to the worse sinners so that what looks really bad to men is Gods ordering two people to have success by dulling the pain and keeping them from the potential evil of their injuried souls. This is why I have focused on Gods absolute right to have the only will that is successful. Because man is a danger to himself and others in that he refuses to believe in Gods original way of absolute redemption.
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710  Forums / Main Forum / Re: Hating your sin.. on: March 22, 2013, 05:54:43 PM
Aw.. the incurable problem of introspection. This is the problem with the teaching of sin. The christian life is having a self knowledge without feeling trapped. There is some confusion about the application of this knowledge. Our struggle is not predominately with who we are like having equal powers of persuasion pulling us in the opposite direction. We have a sure foundation in a completed image already set for us in heaven. We know who we are because we know grace. Our understanding of grace is that we have a circumspect knowledge even tho its an incomplete knowledge. Our understanding is fail safe because God has described who we are in word and Spirit.

The Holy Spirit creates our inner life by the quality of that life...our identity in Christ by upholding His word ...that word of salvation...which is the illumination of who we are in the spirit of one word as it is the personality of all the words of scripture. This is how the bible describes the balance we experience in our lives. I am interpretating the Spirits activity of making our paths level in keeping us from being trapped in the confusion of who we are. Since I also interpret a trap as a miscommunication that is  characteristic  of an unbeliever.

I believe our identity is seperated from our old pagan identity. Just as we now are described as a saint all of our struggle is about a lack of understanding of who we are by word and Spirit. So we may trip in sin but we cannot fall into sin completely. Because our stuggle is not about the foundations of who we are but about the communication war with the world, flesh and the devil. We already are perfect and blameless but we lack the strength and faith to live in it. Living in it is thinking Gods thoughts after Him as described as not tripping.

I almost sound like Beacon... lol

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711  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: Mental Illness or Demonic possession? on: March 21, 2013, 10:34:10 AM
A number of years ago I was going through personal revival. It spilled over into the coporate worship. But I do believe that after this short time that Satan began to attack me. I went from rejoicing daily to a feirce battle. I can only explain this because I have the gift of fighting these battles in what I experience of going outside the box in Psalm chanting. Ive had some real conflict in my life in these times of intense meditation.

In different parts of my life I have experienced real victory in personal revival but then Satan comes in and changes the kind of support I get. He uses people to attack me and try to thwart the process of meditation and bringing the word of God to others. I know when the evil comes because it always involves dividing friends from bad counsel. I know the Devil is behind it when I see him draw these certian lines in the sand so to speak.
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712  Forums / Break Room / Re: Hungry heart on: March 21, 2013, 09:56:52 AM
Gods counsel is absolute. I mean that God is not pragmatic like man. All of mans ways are measured according in a legal sense. I mean God is the judge on His throne. But the mystery involves God judging as a Father. So we have in His counsel the curses of the law coming together with His blessing. God is both totally judgemental and absolutely unfailing in His love. So most problems in relationships can only be resolved in Gods judgement declaration. In Gods counsel there is always a complete verdict of every communication.This is why God separates Himself from all human institutions and authorities. We cannot find ultimate resolution in mans agency. There is a potential danger in embracing counsel that is cursed. Like touching a dead thing.

This is why these terms that are thrown around like resolution, shame, guilt,rejection,being wounded,addiction, etc have attached to them a certain price according to what we believe about God in light of our human relationships. Because every experience has a legal component in that resolution. I am not talking about human legality. I am talking about the absolute rules of God. Gods rules are not like mans rules. Man finds resolution in human relationships through the rules of human relationships. But God makes absolute judgements of condemnation on every evil intent of mans heart. This is why resolution is only found in Gods counsel alone. These secondary agencies create a false resolution by mans rules in an absolute sense.

Every human emotion has both negative and positive value by understanding this legal pronouncement in each judgment of guilt upon what God defines as abusive. So within each one of us is to come short of finding inner resolution in our inner conflict because we fail to see the legal declaration of God in cursing every false way. And in a sense not understanding the destructive process of thinking is like selling our birth rite for a pottage of stew.This is the danger of christian liberalism. The legal process is not absolute but its reduced to getting resolved on a human level.

This is why I try to write everything from scripture.
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713  Forums / Break Room / Re: Hungry heart on: March 20, 2013, 11:02:50 PM
The people who most watch over you I believe are family members. So if they do not meet these standards then God promises to put you in a family. God promises to become a father to the fatherless. He says that He puts the lonely in families. Ive never been one to focus on the sin of others toward me as the standard of rejection. I have a wish that their sinning has many reasons other than them thinking they could do it to make me feel rejected. Ive seen what sin does to families and there are a lot of reasons that have very little to do with our personal pain. People sin because it is fun. If they are enjoying their sin then maybe its worse for us to feel sorry for our self and out of that blame them for how we feel. It may be we sin in taking that misery on ourselves.

Ive lived a long time and seen families turn things around. So do not give up hope. The promises of God are directed to the helpless. Everyone faces things that are too strong for them. And the problems in families that affect us as we are young leave us with feeling being helpless and alone. So the bible talks about God being our refuge when we face these problems that are not necessarily our sins but the problems make it hard for us to feel accepted. This wish of God being our refuge is in His promise to defend us when we do not have the support we need. So we wish to reality that God would be our father and that He would meet our needs by other people who would come along our side and be like a family member. God alone establishes a righteous generation.

So we spend time thinking about how God buys back these things that are done in our lives that are not through the normal means. God redeems us in recreating us and our circumstances. He teaches us to wish for the renewal of our families. In pleading with God and wishing as He teaches us to think He promises to establish our way. He recreates our families.

We must  learn through the Psalms to be reduced to a little child where we bring up those innocent longings.  Because most of those longings are like the genunine part of our personality. When we are children the friuts of our personality are easily enjoyed. Fruit like , hope, joy, trust, and easily led to believe. But these innocent enjoyments are pushed down by our facing sorrows of growing up and hardness of our experience of the pain of adulthood. These desires have a kind of hardness that is pushing them down. So when we learn Gods heart language- its a father to a child. He uncovers these desires that have been long suppressed. We become reduced to talking to God like a wounded child. In this paradigm we uncover our innocence. It is the most emotional refuge that we will ever experience.
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714  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: God's Mind has been Reconciled on: March 20, 2013, 02:50:07 AM
Your point seems to me to say that the assurance of our being reconciled is left up to us to make it our experience. I agree that reconciliation is perfectly worked out in Gods mind. The problem is that we do not have a perfect understanding as God. This is why in my understanding of the teaching of scripture that our side of the christian experience is a confession of our being reconciled. I do not think that God has reconciled us to compare our knowledge of reconciliation with His, but that we might study His original work that He alone accomplished in us. When I study how we are to apply this teaching the bible uses the word to recon yourselves dead to sin. Which is in the way of a new conversion or christian repentance.

When we compare the knowledge of God with our understanding we are always confounded. Because all of this transaction of these effects as a matter of assurance come to us through God renewing us and all things. There is an ongoing reality of God recreating us back to our original position. God has brought the two parties together I e Jew and gentile in the work of Christ but we must address the question as to why there are still areas of disagreement? There is still a conflict even tho Christ work was a complete work.

We must look at this in a circumspect way acknowledging that God has not just left the work as a proclamation but He is bringing all things into submission in this divine reordering. Through this recreated process God is working it according to His governance over all the earth. When we look upon God in eternity we will see His perfect ,power, wealth, wisdom and strength,honor ,glory and praise. It will be a timeless view of His recreation work as a snap shot of all time.
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715  Forums / Break Room / Re: Hungry heart on: March 19, 2013, 03:14:24 PM

We must always start with what God thinks of us. We are what we think and in knowing God we know ourselves. Modern philosophy says we are what we do. What we do makes history. But the bible in creating us to be new reduces all of our experience to nothing so that God is glorified. We know love as present only because of the revealed God. This is why humanism is so destructive because its a doctrine of man to eliminate God and thus to be separated from love. There is only two realms. Life and death.

But at the same time God is miss understood by us. We know God is love but we do not always apprehend it. The bible does teach that God hides Himself from us. As well as the bible reducing man to be man it also is a book that is both simple and extremely complicated. It is a culture of language that is meta physical. So the communication level seems to be so withdrawn from modern day speech that we think its disconnected from practical every day things. Unfortunately we do not always excelled in something that is invisible speaking to us through revelation. But this spiritual language is Gods self talk about who we are and how our world is ordered. God communicated the word to meet our daily needs. When we hear Him speak its through a method of our prior knowledge of His word, that is our understanding of our world and our prior application of it through our experience. The more we become spiritually minded the more we are aware of what He is communicating to us.

From this daily communication comes a impressed wisdom on our minds. Its even a small voice saying for us to go in this direction, do it this way, the answer to our problem is this particular application etc. So we go from this language that is not common to very practical insights. But sometimes God hides Himself. So we feel up ended and confused.  I believe at these times God is doing something to move us in some way. Got  to go.
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716  Forums / Break Room / Re: Hungry heart on: March 19, 2013, 01:53:05 PM
Hunger for approval is part of our gift to survive. Unfortunately we live in a world that likes to present our experience as living in innocence. But the truth is everyone wants to survive and because we are sinners it is really a world were there is either danger or love. The truth is that God is first concerned to act toward us in kindness before He makes us better.

We all think about ourselves in the best way we can. I do not think we can image a self hate and survive. This is what is so strange about bible interpretation. Its focusing on the way that God has made us and how He teaches us to best address our personal needs. God is very concerned with how we view ourselves. Thats why the Father focuses on the Son as the only way to God. Because the Christ is the image of the Father. So the Father glorifies the Son. When there is any need in this world the Father shows forth the Son as the answer. We come to the Father to have our needs met and He says may My Son be exalted. Christ is the only door or entrance into rest. When Christ is exalted then everything is put in place.

God is very concerned for His own image. We are created to image the Son by not only looking on Him in His word but by our relationship with Him in light of our Father loving us. This is why redemption is so much bigger than we could imagine. Because we think that God is first concerned with our good works. But God who is beyond our understanding of power, goodness, faithfulness must come to us as we are and show us something that is beyond what we understand that is beyond our deepest need.

The world is conspiring to redefine Gods goodness. And we have a hard time believing that God wants the best for us and that He alone can meet our need even if we think it is impossible or that He is not concerned for the smallest physical things for us. But God comes to us on our level. If God were like an earthly father then He would only deal with us with human ability and incomplete knowledge. This is why He comes to us in a way that He binds Himself to His pre spoken promise to deal with us in His unfailing love. So what ever need we have cannot be strong enough for Him to withhold it because His unfailing love is Himself communicating perfectly to us answering what we lack. He offers His eternal arms open to us showing His availability so that He keeps us from growing weary in coming to Him to meet our needs. The Son is glorified and our needs are met.
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717  Forums / Main Forum / Re: Hating your sin.. on: March 19, 2013, 10:57:26 AM
The apostle is addressing this matter of obedience on the way we speak to one another and about one another. Our words order our salvation. I dont think he is addressing the community of believers with a threat. Because he says distinguishes the threatening environment as that of a generation that is crooked and depraved. And the christian community is to be sober minded and kind. We must speak in a way that befits the gospel of grace.

Its interesting that the apostle defends the believers by His aggressive pronouncement on the world. Of which he says to follow his pattern. So the fear of God is not something that causes the believers to fret but it surrounds the community with protection by the defense of those who speak the words of God. So when we are talking about fear and trembling its in the context of Gods severe judgement upon the world. I think this is picture as Christ coming to rescue David with burning coals on His lips.

This was Christ perfect word of deliverance that came through the power that He imparted to David. When we are talking about these words it is the power to pronounce life and death. Both eternal death and temporal death. The believer is infused with this power in the conflict or the hour of the most fiercest part. If you look this kind of confidence was supernatural. It was outside the box. So the power of grace in the words of God produce an endurance through our trials. Sometimes there is not immediate relief and we sink rather than feel the power. But the words go beyond our ability at in this low time. I think there is a time when we look back that we are able to boast.  I believe the apostle was addressing the christians who being in severe adversity needed to be encouraged not to fear man. 
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718  Forums / Main Forum / Re: Hating your sin.. on: March 17, 2013, 08:52:59 AM
Let me explain this by imagination. Hate is kind of like a person we have with us. We have a relationship with hate. The disagreements we have about teaching is what distinguishes our view of hate like that person. Hate is good if we understand the biblical context in our applying it in this life. We have tendencies as christians to embrace a destructive hate. As that person would attack us. But hate really is anything that is compared to Gods love. Nothing in this life is comparative.  So hate is not necessarily a display of disastifaction of things that offend God. But its applied in a way that we feel a sense of the futulity of this life. The Psalmist went into the temple to find God in a clear distinction of the value of heaven over this earth and concluded there was nothing that he desired on this earth. There is a proper application of hate that is not destructive. That person of hate will keep us from focusing on the lesser things in the way we reason.
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719  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: Reconciled on: March 17, 2013, 12:24:51 AM
Salvation has always been through Christ. The saints in the OT were saved in the same way that NT saints are saved. This is why the Psalmist compared the ot sacraments as nothing in comparison to Gods covenant love.  Approaching God according to His covenant love was their only confidence. Sacrifice and offering You did not desire. And even tho this was a daily part of their experience they understood its insignificance in comparison to this eternal salvation.

When we think correctly about salvation then we understand the weight of Gods works in His promise to carry out His salvation to us. All of Gods works are declared in the OT account of the lives of these saints. We are lifted above the daily sacrifices and the economics of the ot ceremonial law to see the miracles that God accomplished in His saving Israel from all of their enemies. We rejoice in all of these accounts as Gods redemption story.
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720  Forums / Main Forum / Re: Hating your sin.. on: March 16, 2013, 11:53:21 PM
Ive felt helpless at times to have the confidence to do something about my sin. The trials in our lives seem to magnify our weakness and we experience the weight of our sins. I think this is why Christ says that we are compared to weak sheep who wander. All we like sheep have gone astray. So we go through times in our lives where our trials and sin remind us of our need of Christ and we learn to depend upon ourselves less. Sometimes this can be very painful.

So we begin to complain in our lack of self confidence. You know that when God is near then all is well. There is nothing wrong with boasting in Christ. I would consider that a saint would hate the idols as a confession of a need to boast more in Christ.If you hate a thing that draws you away from having a sense of the eternal then your enjoyment is gonna keep you from the wrong focus of  your sin and hating yourself in the wrong way. In this sense our sin squeezes the sweetness of the grace out of of the fruit of our experience of our oneness with Christ. This is when we draw near out of a sense of helplessness and in that plea we we feel close to Christ because we are helpless.

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