1261	Members Only / Purgatory / Re: regarding the "You Win" thread...	on: May 12, 2012, 11:07:48 AM
I recognize everyone that has posted RR. abhd, la , jim.. pj...and all the posters who ive missed. i appreciate every ones contribution and the love they have expressed toward each other and through the prayers for one another. I too could have a drink with all of you. I just experience this as having slow times and then someone comes on and wants to express their struggles and beliefs. Not necessarily to write in carrying on a relationship but to encourage and write what is on their hearts. And you know when someone engages you that they are passionate about what they believe and i appreciate that. I just hope that we do not condemn something that someone has written... in the practical sections..but we try to lovingly disagree and leave it at that. I like Carolina because he lightened it up around here. But rite now this is where we are at so eventually things will change and get better.
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1262  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: My sheep hear My voice on: May 11, 2012, 09:57:22 AM Let me talk about obedience. Because obedience can be a work for salvation on either end of the order of salvation. Just because you put the work as a result of faith rather than a work needed to have faith does not necessarily mean its a different teaching. Because biblical work is a by product of faith and not produced as an action. This is why the apostle says that the result of faith is obedience from the heart. So that obedience is God proving that He is faithful rather than the end of faith as looking to ourselves by our actions. This is why the Psalmist never separated his obedience to the law with confession that he fell short of the law. Now listen to me there is a difference between outward conformity and obedience from the heart. And this is why the outward conformity was condemned by Christ because there are no short cuts in obedience from the heart. How did the Psalmist obey from the heart? When the Psalmist talked about the law covenant he responded in confession  of which was followed by a reminder of the grace covenant that all gifts and graces came from God alone and then the Psalmist spoke of obedience being Gods faithfulness in being good to him.So what the Psalmist was doing was obeying from the heart that led to him looking away from himself to Christ alone. And you see this is gospel obedience not two- line. lol And you see the apostle talking about following his pattern. And he is always describing the language of his heart with the end result that there is a confession rather than an arrogance that he has obeyed. lol And what are these confessions? One is that the apostle is obeying by thinking about his salvation in Ephesians and it leads to him praising God. Then we have the apostle thinking about his past life of legalism and it leads him to praise God because that person does not live any longer  but Christ lives in him. So the apostle experienced transparency of the heart. A proof that he was obeying from the heart. And then the apostle in looking at himself confessed that there was nothing good in him.. that what he wanted to do he could not do ....and it led him to confess that it was the grace of God that was his only ability. This is more than church work or loving someone. This is obedience from the heart. All of these things that we add to our faith are Christ centered and accomplished.. not a Christmas card positivism. Reply Quote Notify

1263  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: Without Christ on: May 11, 2012, 08:26:52 AM Let me make some distinctions here about how we have assurance of our salvation. And this is extremely important because we are creatures who hear things and then after awhile we are like the frog in the pan and we begin to assimilate way something is described. And these ways of God are kind of like a personality that we have but we are not entirely convinced that we have the full effects. And as you know the Devil had his success in the garden by presenting a truth that was somewhat true but it had some very deceptive temptations. So we see that man was not entirely convinced that the goodness that he possessed when given an opportunity as being confronted with another option was moved to see how in that temptation he had begun to experience some adverse effects in his own soul. And this is the way we are. We begin with grace and we have peace but then we do not believe that the grace that we first experience could be a continuous enjoyment because obviously those things that are simple and effective seem to be to good for us to believe. And so we spend a lot of time listening to how salvation is described and we are not alerted that they throw us into anxiety. I think this is because we are not convinced that all the things that were necessary for us to enjoy peace with God were given to us through identity. And this is why we need to be very detailed in how we advance in our own self talk. Because Calvinism is extremely hard to learn so that we grow in confidence by just remaining in the grace that we have been given. And this is why the kind of communication as a culture of religious teaching is kind of like the devil introducing ideas to the first man. As i have said that most of the opposition that we experience in this life is not just a matter of teaching and learning but its going to come at us with force and threats. Because we are experiencing something that is actively opposed to evil and treachery. And so the very nature of the new life in us is like a person who is on a mountain and because he experiences this life everyone wants to knock him off of the mountain of his confidence. And so we are in danger of not holding onto something that is so valuable that we think we do not deserve it. But this is why the apostle says that our lives are lived by reckoning it to be so. And this is not normal in a world were facts are determined by the actual work we perform and receive a reward. So most men describe the christian life as if God was going to take us to this place where we experience the destruction of ourselves and then we are free. And so they tell us that simply reckoning it to be so is just an imagination of our own making. But what we need to understand is that salvation is not something that we experience in stages but its a way of thinking and reckoning. This is why liberalism is so dangerous because its kind of like a mixture of armininism and calvinism that will end in the destruction of all that is good about grace. In other words there is a kind of Calvinism that is like worm theology. And its the teaching of the will that is not entirely correct. Let me say this that Calvinism is a doctrine that teaches that we reckon it to be so and we begin to live in a way that is stouthearted. Because Calvinism is God centered. And if God is not faithful in the way that He provided salvation then we are only left to the experience of the destruction of our wills in our salvation. And we are left on our own without any confidence that salvation is by grace alone through faith alone. And in my opinion we must fight this worm theology as much as we fight against the wicked. The is exactly what the pharisees were proposing to the Galatians. They were saying that the grace of God was not enough and they needed to do this other thing to be accepted by God. And so all that the apostle was saying about reckoning lost its power of keeping them in a rest that was designed to give them real power and success.    Reply Quote Notify

1264  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: What is your average daily Bible and praying time? on: May 10, 2012, 04:07:36 PM Quote Poppy .....Tom, you are an inspiration, while in metatation and prayer today, pls mention me, that I need an intervention from THS Thanks Poppy... may God bless you and keep you... i will try to be an encouragement to you as much as possible. Reply Quote Notify

1265  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: Without Christ on: May 10, 2012, 03:33:19 PM Quote from: Lone Arranger on May 10, 2012, 02:00:08 PM Quote You must distinguish between the value of a person and the history of his accomplishments and not put him in this narrow argument I said, quote, "Martin Luther was a great theologian who served God..."  It's your tag line I object to.  We don't need to use words like "whore" here, especially as a tag line every time we post.   We are speaking past one another. I wasnt referring to the first part of the quote but to this " but he is also well known as a misogynist." Which is a pretty big charge ..do you have proof that he abused women?... not just complaining. Its know that he was married and had a good relationship with his wife. ....mi·sog·y·nist   noun a person who hates, dislikes, mistrusts, or mistreats women. Reply Quote Notify

1266  Members Only / Purgatory / Re: regarding the "You Win" thread... on: May 10, 2012, 03:00:39 PM Quote from: JimR on May 10, 2012, 02:04:07 PM Considering the name-calling your posts have engaged in, MBG, you'll possibly understand that your comment of "I actually like Jim" seems more than a little unbelievable. As for your last sentence - That was never the subject of my posts to begin with. I apologize... Reply Quote Notify

1267  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: Without Christ on: May 10, 2012, 02:56:01 PM Quote from: Lone Arranger on May 10, 2012, 12:43:00 PM Quote This is salvation to overcome and in the end receive a crown. I couldn't disagree with this statement more.  This is the epitome of the salvation by works heresy.  Salvation is by faith alone in Christ alone.  If it was up to me, or any of us, we all would be hopelessly lost.  "For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God...," 1 Peter 3:18.  "For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God...," Ephesians 2:8.  It's a GIFT, get it?  A gift is given free and clear, otherwise it's not a gift! I'm also offended by the Martin Luther quote that is automatically added to each of your post.  Martin Luther was a great theologian who served God by freeing people from the domination of the Catholic Church, but he is also well known as a misogynist.  Consider some of these Martin Luther quotes: ~The word and works of God is quite clear, that women were made either to be wives or prostitutes. Martin Luther, Works 12.94 ~Even though they grow weary and wear themselves out with child-bearing, it does not matter; let them go on bearing children till they die, that is what they are there for. Martin Luther, Works 20.84 ~God created Adam master and lord of living creatures, but Eve spoilt all, when she persuaded him to set himself above God's will. 'Tis you women, with your tricks and artifices, that lead men into error. ~We may well lie with what seems to be a woman of flesh and blood, and yet all the time it is only a devil in the shape of a woman. What I object to in your automatically posted quote is the word "Whore."  Surely you can find a more appropriate quote than that to be your tag line.  Don't forget, Jesus loved Whores just as much as the rest of us sinners.  Let me explain overcoming. The universe is described as having two people at war with each other. Satan who is the prince and power of the air and God who is sovereign over all things including Satan. Until Christ comes back to judge the living and the dead ... renew the earth by fire we are still in the state of sin and death. So we are at war with Satan as Ephesians talks about in the armor section and we are at war with ourselves because we still deal with sin and death. But since Christ has conquered death , sin and Satan we now have the same resurrection power. In the ot they fought hand to hand combat with the nations. But in the New Covenant we are fighting against invisible forces in the heavenlies.They were taking a small part of the earth. We are taking the whole earth. lol David was ruling one nation... we are ruling the earth. They struggle with the threat of physical death by being wounded in their battles .. we are struggling with spiritual forces that want to destroy our souls. What i am saying is that instead of the battle becoming smaller it actually has been intensified and magnified to include taking the whole earth. Because the Lamb who purchased the elect has ascended to His throne. He now has taken captivity captive and is ruling from the heavens. But until the last saint is killed and Satan is bound in hell for eternity there is gonna be all the earthly evils and all the spiritual evils that are practiced by wicked men. The promise to overcome is a Davidic promise. "To David and his descendents forever." And as the apostle says we are to put on the armor for the evil day.    Reply Quote Notify

1268  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: Without Christ on: May 10, 2012, 02:44:12 PM Quote from: Lone Arranger on May 10, 2012, 02:00:08 PM Quote You must distinguish between the value of a person and the history of his accomplishments and not put him in this narrow argument I said, quote, "Martin Luther was a great theologian who served God..."  It's your tag line I object to.  We don't need to use words like "whore" here, especially as a tag line every time we post.  whore is a biblical word. Babylon the whore. Reply Quote Notify

1269  Forums / Break Room / Re: Any advice, back/hip problem on: May 10, 2012, 01:47:27 PM Get on a leg machine and do 100 (in sets) leg curls on front and 100 back. As a routine.  Thats the natural motion of your body and it will strength you butt, hamstrings ,thighs and you calves.. yes calves believe it or not. But then you will have better weight distribution... Reply Quote Notify

1270  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: Without Christ on: May 10, 2012, 12:49:34 PM You must distinguish between the value of a person and the history of his accomplishments and not put him in this narrow argument. Abraham lied about his wife to Ahab and put her in a position of danger. Which is worse that complaining about women. I just think we are so influenced by the greek mindset. We take our heros and destroy them but do not consider that a lot of people were protected and saved by what they did. This is why i am very detailed about these nt ideas coming from the Jewish culture. Because they were influenced the other way which is not barbaric. lol They actually worshiped their people. And thats why they are very successful today. Jews stick together and watch out for each other while gentiles throw each other under the bus. lol    Reply Quote Notify

1271  Members Only / Purgatory / Re: regarding the "You Win" thread... on: May 10, 2012, 12:38:50 PM I actually like Jim even tho i dont agree with him. And if i was not writing on these forums and not concerned about the correct doctrines in a church sense then i probably would be having a drink with him. But i just stopped because i was not having fun. It was to practical for me. And i purposed to not get into stuff that needs to be only in real relationships. I just think thats searching for something that is not real. I actually go to a site that bickers because its fun and gives me the understanding that we are not that important. Now if he wants to discuss our differences in theology i would do that. Reply Quote Notify

1272  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: Without Christ on: May 10, 2012, 11:52:41 AM I want to warn you about a liberal theologian. I have been positive as much as i can but you got to understand that anytime at any place.. no matter if we are engaged in real combat that we really are not in a physical universe of enemies. But actually we can experience shock in a spiritual way just as if we were home from war. And this is what is so confusing about this world. Because of the way we form our ideas we just think the danger is over in the middle east. But you see that those same soldiers who flourish over in real battle cannot deal with this spiritual battle at home. The worse thing you can do to someone is tell them that the battle has already been fought and we are in the golden age. Because that really is placing yourself as God. But the spiritual battle is more intense and more real than these other battles. And really any kind of battle we are in .. the battle of life or a real battle we still must face the opposition in our own minds in order to apply ourselves to the reality of evil. And you see this in the Psalms. They are the scripture that cannot be broken. So that the same lamb described is the fierce warrior in the battle psalms. You error by dividing the man by his experiences. And we see this in the first Psalm that describes a righteous man as distinct from a wicked man.  This is salvation to overcome and in the end receive a crown. And the only way we are going to over come is to fight the good fight. As i said at my sons graduation. He is now going to learn to fight the good fight. You cannot be saved if your not in the battle.     Reply Quote Notify

1273  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: Proverbs 31 on: May 10, 2012, 11:29:03 AM I enjoy acting and watching actors. Because i like to see a creation of something that produces an effect. Not necessarily the physical response but the emotion or production of the real character as that person sees them. And so in a sense we all have this image that is in front of us that is like the person we imagine we are acting. And so other people who are looking on have an image of what we imagine that person to be. And i think there is a communication going on. And so there is a sense in which we can create something that is so real that it actually is responded to by other people as looking like we cannot distinguish between a creation of that character and actually becoming that character. But i believe this is the goal of acting. To convince people that you were that person so they look at you in real life as if you actually did not distinguish. But this I believe is an art form in which we are able to feel a sense that what we are looking on in the physical universe is experienced beyond the normal way the thing looks. So we can become as it were something beyond the normal by experiencing everything as if we were looking at the face of God. And i believe that we can find gifts that havent been experienced by anyone. The gifts that God gives for the search. And this is why there is hope and encouragement in this universe. Its because God can be found in ways that have not been experience by prior generations. I believe we can get more of the Spirit in this way.   Reply Quote Notify

1274  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: Proverbs 31 on: May 10, 2012, 11:15:19 AM I have told people that the goal as a young person is to get wisdom. How do we get wisdom? Well we search for it like we are searching for a million dollars. Because wisdom is personified into a creator of sorts. Its described as a person we learn to know that creates our future. And its funny because we think wisdom is going to make us this multi faceted person but actually it draws us into true love. Wisdom draws us into a desire that cannot be satisfied. So wisdom brings us to heights of joy and then it builds these convictions in us that have no connection to our outside experience. And so the more we long for wisdom the more we will find Gods will in His precepts, commands, decrees and promises. Because wisdom was present when God order all things from before the world began. So wisdom was like a spectator who received all the effects of looking on this God. God who created the physical things is seen in His throne ruling by these attributes that are the end of all the physical things existing to the end of time.  So God rules every inch of the universe. And so wisdom is kind of like having a God consciousness as looking at the creation and feeling, experiencing, rejoicing, and looking on God himself. Now if you seek wisdom you will find the face of God. And this is why God gives us all gifts to enjoy. He gives us families, wives, children, and all these other things to enjoy. But our greatest enjoyment is not the things themselves but its the gift giver. And this is why we can make other people our gods. If we do not understand the distinctions and we learn the wrong value of a created thing then they replace our love for God and we will seek to search for happiness in the enjoyment of this life.This is why through wisdom we find the rite distinctions about things and people.   Reply Quote Notify

1275	Forums / Theology Forum / Re: Proverbs 31	on: May 10, 2012, 10:57:21 AM
This is a very encouraging section. I like to see harmony. And i enjoy the fact that the husbands are doing some of the help around the house. I currently am the stay at home mr mom so ive learned a little about doing these things. But at the same time i have other goals in mind as well. And these are gifts beyond the ordinary ones that we give to one another. These gifts are spiritual gifts. I think all of us are gifted in one way and we can add gifts. I believe that our homes are not really service oriented but they are places like a sanctuary. So what our goal is to make them the most free exercise of worship and rejoicing. This is why the apostle says before he gives the general responsibilities of the husband and wife that we are to do this in the free Spirit of worship. Singing Psalms, Hymns , spiritual songs. And this is more than just a mechanical or sexual relationship but this is a relationship where there is a special kind of friendship. The friends are actually a reflection of what is going on in their own souls. So there is a communication going on in the silence of the relationship. This friendship is not just fellowship but its one person covering over the obvious flaws of the other. Because God has made it that if we are a traitor to our partner then we betray our own self. And there is a sense that we are encouraged to go beyond our own mold so to speak and find more transparency before God so that the marriage becomes free of being bound by other lovers. And this is the most glorious experience when we are both have our souls aligned before God. And it does not mean that we are perfect. But the goal of closeness is two people who may be severely damaged to grow together through experiencing free grace. And this may be that we become the strength were our wives are weak and they become our strength where we are weak. How do we know that we are one if we do not understand the potential we have as God knows us? Obviously if we knew what the other person was thinking all the time then we could be God. But it is our spiritual worship that brings us to a better understanding of ourselves because God who is our Father promises to mold us into His beloved children. He says that He actually is like a surgeon who operates on us and frees us from our old wants and desires. And because we are one in marriage God actually uses our wives or husbands in this new life giving creation to make us more whole.  And these things that we cannot see but experience as we are created through our singing and rejoicing are things we could never attempt because we do not see the whole picture and we do not understand how God has determined to mold us into one. With this goal in mind then we will see these spiritual gifts began to appear.       1276  Forums / Main Forum / Re: If you can't feed 'em, don't breed 'em. on: May 09, 2012, 07:25:40 PM The church is like a hospital. Its not a social networking agency. Its a place were the gospel provides the basis of the security of its members. So the members are affect in an indirect way when they branch out into society. They get their confidence and support.. both emotional and teaching at church so they can minister in the community. The basis of the authority of the church is the teaching and oversight. Its a hospital just like the gospel is the cause of the action. So the church provides the family security as the works are a by product of grace. In a sense the church takes all of the blows and provides the defense as a shepherd protects the sheep from the wolves. I think thats why Austin says that the church is a whore but its your mother because of the impossibly as the responsible advocate to uphold that kind of provision. lol Reply Quote Notify 1277  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: Without Christ on: May 09, 2012, 06:14:07 PM We do not know how to use the gospel as medicine so we invent ways to make the gospel a kind of process of learning. And we are always saying that He is the potter and we are the clay that is forever being molded. But this is a very bad interpretation. Actually its saying that God decides who is gonna be the pots and who is gonna be the broken vessel fit to discard into eternal punishment. But we are really pots with a lot of cracks in them. But if we put away our childish learning then we can learn that the answer is always been at our finger tips. The answer is learning the gospel in which all the work has already been accomplished and God has already made us beautiful pots but we are not there yet. So God exalts His work by showing use the value of it as compared to all the physical things of value in this world. The gospel is the gospel of God. The gospel is a determined work of God that produces in us something that we could never fathom. Because the gospel of God is brought to us by a loving Father. And this Father is telling us that not only are we unworthy of its value but we are unable in ourselves to produce the effects that the gospel will produce in our lives. The drawing power of the gospel is that its for people who do not have the power to produce its effects. So our Father treats us as dust. He pity's us. Now you would think that God would only show His power through our power. Because we naturally think that God accepts us based upon our sharing in His work. But actually God only allows Himself to have all the glory. So because we naturally want to be independent of Him then He must destroy our wanting to be independent and give us a completely dependent will. And this is why some people react when we focus on the gospel and it is void of any pragmatism. Because the confession of dependence looks so weak and narcissistic that we are easy prey for those self willed religious people. But we really believe that God is absolutely sovereign and He does what ever pleases Him. Now this is absolutely essential that we hold to a completely sovereign God or what He does to us can become a form of abuse. We can lower God to our own hurt.   Reply Quote Notify 1278  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: Without Christ on: May 09, 2012, 05:14:04 PM I think this is a good place to talk about liberalism and the gospel. Because my brother here as made a good confession. But i think we naturally try to avoid the messy sayings of the gospel in order to keep ourselves from sounding foolish. And so its easy for us to use our own way of saying something because after all we will be rewarded as christians. But one of the parts of the gospel in order for it to be the pure and whole gospel is how we make our confession about ourselves and God. So in a sense the gospel is something that we speak about that makes us feel a sense of smallness in order for it to produce the effect and keep us from sharing in its power. And so we must always focus on the major points of the gospel and that is reminding us who we are and who God is. And this whole position of how we develop a desire that grows as we speak is that we do not avoid the mechanics of the message. And this is exactly the point of speaking about something that shows that we have a deep desire and conviction about what we are talking about. Because we can very easily speak about something as if we were arguing for our point without really finding the heart of the single focus. The psalmist calls this his one desire. And the Psalmist sort of rises to God through his prayers that are made in the way the gospel is put that answers all the needs in the soul of man. And so this one desire is like our message of the gospel that produces the effect as if we were enjoying a feast and then we leave completely satisfied that we have tasted its delights. Because the attraction of the gospel is that no matter how we speak or are cultured .. the gospel is described as the only message that crosses all cultures and makes men love one another in this backwards way of being so focused on this one desire because we have spoken the gospel to ourselves as it is the lover of our souls. So this is the most important part of the epistemology of the gospel. Its to understand the mechanics of the gospel so that it creates in us a foreign love of that one desire that draws men into a freedom and a focus as if they were in the presents of God Himself.   Reply Quote Notify 1279  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: What is your average daily Bible and praying time? on: May 09, 2012, 03:17:41 PM We have a promise in the wisdom books that God will bless the man who meditates on His word. The word is not just a way for the righteous but it is life. So the word is a pronouncement of the King that He will hold all the earthly rulers to this one rule. Because the word is the one rule of God. So the word is the counsel of God and its the only legitimate answer to the soul of man. Why is the word the cause of all the blessings in a mans life? Because the word must be implanted in the soul of man by regeneration before it begins to grow into a big tree. It provides man with the only reality of the understanding of the blessed life as opposed to the cursed life. The reason the word is the only answer is because it is a promise of God that we can never be shaken.So the word gives us the only conviction that God is always faithful. The counsel of the word is absolutely necessary because its the only wisdom that is provided to us to enliven our faculties. So the word is the only spiritual call that speaks life to our faculties. The only other option are dead idols that cannot speak, hear, touch or taste or walk. The word actually provides the believer with a single path to walk on. We call this the path of blessing. The righteous man may have many problems but the Lord delivers him from them all. How does the Lord deliver the righteous man from all of his problems? Well the word speaks to us in the morning.And we have the counsel of the Holy Spirit in the night. And this counsel provides us the basis of our hope. Because men always say who can show us any good? The natural man is a faithless man. And our answer of faith is Let the light of your face shine upon us oh Lord. There is a response to the light of Gods countenance in us by filling us with joy greater than when their new wine abounds. The word is the only real food that can satisfy a man and cause him to walk in the path of blessing. Reply Quote Notify 1280  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: What is your average daily Bible and praying time? on: May 09, 2012, 01:53:13 PM I like the part in this play Godspell where Jesus talks about the two things that are sought in this world. And its funny because in this play the characters act out the words of Jesus. And Jesus says that you cant love God. The actors look over at Jesus like...What? You cant love God? Then Jesus finishes the statement.. And Money. And they respond..."Oh money!"... This is the oldest truism or saying of history. What does Jesus say? He says for either you will love one and hate the other or you will love the other and hate the one. Bless the greedy or curse the greedy are the only two options. No in between. What does He mean by hate? He means that you would be willing to give up one for the other. You would be willing to give up your money and status for Jesus. And sometimes He leads you rite down that road in life. Would you be willing to lose every thing in order to gain eternal life? The psalmist says that Jesus was filled with zeal for the will of His Father. He was so zealous that He endure the scorn of men in order to in the end be surrounded by those who scorned Him so that He could have a reason to curse them. And this is what kind of zeal is required in order to seek His kingdom first. Its to remove all the obstacles that get in the way of what we are seeking and focusing on. Its to be willing to endure scorn for the sake of taking up your cross. You see that when we are led down the path of salvation that word we are longing for becomes the only thing we can depend upon. We cease to grasp the things of this world. The end of our faith is to store all of our riches in heaven. Its to hold onto the eternal things so that we have a loose grip on the things of this world. If we are led down this path we can rejoice in this experience. This is finding deliverance. This is the word coming alive in us. Not something we read as a novel.   Reply Quote Notify 1281  Members Only / Purgatory / Re: the way we treat each other on: May 08, 2012, 07:44:54 PM I ve been on this site since 2005 and everyone ive read is important to me. And its because of the freedom that we all experience of being in grace. I havent seen to many fights here over these many years. Thanks for encouraging us in grace once more Jenni. Reply Quote Notify 1282  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: What is your average daily Bible and praying time? on: May 08, 2012, 07:05:33 PM I m too afraid about myself and what i could do and say not to go in an out of meditation all day and nite when i am awake. Reply Quote Notify 1283  Members Only / Purgatory / Re: regarding the "Good Wife" thread... on: May 08, 2012, 06:40:36 PM Quote from: JimR on May 08, 2012, 06:38:03 PM The above is more mere imagination.  Here's why: The posts which are imagination-based in what they say are yours.  This thread proves that repeatedly.  You have made multiple accusations on this thread that are nothing more than imagination based.  I just pointed out 5 above.  Were I to list them all, it would take AWHILE.  Some of your imagination-based accusations are quite bizzare; such as the following: I haven't tried to dictate to you what you should say or do - That is one more imagination on your part. As I said, I'll get to that previous post. All youve done are two things. Accuse Gman of offering a womens view of submission as being abusive and calling my repeating back to you what you said and did... imaginative. Thats the facts . lol Reply Quote Notify 1284  Members Only / Purgatory / Re: regarding the "Good Wife" thread... on: May 08, 2012, 06:17:02 PM Quote from: JimR on May 08, 2012, 05:53:38 PM And the imaginary accusations continue. I haven't threatened you in the slightest way.  That's your imagination. There is nothing in my posts anywhere that even HINTS about insecurity of what I've said.  Far from it.  That's your imagination too. Whatever you imagine I've been "teaching" - That's your imagination too.  I haven't "counseled"; I haven't "taught"; I've explained our A.I. group to folks who have asked, yes, but that's not the same. The idea that I haven't substantiated what I've said about you posting imaginings is one "whopper" of an imagination.   So is your "suspicion." That's 5.  And that's just in the above - There are plenty more. Now...I promise to explain why your "apples and oranges" assertion is yet ANOTHER imagination.  That will take a little time, so it will be later.  In the meantime, do you think you can hold off making any more imaginary accusations?   A simple "yes" or "no" will do.     I havent made any accusations im just responding to what youve said. I never said that your post was imaginative. You said i said that. And i Jimbo even if you were to convince me that i was imaginative i still would hold to my position because i like myself too much to let you dictate to me what i should be thinking and doing. Eventually i would find the truth... myself... thank you. lol Can we get to the doctrine so i can wipe you off this place. You know i was just kidding. Im having fun. Reply Quote Notify 1285  Members Only / Purgatory / Re: regarding the "Good Wife" thread... on: May 08, 2012, 05:40:19 PM Jim i like myself so i am not one bit affect by your threats. In fact i welcome you aggressive language because it shows me that your not entirely secure about your position. As i have said that confession is to God alone and He alone can forgive. The only repentance is repentance from dead works. You may be teaching some kind of morals but thats about it. Dont confuse this with christian teaching. But of course i suspect you will water it down and not make proper distinctions.  After all i get a repeated. .its just in my imagination with no substance.    Reply Quote Notify 1286  Members Only / Purgatory / Re: regarding the "Good Wife" thread... on: May 08, 2012, 05:22:27 PM Quote from: JimR on May 08, 2012, 05:14:08 PM And the imaginary assertions and false accusations continue.  Here's where and how and why you're wrong - again: I have already answered you regarding the article and Carolina's posts, and my posts concerning his posts in that thread.  The idea that that article is merely about "submission" is another imagination on your part; quite the "whopper" too.  And my posts addressed what Carolina's post said about that article (definite endorsement) and what his MANY other posts have said regarding how he views women and what he expects of them - They are to be servants and used/exploited. I did NOT tell him - EVER - that he needed to come to my A.I. group.  That is yet ANOTHER imagination on your part.  I did and so say that MANY of his statements in that thread are the SAME as the statements guys in our A.I. group said.  And I said that because it is the truth. I have already explained to you that not all the guys there were ordered there by a judge, but you keep foisting the false and imaginary accusation. I do agree with your statement that you don't know what I've been talking about - Your repeated imaginings and false accusations prove that again and again and again and again and again. JR Jim i like myself. And when i read something its not an imagination. You repeatedly told him that you had experience and he was a prime suspect that needed the class. In fact you started on with all the propaganda as if you were an imaginary prosecutor. I was even scared.. lol... If i were carolina i would almost want to get a defense lawyer. Because you slandered him on line. But this is a christian site and we try to get along even with those who think they are trained at something. But of course you retreat after you act like a professional and say that your not a counselor... i am confused. When Jesus speaks of “judging” here, He is NOT saying it is wrong to examine or evaluate things such as ideas/teachings, or behaviors/ lifestyles.  Many people quote this verse to support the (ridiculous) idea that we should NEVER analyze/evaluate, or criticize or say that anyone or anything is wrong.    Our society hates absolutes – especially theological and moral absolutes.  Many people – including many professing Christians – prefer to speak about all-inclusive “love”, and tolerance, and unity.  If you have strong convictions about something – especially in terms of what’s true and what’s false, and what’s right and what’s wrong – and if you speak your convictions and take a decisive stand on doctrinal/moral issues, you are branded as a violator of this verse and are seen as a troublemaker or, at best, controversial.  Admission of how you've been and what you've done.  Ownership of what you've done and that you are responsible for you. Resolve - with God's grace/help - to move towards positive change.  Learn new strategies and techniques.  Apply them. Every day. This is like apples and oranges... what does this half to do with Jesus teaching? He says to cover over wrongs.   Reply Quote Notify 1287  Members Only / Purgatory / Re: regarding the "Good Wife" thread... on: May 08, 2012, 05:04:14 PM Carolina introduced an article written by a woman about being submissive. You accused Carolina of being abusive by introducing the article. Those are the facts. And you told him that he needed to come to your class of abusers who were ordered by a judge to attend. There is nothing ive said about your accusations that have been wrong. I dont know what you are talking about and i dont know how you get abuse and your class together with a person who gives his opinion on key life. Im not following you. Reply Quote Notify 1288  Members Only / Purgatory / Re: regarding the "Good Wife" thread... on: May 08, 2012, 03:49:20 PM Quote from: JimR on May 08, 2012, 03:43:40 PM Again - I have not been "a counselor" on that therad.  I have not done any "counseling."  Repeat the false and imaginary accusation a thousand times over if you like - It will still be false and imaginary.  I have explained this to you multiple times.  Your continued ignoring of this is not a good thing. Yes but you want the facts. Well heres the facts.. you like the guy who comes on a construction job that tells these carpenters who have almost finished the house that they do not know what they are doing. And since youve learned these five principles of building your sure that the house is imaginary and the carpenters are presenting something that they did not build. lol Now these carpenters have 30 yrs of experience and this person who acts like hes a carpenter with his 5 principles is gonna know how to build the house? Whos imagining things? Reply Quote Notify 1289  Members Only / Purgatory / Re: regarding the "Good Wife" thread... on: May 08, 2012, 03:38:01 PM Quote from: JimR on May 08, 2012, 03:33:42 PM Sorry, but the above is just mere accusations, using spiritual-sounding language.  It is also wrong, and here's why and how:  First of all, you are not "The Determiner" here of who speaks the words of God and who doesn't.  How silly and worse for you to presume that you are!  Secondly, and in view of what I just said - Since you have been told multiple times about the name-calling, and the proven imaginary and false accusations that have been in your posts; and since I'm not alone by a long shot in seeing what Carolina's posts show - Guess which one of us is more than likely NOT speaking God's words and is in error?     As a counselor who represents the christian view.. how much of the wisdom of God have you put in your heart? Sir.. you want the facts dont you? Reply Quote Notify 1290  Members Only / Purgatory / Re: regarding the "Good Wife" thread... on: May 08, 2012, 03:27:26 PM Quote from: JimR on May 08, 2012, 03:18:00 PM Well, your doctrinal position isn't working too well, considering that you've been told more than once about name-calling.  Your posts have also made imaginary and false accusations.  You do this right here in the above - I haven't "counseled" at all on that "good wife" thread.  I've explained this to you more than once.  What I've done is expose.  And do not lose sight of the fact that I am not alone in seeing what I've said.    Like I said earlier - Carolina has played "poke the bear with a stick" for YEARS on this board with his posts regarding viewing women being mere servants and objects to be used/exploited.  Well, guess what?  The bears are starting to growl about it.  And rightly so.   The only person who i have confronted on this site in this way is you. Because you do not speak the words of God after him so you error and go head long into it. If Ive spoken my own words in my writings then i have written imaginary tales but if i have spoken the words of God then your imagining things. How much of the word have you memorized? Just doing this to defend myself.