I never said or suggested that the girl is imaginary.  Here you go again - Making things up! And what you're saying in your posts is doing a LOT more than merely warning me about my tongue.  How minimizing for you to try to say that that's what you're doing. As ive said my doctrinal position prevents me from offending people and using my tongue to destroy. If you want to call that imaginary then try to find me telling someone they are abusive in a counseling situation on this site. I did get heated with Kk but we always took time out to hug. Thats not imaginary thats fact. lol

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1292  Members Only / Purgatory / Re: regarding the "Good Wife" thread... on: May 08, 2012, 03:06:51 PM Quote from: JimR on May 08, 2012, 03:01:25 PM I'm sorry that your posts show more imagination than they do anything else. I m just warning about your tongue. Thats all i can do and that girl is not imaginary. Reply Quote Notify

1293  Members Only / Purgatory / Re: regarding the "Good Wife" thread... on: May 08, 2012, 03:00:27 PM Quote from: JimR on May 08, 2012, 02:59:13 PM In terms of what I "should" do, I believe I've done it.  You don't agree.  Guess what?  That's kind of why we're here on this board.  As for what Carolina said to Patti - there is no "if."   As for there being someone afraid of me - She can private message me and we can talk if she wants.  As for your self-accolades - To be very candid - Yes, I'm sure you're quite convinced of them. Im so sorry you have this on your conscience. Reply Quote Notify

1294  Members Only / Purgatory / Re: regarding the "Good Wife" thread... on: May 08, 2012, 02:52:25 PM Quote from: JimR on May 08, 2012, 02:49:20 PM Correction:  I have not "counseled" as you accuse.  I've explained that more than once.  I've exposed.  That is something different.  And I remind you again - I'm not alone in what I've seen and have been posting about.  As for your idea that the first "rule" of a Christian is to be "nice" - If allowing or saying it's "okay" for Carolina to post remarks such as he did to Patti - if that is "nice" in your eyes - then there is nothing more for you and I to say to each other. I dont know about Patti but if Carolina did this he needs to talk to Patti. And there is another girl on here who is deathly afraid of you. You know what you should do. I purposely do not get into battles with people about some things because i am smart. But i have confidence that i am not one to use my tongue like a sword and then enjoy twisting it in.  I only avoid things because of doctrinal issues. Reply Quote Notify

1295  Members Only / Purgatory / Re: regarding the "Good Wife" thread... on: May 08, 2012, 02:40:30 PM First i know God is on my side because your not being nice. And thats the first rule of a christian is to be nice. I like to be a kind person. Thats why i have never accused someone in a direct counseling situation on this site of a false motive or offended anyone. The bible says that if we offend our brothers we are to make it rite before we offer our gifts. And this is kind of like a church setting. So i know my conscience is clear. Im appealing to you to make it rite to this person. Reply Quote Notify

1296  Members Only / Purgatory / Re: regarding the "Good Wife" thread... on: May 08, 2012, 02:26:03 PM Sir the bible says do not accuse a man when he has done you no wrong. Why do you think this is? Because its not your business. The reason that its not your business is because you do not know Carolina. You just know someone who happens to write opinions on a web site. So you have no rite to say because he introduces an article written by a women who was expressing genuine love for her husband through acts of submission to then assume that Carolina was introducing this article as a way to abuse women. This woman has a rite to express her feelings without you condemning her writing. There is nothing wrong with writing something you think will help other people even if its a little extreme. Everyone on this site has a rite to express their opinion without being judged for it. Or accused of needing to attend a forced abuse class. Even disagreeing with you is acceptable. I know your making it seem like an evil thing. But i actually am proud of myself and feel totally comfortable that God is on my side. lol Reply Quote Notify

1297  Members Only / Purgatory / Re: regarding the "Good Wife" thread... on: May 08, 2012, 01:59:43 PM Quote from: JimR on May 08, 2012, 01:39:25 PM MBG - I thanked jennie for what she said because I am thankful for what she said.  I make no apology for that at all.  If you wish to mischaracterize my giving thanks in the ridiculous manner you did above, that's up to you. As for "behaviors", I have not behaved like a Pharisee because YOU say so.  What I have done in my posts is to point out what Carolina's posts do show.  I have dealt with what he has written; the black print on the blue page.  I haven't engaged in "behaviors"; I've engaged with the "content" of his posts and what that content shows. Nor am I alone in what I've seen.  If you have read other posts, you know full well that other posters have said that what Carolina's posts say show cluelessness, insensitivity, absurdity, living in a fantasy world, one-sidedness and etceteras.  You are really trying hard to make me the only one who is seeing what I'm seeing, and it's just not working, nor will it.  It's not just me, MBG - Not by a long shot. I haven't 'put' jenni in any position.  She IS the moderator.  She had that position before the thread ever began.  It is not her fault nor is it my fault that your posts and Carolina's have engaged in name-calling that have warranted her attention and directives to you to not do that. Jim But your actual argument towards the article about women was that the whole article shows that Carolina needs to go to this group where men abuse their girlfriends and wives. Those men who got in trouble with a judge. And Carolinas article did not even have abuse as a motive. It was written by a woman. lol Talk about stirring the pot.  Reply Quote Notify

1298  Members Only / Purgatory / Re: regarding the "You Win" thread... on: May 08, 2012, 01:29:42 PM I agree Jen but its not who did what or who thinks they did something (and i dont think you meant to imply that just how Jim comes across.)but its the actual words that have been said not only to Gerald but in the past when you were not here. I dont think any of my comments have been meant to harm Jim. I just see his post and writing and that is what i am concerned about. If people here lie to him then show the inconsistencies in our writing. He can do that with me. And since this has become an issue i would encourage you to look at the archives. I would rather have LM writing in these relationship sections because ive had experience of her responding to me when i was struggling and Jim responding to me. LM will not come back as long as Jim is here ...i dont think. The only reason im bringing the past up is because he hasnt changed his aggressive writing.  I wish there was a private room for a man to man talk because hes not in a position to be offended by me as a superior. lol Please keep this on the writing. Reply Quote Notify

1299  Forums / Main Forum / Re: You win on: May 08, 2012, 12:32:48 PM Quote from: JimR on May 08, 2012, 12:17:51 PM Well, Carolina, like I said - At least three posters have openly told you how much they like having you here.  You will do whatever you will do with that.  If you wish to believe that they lied to you for the sake of being polite, as your post above suggests - Then I will say to you that that idea is really beyond ridiculous. Jim Jim your reading my motives. If you check ive never addressed a persons motives on this site because thats an easy line to draw. lol Thats why i am wondering about you.  Because i stick up for Gman whether i am serious or just doing it to offend you it doesnt matter. The point is that we all should practice respect for one another as a line drawn. Jim you accused me of lying. Well maybe your talking about other groups. But we have a history here before you showed up rite behind LM who has already taken you to task about your insults that we do not appreciate as a group your persistence of callings us awful things. Reply Quote Notify

1300  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: My sheep hear My voice on: May 08, 2012, 10:45:05 AM As i have been watching this play it has become clear to me that Jesus was addressing the Pharisees over issues of their interpretation of the law. Because Jesus was defending the idea that God loves His own sheep and will not allow them to be abused by society. And if you watch as Jesus becomes more and more unloving toward the religious abusers after talking about love. lol  So there are two things here. One is that Jesus was actually motivated to defend His people as He was pointing out their miss interpretations. And Jesus was showing that the church is like a hospital where it rules by relationships in the church that promote the wellness and health of the people. But at the same time He was showing that its impossible to copy because everyone who was subject to Jesus teaching lacked the ability to be compliant in the holistic list of things. Because of Jesus teaching both impossible extremes of love and hate... in the christian love and hate in the christian way. So Jesus was the only one who could protect the righteous while at the same time condemn the wicked because of His cursing and blessing. It comes to the ultimate purpose of this when He tells the Pharisess because of you this whole generation is condemned to do an act that is through unbelief ..possibly the sin against the Holy Spirit. lol Let me go over something here. If you look at the ot wisdom books you will find that 99 percent of the time outside of cursing the wicked and self righteous there is one place in the Psalms where the psalmist is thankful for confrontation in a christian sense. Why is this? Why isnt it like a process or a list of things to achieve holiness? Because God is not like man. lol You see God is the only one that can be known enough to have the rite to change a person. And so God knows all men intimately and there is no excuse of feeling lonely... i mean in the ultimate sense. So the problem is not one of force to compliance but man taking the place of God. And this is why the wisdom books define God coming to man and how His actions toward man are beyond mans understanding of the goodness of this relationship. So God distinguishes His treatment of His own and how it is carried out in this world. Man as in this doctrine of transformation is brought before a love that would take ages and ages to relate to and promises of personal attention and gifts that are beyond any rewards on this earth. So you see how God cannot allow man to compete with Him. lol     Reply Quote Notify

1301  Members Only / Purgatory / Re: regarding the "Good Wife" thread... on: May 08, 2012, 10:27:13 AM Quote from: jenni on May 08, 2012, 10:02:14 AM Did you seriously just refer to me as a "ruling person"?  That sort of weirds me out. No i dont mean that your ruling like a judge but Jim is putting you in that position by all his focusing on Gman with his words to hurt. Now i believe that we can disagree passionately over doctrine that is indirect. But all this other counsel language of directly addressing behavior in m opinion is odd because the bibles principle of leadership is relationships before counsel. And we do not even get involved with that. So who has a rite to involve themselves with other people in this setting? And so outside of the doctrine section we should be encouraging each other and praying for one another and directing others to Steves words or personal relationships in their own sphere of influence. I draw a line and Jim is crossing it. lol I believe i have been given a rite to promote an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth in word form if i am defending someone of abuse. Not really as a matter of public discourse. Most of this forced compliance systematic checking under the hood is just for show..you dont impress me with your degree. lol But i will respect Jennis rules. Reply Quote Notify

1302  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: difference between affliction and punishment? on: May 08, 2012, 10:14:09 AM cont...I am trying to figure out why the nt can be so miss represented.  And I guess when we are talking about the words in the nt they are coming out of a distinct culture that gives us more definitions of how they are to be applied.And i have always said the more detailed we are the less chance we have to error. And this is why we must engross ourselves in the ot worship book and wisdom lit. Because all of these doctrines are clearly taught and defined not only as they are individually shown but how they are applied in life for the person. So I also believe that the epistemology of interpretation cannot be understood in the Greek mindset without the Hebrew mindset giving us a clear understanding of how the words are to be used. And this is why we sort of look at the OT as a book that gives us a clear understanding of the law, sin, redemption, but we need the nt to shed light on grace, love, and our relationship with our Father in heaven. But this is not the case. In fact because of the supernatural ism that was displayed in the ot there really was more of a direct relationship to Gods words and Gods actions. So what we are learning by this is that this gets progressively more of Christ kingdom rather than a Christ that has gone into the heavens and rules from afar. We have lost the Calvinism of the created idea. Instead of the supernatural ism being lessened in the nt it actually is to our advantage that Christ has gone into the heavens because we enjoy a more powerful supernatural ism than God actually doing the great acts in the OT. Reply Quote Notify

1303  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: difference between affliction and punishment? on: May 08, 2012, 09:47:06 AM Ive learned a little and i may come at this from a different angle. But I believe that a Calvinist can be so entrenched in his position that Christ is sovereign and has taken control of everything at the cross that there is a sense of entitlement in how he views suffering. I will begin to attack this too. lol I believe that grace is not necessarily a position we take that distinguishes us from trusting in ourselves but i do not believe we can avoid going down a path were we face giving up our own lives for the lives of others. In other words i do not believe that Calvinism upholds the idea that our lives are segregated into the sacred and the mundane. But everywhere we go we worship God. If you just trust the God is sovereign then you ignore or purposely miss represent that we are being led to live a life of conquest. So i believe that Calvinism can be mixed with liberalism and looks exactly like a works salvation. And this is the danger of Calvinism. But i do not believe its because Calvinism needs a balance but its because the Calvinism is not warm and accepting. And this is why Calvinism is the only doctrine that actually does not separate the NT from the Ot. And it does not miss represent the ot so that it creates conflict with the nt. So Calvinism does not just end with God but it begins with God. If in fact God actually is the cause of all that exist then live a life focused on God knowing that we are not the primary players in this great conflict between good and evil.. God and Satan. And this is why any one who focuses on the details of Calvinism knows that there are gonna be relationships that there are things in this world that cannot be reconciled on this side of heaven. So in standing on the true doctrine of Gods sovereignty we in essence are standing alone. Because each one of us have areas that we cannot reconcile in our lives. So that it becomes our cross to carry. Now i am saying that we look back we see our cross but when we look forward we enjoy conquest. lol Reply Quote Notify

1304  Members Only / Purgatory / Re: regarding the "Good Wife" thread... on: May 08, 2012, 09:26:39 AM Quote from: JimR on May 07, 2012, 02:42:50 PM Thank you for saying that what I've said is not inappropriate, and thank you for recognizing that Carolina does not care about what his posts show, or what they do to others.  From the messages I've received from others, you not are alone in this, and that is really all I could wish for.  Just to clarify - I'm not trying to "fix" Carolina.  Only God can do that.  I admit it would be great if he would admit and own what his posts show and do to others, but, as was true for some in our groups, that doesn't always happen.  No, he's not in an A.I. group, but that's not what my posts have been about - They've been about the sometimes very disturbing similarity between his posts and comments by the guys in our groups.  At any rate, for that thread, it will have to be enough to have exposed his posts for what they show and allow others to take that as a context to "understand" his future posts from.  Sometimes that's all that can be done.   Notice he has a lot of praise for the ruling people but he goes after the sinners like the Pharisees did in Jesus day. I did not call him a Pharisee i said that he behaves like one. Reply Quote Notify

1305	Forums / Main Forum / Re: You win	on: May 08, 2012, 09:23:37 AM
I told you Jim would run him off.. since ive know jim on this site he has caused a lot of heart ache.      1306  Forums / Main Forum / Re: A good wife on: May 06, 2012, 08:16:38 PM Ive said what im gonna say and Jim saw it. Reply Quote Notify 1307  Forums / Main Forum / Re: A good wife on: May 06, 2012, 08:08:16 PM Quote from: JimR on May 06, 2012, 08:05:33 PM Again - I haven't "counseled."  And thanks for engaging in name-calling.  Sir i am saying that your being abusive. Why do you focus on him and bash him on every post? Im not the angry one here.. im defending him.. he doesnt want your posting to him .. Gman please put him on ignore so he will go away. palllllllllllleeeeeeesssssssseeee Reply Quote Notify 1308  Forums / Main Forum / Re: A good wife on: May 06, 2012, 08:01:46 PM Quote from: JimR on May 06, 2012, 07:59:18 PM MBG - Carolina's posts say what they say and show what they show regarding his view of and expectations of women.  Everything I listed earlier can be found in them.  It is what it is.  Now, do you think you can stop making imaginary accusations?  If carolina has a problem with women he can call a counselor in his area and get help. He obviously does not want you to counsel him. Your a pest. Reply Quote Notify 1309  Forums / Main Forum / Re: A good wife on: May 06, 2012, 07:53:21 PM Quote from: JimR on May 06, 2012, 07:51:14 PM MBG - The point is - What you accused me of in the above post, I haven't done.  And I can't do anything about what you imagine.   If you want to help someone with your expertise why dont you go on sites where people are experiencing abuse and work your magic. G man doesnt really get involved with that sort of thing .. hes just giving his opinion. Whats the Bible say about being a busybody?   Reply Quote Notify 1310  Forums / Main Forum / Re: A good wife on: May 06, 2012, 07:46:45 PM Quote from: JimR on May 06, 2012, 07:43:35 PM MBG, I don't know what posts you have been reading, but I haven't bragged about my success anywhere on this thread.  Nor would I.  The "success" of our program is based on whether or not an individual does the following: Admission of how you've been and what you've done. Ownership of what you've done and that you are responsible for you. Resolve - with God's grace/help - to move towards positive change. Learn new strategies and techniques. Apply them. Every day. Nor have I tried to "counsel" anyone.  All I've done is expose what's in Carolina's posts. Jim There are not a lot of people you can attack here. So it gets old after awhile Jim. Reply Quote Notify 1311  Forums / Main Forum / Re: A good wife on: May 06, 2012, 07:31:40 PM Gman of all the people that Jim has said hes helped i would love to be able to look at their face book messages. lol Thats usually what i say to people who brag about their success with people. lol And i am not stupid im probably older than Jim and i have a lot of experience with direct knowledge of this sort of thing. Any respected counselor would not come on the internet and try to counsel someone in this setting. I am suspicious of your bragging because a good counselor gets his own clientele and he doesnt offend those people he is counseling. And ive been here long enough to know Jim has a reputation especially with people who are not here any longer. He may be following this one person who has come back a few times.   lol Reply Quote Notify 1312  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: Proverbs 31 on: May 06, 2012, 06:24:21 PM One of the views we have about ot wisdom is that it presents the case that man is free in the sense of being about to choose. And i think this is an American miss understanding. The purpose of the wisdom books is to bring man to find all of his happiness in God. And the only way that man can achieve this is through the exercises of his gifts. So the wisdom books teach a man how to create super naturalism in his own life. What is the most destructive adversity to a man being aligned before God? Its his state in sin. In other words there are forces preventing man from worshiping and glorifying God as he was made. And you see this struggle in worship. We rise to a level of pleasure in God and then we begin to struggle to hold onto that level. Why do we do this? Well its not just our sin but its the corruption we have dwelling in us that fights against what God desires of us in giving Him all of our hearts. We still have the presence of sorrow and pain. And this is what the ot wisdom books are about. They teach us that happiness is dwelling in the love of God so that we will not want other lovers. What i am saying is the its possible for us to rise to a state of transparency where we are kind of drawn out of ourselves. Now the wisdom books go beyond just the short emotional boost we get in worship. But they teach us the understanding of creating something that cannot be broken. In other words when we are experiencing transparency we see all of the events in our lives created to bring us to this high exercise of worship. So in this sense we know by being taught wisdom and having our understanding enlightened that we are experiencing the creation of God in His purpose for us. I need to explain what this opposition looks like but i will stop here.  Reply Quote Notify 1313  Forums / Break Room / Re: Godspell“As long as we live there is never enough singing.” ― Martin Luther on: May 06, 2012, 06:05:31 PM Quote from: Gouda on May 05, 2012, 09:14:33 PM I love Godspell. My high school put on the play (ages ago!), and I love it so. It angered a lot of the pious because it was too joyful and too free and too simply told. The Gospel still rattles the comfortably religious. You are correct and it shows how we can change the gospel in a culture to be just for the pious. And its so easy to make the gospel about church attendance , preaching, the Lords Supper, or the kind of music rather than out of Gods love and given in grace. Its easy to make the gospel fit our comfortable ways rather than letting the gospel dictate how we are gonna treat people. I am just amazed at these artist and their talents and gifts. I will never forget this time in my life. Dan has done a wonderful job of corralling the emotions of this group of young people and there is something special about how these people came to take these parts. Its so well created i cant say its one person or one thing that stands out. I am so blessed to be motivated to love God like this. Remove Reply Quote Notify 1314  Forums / Main Forum / Re: Dual Personality Disorder on: May 05, 2012, 12:23:30 PM Any time we believe something that cause us anxiety that is a cursed disposition. So i do not think we are what we do. But we have abilities that are defined as to who we are and in learning how to use these gifts we are defined. And so we live in continuous blessedness by cursing the evil and blessing God. A person who is divided misunderstands evil as just an action. And this is why i believe that there is a kind of spell that we can be attracted to in ourselves and in others. I believe we can be captivated by the evil attraction. And this is why it is necessary to always identify grace as our being able to create the attractiveness of grace. A lot of people say that in our private times we are only images of our connection in relationships. So they present this view that our connections in home determines our connection in society.  But i do not believe that this is accurate. Rather we are creators as our original motive and we actually have been given a disposition of blessing in being who we are in private. And so we really are the culmination of what we think in word form. Because the word is the image of the real Person. And so we have the ability to look on this image by word. And in using the word we create new blessing. And so people say the word of God us just a waste of time. But you are what you connect to. lol But the problem is that our view of the outside world is not real in the sense that we are able to view it without some corruption. So our view is how we see it. So the we are what we think and we view the world as we understand the word description of the ultimate Image. This is what we call being renewed in our minds.  So we actually can create future events by this indirect way of living in blessing. I do not see any other way to be confident that nothing can over take us. So our view of blessing is that our desires cannot be thwarted in this word form. Now then we are most happy when we are happy in God because that is the most blessed state that we can live in. And we learn to live with ourselves as we live by faith. We learn to believe in things not seen that will become reality. And this is what we do in wisdom is that we see Gods purposes coming into view by our living in blessedness which we purposed to create in the future.      Remove Reply Quote Notify 1315  Forums / Main Forum / Re: Dual Personality Disorder on: May 05, 2012, 12:02:06 PM Quote from: jenni on May 05, 2012, 01:06:10 AM You think very deeply.  I like that in a person.  :-) Thanks Jenni Remove Reply Quote Notify 1316  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: Proverbs 31 on: May 05, 2012, 11:49:41 AM let me give you the wisdom motif. A godless man is dangerous. A self righteous man is more dangerous. Because a godless man is more self aware that he is a reprobate and he loves it but a Pharisee because he believes that he has a rite to be the standard is plain mean. lol One person leads you into an evil trap while the other person destroys your soul. lol How does a godless man think? Well he lives by the moral that whatever is profitable to him is the standard by which everyone is to follow. The wisdom books kind of present this danger to others as that he is able to hide himself for a time in his success. Now this is the game and struggle between satan and God. Because God seems to not be watching. And you know that anyone who thinks that there is no one watching .. i mean.. outside of the human system... is gonna be self promoting in this way. He is gonna excuse himself while at the same time accuse others. That is the sin disease. lol So the christian who is stained with sin is in danger because the christian does not learn to use the methods of the godless man who develops his intricate system to do fraud to his neighbor. Now this is the psychology that is kind of automatic in the heart of a christian. The christian man has ancient practices. These practices do not threaten the wicked man. Because the wicked man is blind to spiritual things. When a christian prays the wicked man says .. what a dunce and a buffoon.The wicked man is blown up with self pride and arrogance because the visual appearance is that the christian is powerless and ineffective because the christian is trusting in a God that only works slowly and seems most of the time to be hiding Himself. lol   Reply Quote Notify 1317  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: Proverbs 31 on: May 05, 2012, 11:30:06 AM The apostle says directly that a women should be busy in the house. So i do not think the bible is liberating women. But at the same time we must face all of the degeneration of society, the communication of disrespect in the culture according to their norms, and the general level of answering the question on how is the family gonna survive. And in my opinion putting together what the apostle says and what we find in the wisdom books a women who is successful does not really venture out to the streets but she makes her business home centered. And this can look like shes never at home. lol  But going out into the world is in my opinion like venturing into a den of wolves. Because it is not concerned about emotional connections. So someone can get emotionally involved in a business setting that is dangerous. I do not believe that its necessarily evil but its a temptation.  I do not believe that guys are as susceptible to this because they are visual mostly and that is a gift to them in my opinion. So they are able to be unconcerned about emotional contact as the predominate motive. lol The wisdom books warn about men or women being away from home for a length of time. And it warns about certain places as wondering into a trap like a bird trap. Its not talking about a bird just flying away from its nest but its saying that the more the bird is away from its nest the more its going to have the potential be trapped as prey. lol. And this is an ot wisdom concept that in the world is wicked men and they are always.. because of their sin going to set traps for the helpless. Its inevitable. So a lot of people say that self awareness is just trying to be loving like Christ to the world. But self awareness is wisdom applied to a given situation and that is Christ like. And the only way that we will avoid danger is to know God and in knowing God we know ourselves. And this is why the bible does present a godly man as focusing on themselves and knowing what is going on in their minds and hearts. A lot of people accuse this kind of person of being narcissistic . lolBut if we define the terms of wickedness and danger ... righteousness and real authority there is nothing wrong with seeking to align our souls before God as precious souls who are afraid and hateful. lol So there is nothing wrong with hating evil even tho we have it dwelling in our hearts. We still are required to be self protective. lol Reply Quote Notify 1318  Forums / Main Forum / Re: A good wife on: May 05, 2012, 11:07:03 AM G-man ive known you for a while. I have seen your growth in grace. I know your not interested in some kind of psychological placebo. The bible does talk about being wholesome and submissive. And these are not our own imaginations. I know how hard it is to be sensitive and having insight that goes around in your mind. I hate the fact that a lot of women have not had loving fathers to speak to them and love them. Those three years in infancy are critical. And how many men do you really believe understand sovereign grace? Now i respect you because of your stand on grace. I mean even tho you may not be there your headed in the rite direction. I read with insight and i see who is just speaking things about what other people have told them. I understand christian soap opera talk . lol But it really does come down to this. Are you gonna listen to them describe and image that is always meant to be thrown in your face until you join them? Until you get the badge of acceptance from their way of thinking and talking or are you gonna seek to think grace and write grace? Because grace cannot fail. Its not a reminding you of some warped view of why your doing what your doing but its God coming to sinners who are broken and twisted and meeting them rite where they are at. So i remind you that you dwell in grace and nothing you want or think about can change your real image. lol Reply Quote Notify 1319  Members Only / Purgatory / Re: regarding the "Good Wife" thread... on: May 05, 2012, 10:09:07 AM Oh its nothing about what youve said. In fact i really enjoy presenting arguments that go against the cultural flowing streams. I mean that plowing works both ways. No one who plows a field does it so that it just looks good. But actually they lay the plow on the backs of those they are teaching. lol What i want to do is cut people free from the chords of the wicked. lol So im not just trying to offer an argument but presenting something that will work to free them. Theres only one safe active goodness that is offered for those who repent. Every other thing is a placebo. So why waste your time trying to wash the stripes away on a Zebra? But in this instance i do not feel it would be safe or profitable. So its my own decision.    Reply Quote Notify 1320  Forums / Break Room / Re: Godspell“As long as we live there is never enough singing.” ― Martin Luther on: May 05, 2012, 09:45:29 AM Quote from: mylife4him on May 04, 2012, 09:05:40 AM awesome! Jesus shows up in places you do not expect. Hes in the stable in my town. lol