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Forums / Theology Forum / Re: Whitefields letter to Westley
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on: April 22, 2011, 02:17:04 PM
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This plainly shows that our godly reformers
did not think election destroyed holiness or the comforts of religion.
As for my own part, this doctrine is my daily support. I should utterly
sink under a dread of my impending trials, were I not firmly persuaded
that God has chosen me in Christ from before the foundation of the
world, and that now being effectually called, he will allow no one to
pluck me out of his almighty hand.
You proceed thus: "This is evident
as to all those who believe themselves to be reprobate, or only suspect
or fear it; all the great and precious promises are lost to them; they
afford them no ray of comfort."
In answer to this, let me observe
that none living, especially none who are desirous of salvation, can
know that they are not of the number of God's elect. None but the
unconverted, can have any just reason so much as to fear it. And would
dear Mr. Wesley give comfort, or dare you apply the precious promises of
the gospel, being children's bread, to men in a natural state, while
they continue so? God forbid! What if the doctrine of election and
reprobation does put some upon doubting? So does that of regeneration.
But, is not this doubting a good means to put them upon searching and
striving; and that striving, a good means to make their calling and
their election sure? Amen with a full agreement!
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Forums / Theology Forum / Re: Martin Luther ... Short Treatise On the Prayer Life
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on: April 22, 2011, 02:07:42 PM
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PRAYING THE PSALMS
Luther
taught that praying the Psalms brings us: “into joyful harmony” with
God’s Word and God’s Will. “Whoever begins to pray the Psalms earnestly
and regularly will soon take leave of those other light and personal
little devotional prayers and say, ‘Ah, there is not the juice, the
strength, the passion, the fire which you find in the Psalms. Anything
else tastes too cold and too hard.’”
STRUCTURE PRAYER
Luther
also recommended that we structure our prayers according to The
Apostle’s Creed and the Catechism, to connect doctrine and devotion. He
also recommended praying according to The Ten Commandments, meditating
on each item as instruction, thanksgiving, confession and petition. By
meditating on the instruction, giving thanks for the blessings that flow
from these principles, confessing where we have personally failed in
obeying and applying these commands, and as petition to being able to
honour and obey God’s Word in our daily lives, would revive our prayer
lives.
SPIRITUAL WARFARE
Luther lived daily exposed to what he called the “Anfectung,” the unbridled, vicious assault of Satan.
At
times, it seemed as if the whole world was against him, as well as the
flesh and the devil. In the midst of this spiritual warfare, Luther’s
enriching approach to prayer strengthened him.
The Apostle’s Creed, The Lord’s Prayer, The Ten Commandments, The Catechism and the Psalms deepened and focused his prayer life.
In his preface to the “Larger Catechism,” Luther
wrote: “We know that our defence lies in prayer. We are too weak to
resist the devil and his vassels. Let us hold fast to the weapons of the
Christian; they enable us to combat the devil… our enemies may mock at
us. But we shall oppose both men and the devil if we maintain ourselves
in prayer and if we persist in it.”
Luther is as good as Calvin... i love this guy a true christian warrior.
How
did he rise to confront the devil in this way? Wow we got a long way to
go... maybe in my life time. I dont think those three yrs of utter hell
in my life was an attack from the Devil... but it was awful. Its got to
be depression. I learned about staying power cause it seem like i was
always forced down.
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Forums / Theology Forum / Re: Martin Luther ... Short Treatise On the Prayer Life
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on: April 22, 2011, 01:58:52 PM
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mbG: "Your just trying to stir up hatred... let it rest Kk " K_k:
No, just the opposite. I am saying that an overfocus on the Psalms
will lead to justifying hatred of enemies. Only focusing on Christ's
commands to love our enemies will help correct that tendency. mbG:
"Your the most bitter man i have met toward Calvinist.... and arrogant
to come on a sight where it is taught and argue every day against it.
your a mean man Kk." K_k: This is not a calvin's-ism sight as
far as i can tell, mbG. The forums are about "freedom and grace" which
no one theologian has a monopoly on, only Christ does. Is it
arrogant to confront error? You apparently do not think so, since you
confront me. If i am "a mean man" then we must have that in common,
since we are so much alike.  mbG:
"I have not gone after you because my doctrine of repentance is not
tied to a program. I am just defending my position. Your doctrine is
cut throat. Your more prejudice that Luther was." K_k: Then
maybe you should "go after me" as you put it. That would give you
practice at hating and cursing your perceived enemy, and me practice at
loving mine. 
Steve teaches at RTS Orlando... they sign a pledge to teach according to the WCF... your a liar as well.
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Forums / Theology Forum / Re: Martin Luther ... Short Treatise On the Prayer Life
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on: April 22, 2011, 01:31:27 PM
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luther
quoted by mbG: "I take my Psalter, hurry to my room…and as time
permits, I say quietly to myself and word for word the Lord’s Prayer,
The Ten Commandments, The Apostles Creed and … some Psalms…"
...."The Lord’s Prayer and the Psalms were tools which Luther considered most important for any Christian’s prayer life."
K_k:
Luther may have been very right about some things, but very wrong
about others. His overfocus on the Psalms, for example, set the stage
for his later anti-Semitism. And his anti-Jewish writings were
eventually used as justification by Hitler for their persecution.
wikipedia:
"In his later career, Luther denounced the Jewish people and urged for
their harsh persecution. In a paragraph from his On the Jews and Their
Lies he deplores Christendom's failure to expel them."
....
"In
1543 Luther published On the Jews and Their Lies in which he says that
the Jews are a "base, whoring people, that is, no people of God, and
their boast of lineage, circumcision, and law must be accounted as
filth." They are full of the "devil's feces ... which they wallow in
like swine." The synagogue was a "defiled bride, yes, an incorrigible
whore and an evil slut ..." He argues that their synagogues and schools
be set on fire, their prayer books destroyed, rabbis forbidden to
preach, homes razed, and property and money confiscated. They should be
shown no mercy or kindness, afforded no legal protection, and these
"poisonous envenomed worms" should be drafted into forced labor or
expelled for all time. He also seems to advocate their murder, writing
"[w]e are at fault in not slaying them."
K_k: Luther became a
bitter old man who did much to encourage hatred of the Jews. I believe
an overfocus on the Psalms will create wrong attitudes toward our
enemies which Jesus commands us to love, not hate.
Everyone
is trying to fight old wars... you ever heard of the crusades? People
will look back at this time and talk about the prejudice toward Muslims.
Your just trying to stir up hatred... let it rest Kk Kind of
like your love for censoring people who do not agree with you program.
Your the most bitter man i have met toward Calvinist.... and arrogant to
come on a sight where it is taught and argue every day against it. your
a mean man Kk. I have not gone after you because my doctrine of
repentance is not tied to a program. I am just defending my position.
Your doctrine is cut throat. Your more prejudice that Luther was.
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Forums / Theology Forum / Re: Martin Luther ... Short Treatise On the Prayer Life
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on: April 21, 2011, 08:07:18 PM
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GUIDELINES FOR PRAYER
In “A Simple Way
To Pray” Luther wrote: “First, when I feel that I have become cool and
joyless in prayer, because of other tasks or thoughts (for the flesh and
the devil always impede and obstruct prayer),
I
take my Psalter, hurry to my room…and as time permits, I say quietly to
myself and word for word the Lord’s Prayer, The Ten Commandments, The
Apostles Creed and … some Psalms…
“It is a good thing to
let prayer be your first business in the morning and the last at night.
Guard yourself carefully against those false, deluding ideas that tell
you, ‘wait a little while. I will pray in an hour, first I must attend
to this or that’…Those who work faithfully, pray twice…Christ commands
continual prayer: ask and it will be given to you, seek and you shall
find; knock and it will be opened to you…pray without ceasing… we must
unceasingly guard against sin and wrong doing, something one cannot do
unless one fears God and keeps His Commandments…we become relaxed and
lazy, cool and listless towards prayer. The devil who besets us is not
lazy or careless, and our flesh is too ready and eager to sin and is
disinclined to the spirit of prayer.
“When your heart has be
warmed by such recitation to yourself (of The Ten Commandments, the
Words of Christ, etc)…Kneel or stand with your hands folded and your
eyes towards Heaven and speak or think as briefly as you can.
“O
Heavenly Father, dear God, I am a poor, unworthy sinner. I do not
deserve to raise my eyes or hands toward You or to pray. But, because
You have commanded us all to pray and have promised to hear us and
through Your dear Son, Jesus Christ has taught us both how, and what, to
pray, I come to You in obedience to Your Word, trusting in Your
gracious promises.”
Luther recommended that our prayers be
numerous but short in duration. Luther taught that we should pray:
“Brief prayers…pregnant with the Spirit, strongly fortified by faith…the
fewer the words, the better the prayer. The more the words, the worse
the prayer. Few words and much meaning is Christian. Many words and
little meaning is pagan.”
The Lord’s Prayer and the Psalms were tools which Luther considered most important for any Christian’s prayer life.
“A
Christian has prayed abundantly who has rightly prayed the Lord’s
Prayer.” The Lord’s Prayer is the model prayer of Christianity and it is
not essentially a prayer of one individual, but a common prayer that
binds all Christians together, uniting us with all believers, past,
present and future, whether in Heaven, or on earth, in a Biblical
Kingdom focused prayer.
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Forums / Theology Forum / Martin Luther ... Short Treatise On the Prayer Life
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on: April 21, 2011, 03:47:01 PM
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LUTHER’S PRACTICAL PROGRAMME TO REVIVE YOUR PRAYER LIFE
The
German Reformer, Martin Luther, taught that prayer should be living,
powerful, strong, mighty, earnest, serious, troubled, passionate,
vehement, fervent and ardent.
Luther described prayer as: “The hardest work of all – a labour above all labours,
since
he who prays must wage almighty warfare against the doubt and murmuring
excited by the faint-heartedness and unworthiness we feel within
us…that unutterable and powerful groaning with which the godly rouse
themselves against despair, the struggle in which they call mightily
upon their faith.”
“Audacious prayer,
which perseveres unflinchingly and ceases not through fear, is well
pleasing unto God,” wrote Luther. “As a shoe maker makes a shoe, or a
tailor makes a coat, so ought a Christian to pray. Pray creates the product
Definition of AUDACIOUS
1
a
: intrepidly daring : adventurous <an audacious mountain climber>
b : recklessly bold : rash <an audacious maneuver>
2
: contemptuous of law, religion, or decorum : insolent
3
: marked by originality and verve <audacious experiments>
Prayer is the daily business of a Christian.”
REFORMING PRAYER
In
1535, Luther wrote and published: “A Simple Way To Pray,” dedicated to
his barber, Peter Beskendorf. His barber had asked him for some
guidelines on how he might improve his prayer life. In response, Luther
wrote this 35-page book which became so popular that 4 editions were
printed that first year alone.
Martin Luther has been described as one of the most dedicated men of prayer in all of history.
The
historical records show that Luther prayed for 3 to 4 hours each day.
In the 16 th Century, the Church of Rome had buried Biblical prayer
under layers of institutional, mystical and theological error.
Prayer
for most in the 16 th Century was a mechanical, religious rite, a
legalistic work, requiring little thought. Luther worked hard to reform
prayer. He spent long, solitary nights in fervent prayer and fasting.
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Forums / Main Forum / Re: The Biggest Lies
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on: April 21, 2011, 03:03:24 PM
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Kk attacks people with his works doctrine. Now
he is a abusing the woman here. I ve been on this site longer than he
has and ive witnessed the women here who have been kind but they know
when someone crosses the line. Kks doctrine of repentance is a doctrine
of censuring other sinners. He talks a good game in which he changes his
12 step language like an iguana changes its colors. Kk talks about
works but his language comes out of both sides of his mouth. Kk... your
as persistent as a JW i give you credit for that. But dont lock horns
with these women here ... they will eat your lunch.
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