The mission of the people of God must be a
violent one. Not violent in the sense of physical. But violence in how
we approach God. We must have an attitude that we will take no
prisoners. The people who sit on the side lines are in danger of
destruction even if they are among Gods covenant people. This is why
salvation is not the answer to a moral equation of rite and wrong.
Although we are to obey we can never meet the demands of the law. So our
whole lives must be seen as us being accepted by another righteousness.
This is an impossible life to simulate or match. It is the
impossibility that gives us acceptance. The warriors are the helpless...
the down trodden... the ones who have no strength and the ones who are
caught in the schemes of the wicked. We are the ones who in the worlds
eyes looks like we are easy prey and we have no ability to defend
ourselves. This is why the church is made up of the real Christians
and the actors. The real christians are fully enabled to fight this
battle in the power of God. But the ones who act are in it for the self
gratification and their own reputation. We are forced to fight out of a
sense of desperation. The christian is one who is all alone and stands
his ground knowing that God will deliver him. While the others are man
please rs and easily led along by the rules of these false teachers. This
is why we have the curses because when we come to God ... He only hears
those who call on Him in the day of trouble. The fellowship of the
church is a fellowship of suffering. So that anyone who belongs to this
fellowship understands the reality of God being among men. The others
are looking at these things with a complaining eye. So we are enabled to
determine who is wheat and who are the tares but not by identity. We
have the curses. We curse anyone who does not delight in the well being
of His servants. This means that we must join forces to stand in for our
brothers. Christ says if you see your brother in need and shut your
self up how dwells the love of God in you. Christ was saying it
is impossible to do this in the natural desires. We must be about
delighting in the well being of His servants. We are commanded to pray
and go. If we do not go then we are not understanding our mission. Our
going is engaging the enemy and we are all shepherds of one another. If
we make this about sin then we will suffer in the end because a true
saint goes as a sinner and his life is not viewed as a balance but as a
giving up himself.
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on: April 17, 2011, 03:39:10 PM
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mbG:
"Cursing in a biblical sense goes beyond the relationships in a
culture and focuses the effect breaking in to time. Cursing is love in
defense of the helpless."
mbG: "The most rational holistic understanding of truth is to involve oneself in daily cursing."
mbG: "So Jesus practice cursing them. Because this was a form of defense to the helpless and sinners."
mbG: "We grab a hold of the curses and we unlock the riches of God."
mbG:
"Our cursing language cannot fail. We will protect our world view by
cursing the men who live by threats and who have destroyed other people
lives."
mbG: "Ive meditated on these Psalms so many times i cant count."
Jesus:
“You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and
hate your enemy.’ But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who
curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who
spitefully use you and persecute you, that you may be sons of your
Father in heaven; for He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good,
and sends rain on the just and on the unjust." Matthew 5:43-45
Gal.... 1 9As we said before, so I now say again: If anyone is
preaching to you a gospel different from or contrary to that which you
received [from us], let him be accursed (anathema, devoted to
destruction, doomed to eternal punishment)
K_k: "For I could wish that I myself were accursed, separated from Christ for the sake of my brethren..." Romans 9:3 "As
we have said before, so I say again now, if any man is preaching to you
a Gospel contrary to what you received, he is to be accursed!"
Galatians 1:9 NASV K_k: To be accursed is to be cut off from
Christ. If anyone is preaching a false Gospel, they are doomed to the
Second Death, the punishment that lasts forever; they are devoted to
their own destruction. Paul is not recommending us to curse them, just
stating that they are already accursed (unless they repent).
Is there a fly pestering me? Got to scratch my nose... oh its the little man. hey brah
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on: April 17, 2011, 01:34:58 PM
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I agree with much of what you are saying, mbG. Except one thing.
mbG: "This is why most people overlook or reject that God does everything in this world. "
Some
people reject the idea that God does everything in this world because
He doesn't actively force everyone who does wrong to sin. For example,
"Let
no one say when he is tempted, “I am tempted by God”; for God cannot be
tempted by evil, nor does He Himself tempt anyone. But each one is
tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed. Then,
when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is
full-grown, brings forth death." James 1:13-15
God doesn't tempt anyone, or cause them to do evil. Their own desires do that.
A
person is going to sin as long as sin dwells in them. This sin was
imputed to the account of every man from birth because the first man
Adam failed the test of free will. So every man not only was imputed
with sin but that brought about a total corruption of the entire time
sequence. If men were able to sin apart from Gods knowledge which is the
working of all things according to His omnipresence.. omnipotentence
and omniscience so that the universe is a succession of events that are
decreed by God before the world was created then it would be a chance
happening outside of these decrees. That includes sin ....sir. I
swear by the doctrines of grace every day so that my trust in grace
demands that i wish self harm if i did not trust this to be so. Now its
your turn... swear to personal harm and God before everyone here that
the 12 steps are accurately defining grace. If you are serious then lets
get to it. Just what i thought... real weight huh. Where did this monster of good works go? Guess i got to call him little man now.
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Forums / Theology Forum / Re: Homosexuality = sin according to the One Who knows
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on: April 14, 2011, 08:27:34 PM
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Good points, Thor. I agree actually.
I
was just pointing out that all
sins--committed/omitted/thought/done--ARE equal in that any and all of
them deserve judgment. We're all disqualified without Christ's blood.
It does bother me that many in the Christian community seem to think
homosexuality is especially heinous. It's sex--it's not child
sacrifice, so no they're not equal.
Would a homosexual--flaming,
though they may be--be welcome in your church, without someone thinking
they needed to get in their face for a confrontation or refuse to hang
out with them, as some here said they would do? I just want them to be
able to come, and to hear. That's all. How can they know, unless they
hear?
Jesus chastized the hypocrites for minding meticulous
behavior that had no heart to remember mercy and judgment and faith.
That's the error of human reasoning that MBG was pointing to also. And
that's what we do also, when we won't allow homosexuals to be free to
attend our churches, and we won't hang out with them.
I'm not the only one here who might have been leaning too much on my own understanding.
Gouda
... i agree... If we confess our sins privately... or quietly outside
of the view of every body then we are displaying the rite attitude. But
that sin was already taken care of on the cross. The only people who we
have problems with are those who want to boast in the flesh as the
apostle says. Look what Paul wishes against the Pharisees here in
Galatians 1 It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm,
then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery. 2
Mark my words! I, Paul, tell you that if you let yourselves be
circumcised, Christ will be of no value to you at all. 3 Again I declare
to every man who lets himself be circumcised that he is obligated to
obey the whole law. 4 You who are trying to be justified by the law have
been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace. 5 For
through the Spirit we eagerly await by faith the righteousness for which
we hope. 6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision
has any value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself
through love. Obedience is faith expressing itself through
love. We stand on Gods covenant love. Everything we draw from that keeps
us from doubting is found outside of us. Its in Gods eternal decrees
that He loved us before the foundation of the world. This means that
salvation is in God alone. As the saints say in heaven... Salvation
belongs to God who sits on the throne and to the Lamb ... the avenging
Lamb. We express our believing on the basis of Gods unfailing love. This
unfailing love is directed toward our need to be honored as sinners. So
He stands in our place and brags about us to the devil when we are
being accused! This is why we are not just hanging in there but we are
over comers. 7 You were running a good race. Who cut in on
you to keep you from obeying the truth? 8 That kind of persuasion does
not come from the one who calls you. 9 “A little yeast works through the
whole batch of dough.” Gal. 5 10 I am confident in the Lord that you
will take no other view. The one who is throwing you into confusion,
whoever that may be, will have to pay the penalty.
11 Brothers and sisters, if I am still preaching circumcision, why am I
still being persecuted? In that case the offense of the cross has been
abolished. 12 As for those agitators, I wish they would go the whole way and emasculate themselves! Now circumcision is a work that one performs in order to be accepted
before God. Every man has a war going on in his own soul between his
performance and Gods grace. Its between resting in Christ work and the
dreadful unbelief. Did you know that most people who display the worse
christian character do it out of a need to do good? They want to prove
they are accepted. Here the apostle says to them i hope they pay the
full penalty.. which is to be judged by your sin. In other places the
apostle calls these people "Dogs". Wow... thats not only unloving but
will put a permanent rift in these relationships.
Let me explain the
ot concept of the pharisee who is a dog. These people are compared to
the worse fool. They are like the most violent man. These people are the
ones who are said to eat the scraps off of the streets like a dog. A
wicked man is blind to the truth and all of his schemes are designed to
profit off of the poor. But a Pharisee profits in the destruction of the
character and lives of other people. His religious fervor is compared
to traitor who is like a dog that wanders about the city looking for the
scraps of food and howling because he is never satisfied. In other
words he is not satisfied to attack someone but he must advance and
destroy him with his rules.
But the saint is so thankful to God
because he understands that Gods love is all encompassing that he does
not focus on his sins. But he trust that God will do as He promised.
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on: April 14, 2011, 08:00:00 PM
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mbG:
"Cursing in a biblical sense goes beyond the relationships in a
culture and focuses the effect breaking in to time. Cursing is love in
defense of the helpless."
mbG: "The most rational holistic understanding of truth is to involve oneself in daily cursing."
mbG: "So Jesus practice cursing them. Because this was a form of defense to the helpless and sinners."
mbG: "We grab a hold of the curses and we unlock the riches of God."
mbG:
"Our cursing language cannot fail. We will protect our world view by
cursing the men who live by threats and who have destroyed other people
lives."
mbG: "Ive meditated on these Psalms so many times i cant count."
Jesus:
“You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and
hate your enemy.’ But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who
curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who
spitefully use you and persecute you, that you may be sons of your
Father in heaven; for He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good,
and sends rain on the just and on the unjust." Matthew 5:43-45
Gal.... 1 9As we said before, so I now say again: If anyone is
preaching to you a gospel different from or contrary to that which you
received [from us], let him be accursed (anathema, devoted to
destruction, doomed to eternal punishment)
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The reason we are not aware when real threats
draw near is because we havent learned enough of gaining power over our
own souls. You see the christian life is peace and love. Its dwelling in
a kind of heavenly joy and feeling the pleasure of Gods glory as He
radiates through all eternity. This effect stills our souls. If you have
ever gone into a room...test your self... see if your stillness can
effect other people. Because the peace is not like a quiet library but
its a one that passeth understanding or its radiating the atmosphere
with eternal longings.
This is why a holy man can immediately
sense evil. Its the initial sense but it needs investigation. The way of
God is to feel a sense of weakness so that you are like the weak. Its a
general concern for the poor and oppressed. Because Gods promise is
that He will sustain us on our sick beds if we are directing our focus
to the needy. But we cannot muster up this consistent spirit of
generosity. We must be brought to a quietness in a glory focus. This is
the way of the blessed and is opposite to the cursed.
Psalm 41
For the director of music. A psalm of David.
1 Blessed are those who have regard for the weak;
the LORD delivers them in times of trouble.
2 The LORD protects and preserves them—
they are counted among the blessed in the land—
he does not give them over to the desire of their foes.
3 The LORD sustains them on their sickbed
and restores them from their bed of illness.
4 I said, “Have mercy on me, LORD;
heal me, for I have sinned against you.”
5 My enemies say of me in malice,
“When will he die and his name perish?”
6 When one of them comes to see me,
he speaks falsely, while his heart gathers slander;
then he goes out and spreads it around.
7 All my enemies whisper together against me;
they imagine the worst for me, saying,
8 “A vile disease has afflicted him;
he will never get up from the place where he lies.”
9 Even my close friend,
someone I trusted,
one who shared my bread,
has turned against me.
10 But may you have mercy on me, LORD;
raise me up, that I may repay them.
11 I know that you are pleased with me,
for my enemy does not triumph over me.
12 Because of my integrity you uphold me
and set me in your presence forever.
13 Praise be to the LORD, the God of Israel,
from everlasting to everlasting.
Amen and Amen.
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on: April 12, 2011, 04:40:09 PM
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We are taught to spread our arguments before
the Lord. There is always two sides to every dispute. Both sides usually
have good points. But this is not like we are taught to dispute. When
we come to the courts of heaven we must learn how to unlock the riches
of God. Because He owns the cattle on a thousand hills. He sends
hurricanes and we are made rich. He answers us with awesome deeds of
righteousness. The reason that we have this kind of access is because we
come as heirs of Jesus Christ. We come as owners of everything in the
universe.
Now put on your thinking caps. What is it that keeps
us from controlling the board rooms and the kings heart. Its our not
understanding how to live as if we were who we are in an eternal sense.
We first need to learn how to present ourselves before His throne. We
must learn how to express ourselves in a way where we are transparent
... having the argument in a passionate and convincing way ...being
enabled to bring that to bear. Understanding how to curse as we are
taught and having a sense of increasing power as we plead our cause.
What we think translates to what we say and what we say translates into
what will be granted on His behalf. This is why the bible puts so much
premium on focus because this order of creation has been confused and we
live in this confusion instead of a deep understanding of the way
things are.
In our arguments we must listen to the response of
the Judge. When we lay our case out before the judge of the universe we
are going to get a wise revelation. The problem with us is we have a
small faith. We see things that transpire and we learn reasons and
concepts that has been passed down from one generation to another. But
when we begin to argue in an understanding way then we get more detailed
understanding of the the situations and we are not as easily deceived
when we confront the situation. Listen to me a man who meditates on Gods
word day and night knows more than his teachers.. .that is a fact.
Because God grants the man wisdom in a personal sense.
Now then
the facts are brought to our attention. We understand how convoluted
things are ... then we begin to break down these strong holds. We grab a
hold of the curses and we unlock the riches of God.
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