I think we can judge a person wrongly by being
quick to judge... i mean that a person who has confidence in God may
look like he is very presumptuous and arrogant. The psalmist says that
God made him stout hear ted and in a sense that means that he would not
back down from his confidence in his God. One of the reasons that God
said that David was a man after His heart was that David was as
confident in God in going beyond most men in giving God the glory at all
times... David actually danced before all of Jerusalem in OT
underwear... his single heart ed worship was pleasing to God.. but not
to his wife.. and upon being confronted by her ... he said that if it
was acceptable worship then he would do it even more... now that seems
to be a lack of humility ..especially in how we measure humility in this
day and age... but God actually made his wife barren because of it... Humility
is a mark of a believer... i dont think that a believer can remain
arrogant... i mean arrogance is having no thoughts of God... or not
calling on God... where as the self righteous thinks very little of God
because he doesnt need God. Now that is how the society of believers
should be with one another... i mean.. the mark of a true community of
believers is that we over look each others sins... practicing not
spreading the sins everywhere... Its best to present every issue
to God in private and with those who can be trusted in a close to the
cuff relationship. But if you think about it... those who are humble do
not look at the other person as to the level of his sin and treat them
like that.. but they treat them as if they were the best. This is how
the Father makes His children dependent... and the mark of real humility
is dependence upon the Father for every thing. In this sense God keeps
us weak so that we will be humble.. and He equals the playing field with
His people by making the strong weak.
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on: June 05, 2009, 11:43:47 AM
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a quote on another site "I am convinced the great tragedy is not the sins that we commit, but the life we fail to live." my response... I
dont see where weakness and sin are not inter related... i mean...
weakness is not necessarily sin... but sin is the reason for weakness...
... if God created man whose will was mutable. Then it was inevitable
that man would sin. But this is the great mystery of the first choice...
cause there is no reason even with a will that was mutable. I mean if
we can enjoy life by separating weakness from sin... then how can we
accept the reality of this sin weakness plague this side of Adam as a
means to extract the poison in holding onto the effects of this inward
struggle.. almost like a pressure cooker.... ie sin makes weakness rise
up from within....and still enjoy the good things in this life? This is
why i dont think that enjoying this life is found in acknowledging
weakness as if it were not produced by sin... that to me is trying to
avoid the inevitable.
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on: June 04, 2009, 09:15:33 AM
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When we face the pain of a loss... whether it
is a job... or a relative.. or a hope in something that we could feel
secure by in a future endeavor... we must not dwell on the loss.... i
dont think that our hope is increased in this way... i mean.. that we
cannot find any comfort or encouragement of being in a position of
forcing the required attitude by simply placing our trust in the word
without finding our resolution in the cause of the experience as to our
sorrow. We are only human...and if Jesus sweat drops of blood as an
expression of having to face all of the worlds experiencing of the loss
then we know that He will lead us to find the solution in walking
through that pain. For Christ went to the cross in spite of His inward
anguish.... But there is the human suffering for which we are not
able to avoid in this life. How do we best accomplish getting through
all of the memories... all of the close emotional bonds in which the
soul is being taught in the satisfaction of finding comfort in these
desires being fulfilled... and then to have them dashed by one single
event? Well the reality is that we are under some kind of obligation to
find a level of comfort in this world ... it is expressed through trust.
And then we are finding that it gets very complicated since not one
person can fulfill the law of love enough to meet all of these desires
for comfort and fulfillment. And yet... we are taught to find some kind
of level in a relationship. Which creates the illusion that the normal
is what we are used to in our responses to others and their return to
us. In the confusion of this communication we experience a level of
bondage.... not under the obligation to bondage ... but under the
illusion that love is defined with a certain usefulness in the give and
take... that is we develop our world view by this experience. We must
search our hearts in the pain... and the communication that we have
before our High Priest does not look and taste like a horizontal level
of communication... no this is an extreme and desperate call to the God
of all comfort. Its not in the kinds of words that we use... its in the
expression of the pain that He is so attentive too... a pray that turns
into weeping...a cry that seems so cold toward the world... an outburst
of anger toward the wicked... and then ... in going down to the level of
real world existence ... before a Holy God then we are led to find
relief in that connection to what we have just expelled in our prayer.
We must live in our prayers as if He knows our deep suffering in the
expression we use to be in His loving arms. God loves no matter how much
we enjoy our personal instincts to be protected.
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on: June 02, 2009, 10:02:18 AM
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I want to encourage you all in this struggle
with this world and the rumblings of the fall that we may experience in
the future. May i say that i hardly have taken this as if it were a
heavy weight of sorrow that is making me feel helpless.... no... i have
taught myself the difference between being angry for the rite reasons
and false humility. And rite now i really hate this world. I mean... i
have an intense hatred for it. If you think it is affecting me then you
dont understand how much time it has taken me to know the difference
between living in the accusations of the Devils spell or not accepting
this as a reason to find my comfort in feeling sorry for myself in the
process of mourning over the state of this devilish world. Because i
know there are only two directions in this life... its either living in
the reality of His power or spiraling down into the abyss of a selfish
sorrow. I have been preparing for this time ... for a very long time...
because this world is going to pass away as we know it... the bible not
only tells us not to get our roots in this world but to live in the
reality that there is a very evil spell of many kinds of devils that are
trying to destroy our faith... we are literally under attack! Now you
might say... oh man.... MBG you need to be careful because you are
giving the devil ,his demons, and fallen angels too much power... May i
say that if you cant find get out of your overly sorrowful condition
that you havent faced the reality of what is transpiring around you in
this time.... there are things that are happening in this country that
have never... now listen to me... never happened before! There is a
reason to be really angry! Now then... face the facts we are losing
our spirit of freedom along with this political climate... there really
is a devil in the house... look... would you ignore a person who has
just been raped and treat it as if the experience was not that big of a
deal? Listen to me... your spiritual understanding of living in a
spiritual freedom in which it is relatively easy to find some comfort
from this world in these personal and private times is pushing in on you
more and more.... at some point we must stop burying our heads under
the illusion that this is going to pass and it will be good times
again... we are experiencing something that is going to be a new
struggl
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on: May 31, 2009, 02:55:26 PM
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I think its possible for us to get into a
situation... not necessarily mine... but a possibility non the less ..
in which we can actually experience the destruction of our faith... not
totally.. but in the effects of finding our comfort from this world....
now then .. this is what salvation is in the purpose of His working in
us to will... i dont think that His saving work is just the pleasure of
He receives in working that will in us. But He is working to strengthen
our faith ... where as the Devil is working to destroy it. And it is
very important for us not to think that man has the answers to reveal
this kind of grace. I am not talking about a grace that is common to all
men... but i am talking about a special grace.
There really is not
understanding of this kind of experience of the love of Christ without
His revealing it in a way that is not coming from our own experience....
i dont think we have the natural understanding because of the kinds of
evil and corrupt desires that we pick up from one another. In other
words this kind of understanding is not taught that way. The word of God
is sharper than a double edge sword... now... this is the revealing way
of gaining an understanding of this special communication. If we think
of a sword we are talking about something that does not fail in
penetrating into where ever it is placed... in this case the function of
the thrust of the sword is compared to the action of the quality of the
word that comes into the inner man.... it teaches as it comes in... it
reveals to us the truth about what we have in the promises and it gives
us an understanding of the single purpose of renewing the corrupted
thing and attitude.
Now then this is not something that comes from
the process of the teaching of a man.. .i mean everyone has been given
the Spirit as the teacher and then the knowledge as it enters it goes
rite to the heart of the problem... it divides in the understanding of
what the intentions of a man are and what Gods revealed knowledge is as
it is not corrupted by the imagined self. In other words Jesus is the
revealed word of God.... so that the corruption is out of the hardness
of a man to ingest the total understanding of the person of Christ. This
is how the piercing effect is so that the understanding is judged or
cauterized where the corruption is burned up... the false image of the
real revelation.
I do not think that in the determination of the
effects of the word to the understanding are just theoretical. There is
an actual coalescing of a Person to the understanding ...as if He spoke
to the understanding in an audible voice. So that the real revelation
comes in the healing in this relational oneness ...its a personal
assurance in answer to the deep need. Because Christ uncovers the
heart... in other words He fulfills the longings of the heart... in this
complicated un renewed thought process.He offers to us in the word this
kind of filial communication. Since our worthiness depends upon His
final declaration.... This is that He is the most encouraging and
understanding voice that we have in a special way.
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e... that we will never enjoy the fruits of our the freedoms that
our forefathers fought to give us! Its a new day... this is the start
of much anger and suffering... you might as well get real before God....
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on: May 29, 2009, 12:23:21 PM
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Jesus Christ is the Son over Gods house...
Moses is the Old Covenant....a faithful servant....its not saying that
the new house is ruled by a high priest that is faithful. But that Moses
is no longer necessary in order to enter Gods rest.... for a man must
cease from the work in the sense that grace has been completed in
Christ. When the law speaks ... the minister is not the focus... the
scriptures themselves are not the focus... Christ work is complete...
the focus is not from the old shadows where this idea that Christ as a
Theocracy over His house but Christ rules as a Son... that is in the
family sense. There is no difference in the old covenant and the new
covenant as a message of salvation through the grace of God alone...
because they had the gospel preached to them as we have it preached to
us.... but those who did not enter did not know His ways... that is the
ways of grace... as opposed to the works. For if it is by grace then it
is no more works other wise grace is no more grace... so that it was
never through the sacrifices that they obtained salvation... not even
through the role of the earthly high priest...but the gospel was always
through the coming redeemer...but the shadows were about the
relationship that the trinity shared in eternity.... That is this son
ship issue.... not in the days... not in man... it was always passed on
by the fathers that it was not in man... that is the only hope was in
God alone... these other physical means were just a shadow of the real
thing... and in a sense it was very hard to see this by faith since
there were so many physical markers to perform... man is forever tied to
the means rather than the object itself... the earthly house is built
by man... but God is the builder of everything... or why do you bring me
sacrifices with the attitude that they are from your work? "i own every
thing" I am much bigger than your way of doing your earthly
righteousness.... i have a heavenly tabernacle not made with
hands....that is the object is Christ ... He alone is the rest of God. Entering
in to that rest is entering into a rest from working to enter... that
is the way of salvation... we struggle with these sacrifices... that are
the shadows....and we fail to find completeness in finding forgiveness
in Christ... so that we do not enter into the eternal family of God...
that is the security that is not of this world... as opposed to the
earthly sanctuary. We focus on the works or performances of men.. and we
must not conclude that we have the power to obtain righteousness
through the means....This is what was passed down..."it was not by their
sword that they won the victory" nor did their arm bring them
victory... a direct inference that the connection to the personal will
in order to move the hand .. is nothing. As this author of Hebrews has
been bringing up in a contextual way the Psalms of David... i can show
you the relationship in these psalms of how the sacrifices we understood
in relation to worship and the works of man....we really have been in
some ways under the spell of a romanticizing of the gospel message.
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on: May 28, 2009, 05:30:55 PM
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this is good stuff... in the other room.
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Forums / Theology Forum / Re: Romans and the Flesh Monster.
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on: May 28, 2009, 11:48:59 AM
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Is it possible for us to walk across our words
into reality? I have been thinking about Gods revelation in its most
simplistic form... i mean in the communication of words....in this sense
Gods word is always perfectly the reality of what is transpiring. I
dont think we could trust Him unless His word was the foundation of all
that reality is. I mean if God slipped up in one word there could be a
nuclear holocaust. He could get mad and strike history with a plague
that would destroy for eternity this time dimension. Even tho our words
are not as powerful ... i mean ... to be carrying the weight of an
instant reality by them... yet our words have a certain connection in
how we are genetically predisposition to think of our reaction to our
circumstances.For some reason a word that we speak can change the whole
course of ones predisposition in the direction of his life. I do not
think it is an accumulation of the wisdom of speaking that word... i
mean.. do we speak enough words in the reality of all that the words
that are what we are putting our confidence in and the words of God
secret providence to know what is that exact communication at the exact
moment as the ultimate healing agent for change? Can we change reality
in ourselves? I dont think so... if God condescends to speak to us in
baby talk what do you think our words that have an inflection of our
general disposition of our genetic history of these imperfect messages
that we define in numbers is going to be given such authority?
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on: May 28, 2009, 09:44:04 AM
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A very shallow and doctrinal explanation
here... in the sense that love and hate are deepened before God alone in
a man as God is righteously indignant It appears in the paradigm of
conviction. The subject of imprecations is attended with some
difficulty. To imprecate, or to pronounce a curse on others, or to wish
others accursed, was forbidden even under the law, and it is expressly
forbidden under the gospel, Matthew 5:45; Romans 12:14; we have the
example of our Savior praying for his enemies even on the cross; and yet
we find that God pronounced a curse on all the transgressors of the
law, Deuteronomy 27:26, — that Christ pronounced a curse on Chorazin and
Bethsaida, — that the Psalmist often imprecated vengeance on his
enemies, Psalm 5:10; Psalm 109:7-15, — that the Apostle cursed Alexander
the coppersmith, 2 Timothy 4:14, — and that John bids us not to pray
for him who sins the sin unto death, 1 John 5:16. The truth is,
that circumstances make the difference; what is forbidden in one respect
is allowed in another. The rule to man is, not to curse, but to bless,
except to pronounce on God’s enemies as such the judgment which God has
already denounced on them. But to curse individuals is what no one is
allowed to do, except he be inspired so as to know who those are who are
given up by God to final judgment; which may be supposed to have been
the case with the Psalmist and with St. Paul. — Ed. He then gives them
up to blindness of spirit and weakening of strength; the one of which he
expresses by the darkening of the eyes, and the other by the
incurvation of the back. But that this should be extended almost to the
whole nation, is not to be wondered at; for we know, that not only the
chief men were incensed against David, but that the common people were
also opposed to him. It appears plain, that what is read in that passage
was not applied to a few, but to a large number; yea, when we consider
of whom
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on: May 27, 2009, 04:33:55 PM
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I hope you continue to have confidence in Him
and not self determination. If i looked at myself as a completely
healed saint then my reflection of myself would be a demand to live up
to my view of myself. And if i did something that did not reflect that
value of my un brokenness then i would need to plead my own ability
since i was given that ability to be healed that was in the past but is
not evident in the brokenness. So that all of those around me would
demand an accounting because i have said that i was completely healed at
a point in the past and now there is no reason why i should not be able
to show it now. So that i create a situation at some point where my
confidence in myself does not match my broken evidence. In a sense i am
saying that i have a will to obey even tho i will to disobey. I mean if i
say that i was completely healed at a time in the past then i am saying
that i have the ability in my will to display that at all times.
Imnsho,
This is not the way we show our lives to be changed. This creates a
conflict within me that in which i would be in an endless frustration,
but .... if i could have a ....oh i cant think of the word..... but its
like a catch 22. In order for the anxious spirit to be quenched you go
to the other extreme and let God have it all. Or you just leave the
whole struggling paradigm in His hands. Cause what happens in that when
we think wrongly then we create a paradigm in our own minds in which the
power to do what we want to do is to struggle to the point where we
have more power to over come brokenness by the amount of resistance we
have over the resistance we experience in the brokenness. The catch 22
is letting go completely of the responsibility of the brokenness so that
there is no power in the connections to the use of the means, prayer,
the word, and worship to have an effect on the power of the brokenness.
But in the understanding of the causes and the means and the ends for
which God does anything in this world , then..... He doesnt do it by
resting but He does it in the connections to His power being expressed
in the creation of anything as an expression of His willing that thing
to come to pass. I hope you understand my thinking here. I am not
talking about something here that we have a tendency to fall into
because of a doctrinal position we hold , but i have these tendencies
to depend on this resistant thinking all the time.
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