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on: February 19, 2005, 12:42:30 PM
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I was wondering about how much my health has
an impact on my ability to think clearly,pray fervently, and if feelings
of joy or sorrow as impacted from the physical had any thing to do with
worshiping God to my fullest.
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on: February 19, 2005, 12:42:30 PM
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I was wondering about how much my health has
an impact on my ability to think clearly,pray fervently, and if feelings
of joy or sorrow as impacted from the physical had any thing to do with
worshiping God to my fullest.
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Forums / Theology Forum / Assurance Of The Believer
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on: February 24, 2005, 02:01:37 AM
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Jesus spoke these things; and lifting up His
eyes to heaven, He said, \"Father, the hour has come; glorify Your Son,
that the Son may glorify You,
2. even as You gave Him authority over all flesh, that to all whom You have given Him, He may give eternal life.
3. \"This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.
4. \"I glorified You on the earth, having accomplished the work which You have given Me to do.
5. \"Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.
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\"I have manifested Your name to the men whom You gave Me out of the
world; they were Yours and You gave them to Me, and they have kept Your
word.
7. \"Now they have come to know that everything You have given Me is from You;
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for the words which You gave Me I have given to them; and they
received them and truly understood that I came forth from You, and they
believed that You sent Me.
9. \"I ask on their behalf; I do not ask on behalf of the world, but of those whom You have given Me; for they are Yours;
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on: February 24, 2005, 01:56:42 AM
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When have an Advocate with the Father; one who
has undertaken, and is fully able, to plead in behalf of every one who
applies for pardon and salvation in his name, depending on his pleading
for them. He is \"Jesus,\" the Savior, and \"Christ,\" the Messiah, the
Anointed. He alone is \"the Righteous One,\" who received his nature
pure from sin, and as our Surety perfectly obeyed the law of God, and so
fulfilled all righteousness. All men, in every land, and through
successive generations, are invited to come to God through this
all-sufficient atonement, and by this new and living way. The gospel,
when rightly understood and received, sets the heart against all sin,
and stops the allowed practice of it; at the same time it gives blessed
relief to the wounded consciences of those who have sinned.
And he is the propitiation for our sins…
For the sins of us who now believe, and are Jews:
and not for ours only;
but
for the sins of Old Testament saints, and of those who shall hereafter
believe in Christ, and of the Gentiles also, signified in the next
clause:
but also for [the sins] of the whole world;
the
Syriac version renders it, \"not for us only, but also for the whole
world\"; that is, not for the Jews only, for John was a Jew, and so were
those he wrote unto, but for the Gentiles also. Nothing is more common
in Jewish writings than to call the Gentiles (amle) , \"the world\"; and
(Mlweh lk) , \"the whole world\"; and (Mlweh twmwa) , \"the nations of
the world\" F12; (See Gill on 12:19); and the word \"world\" is so used
in Scripture; see (John 3:16) (4:42) (Romans 11:12,15) ; and stands
opposed to a notion the Jews have of the Gentiles, that (hrpk Nhl Nya) ,
\"there is no propitiation for them\" F13: and it is easy to observe,
that when this phrase is not used of the Gentiles, it is to be
understood in a limited and restrained sense; as when they say F14,
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Forums / Theology Forum / Sins Of Flesh
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on: February 24, 2005, 01:42:58 AM
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When have an Advocate with the Father; one who
has undertaken, and is fully able, to plead in behalf of every one who
applies for pardon and salvation in his name, depending on his pleading
for them. He is \"Jesus,\" the Saviour, and \"Christ,\" the Messiah, the
Anointed. He alone is \"the Righteous One,\" who received his nature
pure from sin, and as our Surety perfectly obeyed the law of God, and so
fulfilled all righteousness. All men, in every land, and through
successive generations, are invited to come to God through this
all-sufficient atonement, and by this new and living way. The gospel,
when rightly understood and received, sets the heart against all sin,
and stops the allowed practice of it; at the same time it gives blessed
relief to the wounded consciences of those who have sinned.
And he is the propitiation for our sins…
For the sins of us who now believe, and are Jews:
and not for ours only;
but
for the sins of Old Testament saints, and of those who shall hereafter
believe in Christ, and of the Gentiles also, signified in the next
clause:
but also for [the sins] of the whole world;
the
Syriac version renders it, \"not for us only, but also for the whole
world\"; that is, not for the Jews only, for John was a Jew, and so were
those he wrote unto, but for the Gentiles also. Nothing is more common
in Jewish writings than to call the Gentiles (amle) , \"the world\"; and
(Mlweh lk) , \"the whole world\"; and (Mlweh twmwa) , \"the nations of
the world\" F12; (See Gill on 12:19); and the word \"world\" is so used
in Scripture; see (John 3:16) (4:42) (Romans 11:12,15) ; and stands
opposed to a notion the Jews have of the Gentiles, that (hrpk Nhl Nya) ,
\"there is no propitiation for them\" F13: and it is easy to observe,
that when this phrase is not used of the Gentiles, it is to be
understood in a limited and restrained sense; as when they say F14,
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Forums / Break Room / Love Poetry
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on: February 22, 2005, 06:54:25 PM
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Righteousness from heaven
From eternity, a cross was planted for man.
Hung the Glory of God, the Rose Of Sharon.
Righteousness looked from heaven, Faithfulness was entombed .
He sprung out from the grave, free access ensued.
His throne is so holy; I am mute from sin,
With coals on my tongue, I dare not offend.
But the ridicule from the proud and their contempt for sin.
Drive me to my knees so that I may enter in.
They have no fear of God before their eyes,
They flatter themselves to much to hate their lies.
Keep my feet from their wicked conspiracy,
So that I may live a life of tranquility.
We made idols of men out of our kin,
Now our deistic ways, brings a hardening in sin.
It is our nation’s godlessness, like Adams great sin,
That we have permissive sons, and dead babies within.
Now they are present in the fiery pit of hell,
An eternal punishment in which they fell.
O Lord, Your love reaches to the heavens.
It’s a spring in my heart, the Holy Spirit given.
Your righteousness is like the mighty mountains.
It’s a heavenly gift applied for my salvation.
Your justice is like the great deep,
So my sinful heart can find relief.
O Great Shepherd Of the Church,
Complete in us Your work.
Our nation is full of shame and sin.
Come Holy Spirit and revive us again.
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Forums / Theology Forum / Does Evil Come From God?
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on: February 22, 2005, 05:36:31 PM
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Making peace, and creating evil. By the words
\"light\" and \"darkness\" he describes metaphorically not only peace
and war; but adverse and prosperous events of any kind; and he extends
the word peace, according to the custom of Hebrew writers, to all
success and prosperity. This is made abundantly clear by the contrast;
for he contrasts \"peace\" not only with war, but with adverse events of
every sort. Fanatics torture this word evil, as if God were the author
of evil, that is, of sin; but it is very obvious how ridiculously they
abuse this passage of the Prophet. This is sufficiently explained by the
contrast, the parts of which must agree with each other; for he
contrasts \"peace\" with \"evil,\" that is, with afflictions, wars, and
other adverse occurrences. If he contrasted \"righteousness\" with
\"evil,\" there would be some plausibility in their reasoning's, but this
is a manifest contrast of things that are opposite to each other.
Consequently, we ought not to reject the ordinary distinction, that God
is the author of the \"evil\" of punishment, but not of the \"evil\" of
guilt.
But the Sophists are wrong in their exposition; for, while
they acknowledge that famine, barrenness, war, pestilence, and other
scourges, come from God, they deny that God is the author of calamities,
when they befall us through the agency of men. This is false and
altogether contrary to the present doctrine; for the Lord raises up
wicked men to chastise us by their hand, as is evident from various
passages of Scripture. (1 Kings 11:14, 23.) The Lord does not indeed
inspire them with malice, but he uses it for the purpose of chastising
us, and exercises the office of a judge, in the same manner as he made
use of the malice of Pharaoh and others, in order to punish his people.
(Exodus 1:11 and 2:23.) We ought therefore to hold this doctrine, that
God alone is the author of all events; that is, that adverse and
prosperous events are sent by him, even though he makes use of the
agency of men, that none may attribute it to fortune, or to any other
cause.
Calvins com.
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Forums / Theology Forum / Does Evil Come From God?
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on: February 22, 2005, 05:31:39 PM
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i like isaiah 45;7 That is Gods decree.
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Forums / Theology Forum / Experiencing God,a Battle Or Just Resting
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on: February 26, 2005, 04:58:37 AM
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Its just like dlktrose said that the love of
God has been shed abroad in our hearts. His Spirit , the Person of the
Trinity witnesses with our spirits individually that we are His
children. That is Gods amazing love towards us. A love that will never
fail and an open invitation to His presence, a life time of praise,
worship, prayer,over flowing joy,salvation to the fullest, no more
condemnation Oh God of all glory create in us a clean heart, one that
pants after you!
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Forums / Break Room / Love Poetry
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on: February 25, 2005, 04:53:46 PM
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The God of all glory created us as a being.
The God of all glory created us as a being.
He exists in eternity as the Sovereign Trinity.
His eternal breath made man an eternal soul.
He made man in His image to make him transcendentally whole.
God made mans soul with mind, will, and emotions,
He enjoyed a peaceful unity, void of any commotion.
But the soul’s peaceful existence was interrupted,
When the body of sin entered, all its faculties were corrupted.
The mind, will, and emotions, were thrown into sins prison,
To appear before The Sovereign Judge for His final decision.
The heavenly soul’s existence was cast away,
Now hells eternal fury put the soul in dismay.
A created eternal being became en-caged.
His mind now darkened, his will in bondage, his emotions took center stage.
On the surface of his being, his emotions were unbridled,
But the mind took control; its darkened depths were unrivaled.
His emotions only clouded the depth of salvation's plea.
The darkened mind perceived the raw data and not the Trinity.
With the soul in jeopardy it made a willing plea,
For the souls will is the most attractive of the three.
The soul wills to be set free, but only by works you see.
For self will blinds the soul of making Christ its only plea,
Its self dominance that leaves the soul in an unhappy state,
For it is faith in Gods grace, the mind must embrace.
For my mind has always been in the Potters hand.
Every thought is molded according to His sovereign plan.
A willing to do right is a freedom in my soul.
For I have freedom to depend on the Holy Spirits control.
And, O the sweet emotions that are now my minds pleasure!
They inflame my soul with life, for His good pleasure.
O Holy Spirit, who hovers over creation,
Illuminate my soul’s desires for your work in my salvation.
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Forums / Theology Forum / Experiencing God,a Battle Or Just Resting
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on: February 24, 2005, 04:34:08 AM
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My mind has been working so here it goes. I
wonder if todays theology is full of philosophy. I mean do we in this
age of pluralism fall on the idol of inward causality. Are we obsessed
with looking into ourselves to try to find the image of who we are.
And then re seining ours to the other extreme in our quest for sovereignty to determinism? That God has His choices and that is that.
We make a god of our own when we conceive of Him in our own image. His
revelation of Himself is to be fully submitted to and that of the
whole.To imagine suspending a moral universe apart from the law giver
who enacts punishment for those who break that law is to ignore the
guilt one feels when he looks within himself for the comfort to continue
to break Gods laws. This truly is a battle that we are engaged in ;a
real spiritual battle. God is also the faithful, merciful God to law
breakers.When we worship at the altar of inward causality we loose the
privilege of experiencing His forgiveness. What is your thinking on this
subject?
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on: February 26, 2005, 07:05:50 AM
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I think that is half right. Looking at the bad
stuff is part of the healing process. Feelings of
loneliness,dispair,,hopelessness,rejection are all common in everyone.
Everyone deals with it in a different way. Some people can set aside all
these feelings and look perfectly normal. It depends apoun the persons
make up. Everyone cannot be judged alike in areas of depression. In this
day and age things go so fast and negative circumstances and feelings
are a menace to getting ahead. The sense of community as a spiritual
body has been fragmented also. That leaves some people in precarious
situations. In this kind of atmosphere of slander,judgmental,carnal conceptions of reality, the weak are terrible at existing in this environment. True freedom is preached in community and family. Areas of
depression come from a disjointed experience of the proper standard that
is to be displayed in Christ body and home life. To say that it is a
matter of sin seems to be simplistic, Because why should we hold someone
to a different standard than we keep ourselves that the bible says a
simple confession solves the sin problem. The central issue is trust in
Gods loving care and i dont agree that just taking Him at his word is
the simple answer. This is an easy answer on the lips of any one who are
no experiencing this trouble. I think of Jobs friends. Its a matter of
experiencing the presence of God, and experiencing eternal life. It
really boils down dealing with these problems on an individual basis.
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Forums / Theology Forum / Repenting Of Sin To Be Saved?
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on: February 26, 2005, 05:56:15 AM
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I think repentance looks different in
everybody. Some people have a lightening experience, some have an
abundance of sorrow and humiliation, followed by joy ,in some people it
is focusing on the sovereignty of God and are overcome with their
smallness, some people have little sorrow and alot of joy, some people
sit under teaching for years and dont know when they were saved but
repentance was worked in them over time. But the important thing is that
we are having sorrow over sin wanting to be perfect and casting our
confidence on Him and His righteousness.
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Forums / Theology Forum / What Is The Purpose Of Trials?
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on: March 02, 2005, 08:36:03 PM
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The quietness is not a bad thing to
experience. Its all the voices beneath the surface that are painful let
alone the stomach problems and the muscle tightness. Then there's the countenance, a projection of the inside that comes through in your
general appearance. In public you can be a monster to people. I think
that facing this in your humanness is extremely difficult. How do you
appear before others and have this appearance and survive the night?
This is the biblical reasoning. First you say to yourself they are going
to see that i am depressed so what. Thats just the first acknowledgement
and probably wont do much as time goes on. So there is this circle and
inside it is you and God and the saved and the unsaved. The saved should
be encouraging and the unsaved will not react that way. But God is in
complete control of them. You say ok God if i feel this way right now
you know what you are doing and you will take care of my oppressors.
Now, the minute by minute reaction is what i call silent meditation. I
have practiced this for many years.Oh i wanted to include this;anti
social is any one who thinks that they are outside this circle. Back to
my train of thought. Silent meditation is a thinking and speaking in
silence.Its a cry from the mood of the heart. A sorrowful heart is a deep
groaning of merciful plea to God for deliverance. And a happy heart is a
praise. When you are quiet you will do alot of silent meditation. This
is pleasing to God. Blessed are those who mourn for they will be
comforted. God has made it so simple that we only at times need to see
Him only.This is casting yourself on Him as your only hope. The more
pain the more Psalms pleas.When you suffer you will get good at this.
You will learn that this is the only good thing this earth has to
offer.His grace is so simple. I have not been depressed in a very long
time and still practice this in a group situations. I truely believe
that God will hear my cry or praise and bring a special grace to our
public gatherings. Christ went silent on His way to the cross. He did
not say a word until He was hanging there. I often wonder if He was
meditating in His silence. He keep on offering Himself to the Father the
one who could save Him. There on the cross He quoted from ps 22 My God
My God why have you forsaken Me? Was this His silent meditation on He
way to the cross? The second part of that Psalm is the result of His
death a psalm of hope. He was still human. Yet His silent suffering was
unfathomable. All the mental pain of the world. You could take all the
psalms about mans suffering liquify them and pour them into psalm 22 and
still not get close to that description of His suffering. His grace is
so simple and powerful.
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Forums / Theology Forum / Experiencing God,a Battle Or Just Resting
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on: March 04, 2005, 06:29:26 AM
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There are people who are dealing with souls
that have no confessional standards. This has devolved for a very long
time in the history of our country and prior to a curtain date it was
not seen. This devolution is will continue with people becoming more
desperate as the family becomes more fragmented just as the church has
and as a mirror of the church.Confessional disciples are evidence of
Christ rule over His church and that His program is being carried out.
This is Christ defined in vivid doctrines that will convict men of sin
and heal them. Their is the loving grace of God in all of this as He
works through fragmented agencies but there is a price to pay. We must
be loving but speak the truth. There will always be a remnant.
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Forums / Theology Forum / Antinomianism, What Is It?
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on: March 06, 2005, 05:16:47 PM
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Antinomianism- its such a long word i cut and pasted it. It is the belief that sovereign grace is all we need to
live the christian without any obedience to the ten commandments. It is a
total rejection of the law. Our relation to the law as unsaved is it
was our school master. We walked around with hatred toward God law -the
bible. We experienced condemnation and it was our cheif accuser. When we
are redeemed we are bought out of slavery to sin and bondage to the
law. It no longer is our schoolmaster. Christ came to redeem us from the
curse of the law. He fulfilled the law, in His perfect obedience to it
and in the punishment on our behalf. Now the law is good in that it
cannot save but it brings us to see our need for Christ because we
cannot keep it in its entirity and with our whole heart. We are still
required to be perfect but we always fall very short. Christ
righteousness is imputed to our account and in Him we can love the law.
People have a hard time understanding the relation between the law and sovereign grace.
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Forums / Theology Forum / Who Is Jesus
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on: March 06, 2005, 08:38:41 AM
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I don't think your can dumb down the gospel to
make it attractive. Tell them Christ came into the world to save
sinners and they can be saved if they trust in Him. But the gospel is
like planting seeds the heart of the person is like the ground. Many
seeds are thrown out before someone comes to Christ in normal
circumstances. God can do any thing He wants. I don't think a person can
understand the depth of the message in first believing. The important
thing is not to get a confession on the outside on the lips but a
believing in the heart. God saves people we just plant the seeds and
live the life not perfect but consistent. The gospel is a logical apologetic that starts with accepting the premise that God has spoken
and we must submit to every word. It is in the form of a command.You
must repent now! Or you will perish! It should strike at the pride of
man and make them mad. Look in acts they were gnashing their teeth. And
that message was not a simple turn to Christ it was an O.T. theology of
who Christ was and what the deserved and what they should do now. Now
2000 yrs later we have the completed word and a compilation of doctrines accumulated through preaching and set out to answer false doctrines on
who Christ is.That is a revelation of God, the word of God. we should
not hide whatever God reveals.The confessions are a lesser than the Word
of God. When someone disagrees with the word of God then you can go the
confession and find the error. The gospel is not just for the unsaved
but for us who believe. We live the gospel every day.Our obedience is a
gospel obedience. Evangelical obedience. The better the gospel is
understood the more effect it will have on the world. Let us stop
preaching about outward conformity to our own set of rules and preach
the doctrines and depth found in the word!
Yes it is worship. I love to meditate with some soft hymns in the
background the music is a gift from God to work on our desires. The
heart is been created by the counsel of the Trinity there in the garden.
It is as deep as the ocean who can go to its depths. No one can. We are
complex beings that cannot read our inmost being. The word searches the
heart. But we see through a glass dimly. We need to be gracious toward
others and our selves because we cannot read the heart.Dont be quick to
judge yourself in meditation. Spiritual insight comes with consistency.
The devil will accuse you of all kinds of things but he cannot read your
heart he just wants to keep you from the effects of Gods presence
through His word.
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on: March 05, 2005, 05:31:10 AM
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This recovery thing has two beach heads in the
bible. When we become christians we die to sin and live in Christ. Our
identification with Christ is the central focus of our experience. We
are made new creatures and are seen as already perfected in heaven. We persevere because He works in us and keeps us to the end. Without Him you
can do nothing. Yet sin remains in us and we continue to struggle. We
have a Sovereign Lord who rules in every area of our lives. We not only
deal with the addictions but we face the whole counsel of God. Every
word is to be submitted to. The outward sins are rooted with inward
corruption and we must get to the roots. Our lives are lives of
repentance.Just focusing on one sin could be a deception in us to pride
and self confidence which are the roots of every sin. We have a Holy God
and when we meet Him and draw near to Him we become undone. We are
struck in the heart with our sinfulness.Then we turn to Christ our
Savior not to ourselves for recover. What i cherish most will be what i
talk about the most.If cherish recovery i will talk more about it than
Christ. That i may be found IN HIM not having a righteousness of my own
which is through the law , but a righteousness that is from Christ.
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Forums / Break Room / So, How Do Yew Meditate?
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on: March 05, 2005, 09:13:24 AM
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It does feel like you exist in the world on
the senses. There is a quietness in a library but that is not the
spiritual quietness. I am not saying that you hear an audible voice in
meditation but a spiritual sense of the Holy Spirit. Just focusing on
meditation as a source of mortification is a mistake. Meditation is vilification more than mortification.Through heights of spiritual
awareness or affections in prayer you release your desire for sin a
gracious loving act of the Father to infuse your desires. The word is
the source it is internalize and the Spirit brings the effects of the
word on us.
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on: March 07, 2005, 06:18:22 AM
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Nursie Sin is an eternal problem. It is to big
for us to overcome in ourselves. In the fall sin corrupted every
faculty and body part. It took an eternal sacrifice to break sins power.
We being in Christ experience the break with sin at salvation. We are
saints through and through. Being saints is our identity , sin is now seen
as that foreign thing that dwells in us that we long to get rid of.
There is no equal powers in a believer. The power of resurrection is much
greater than the power of sin. Yet we still experience sin because the
remains are still there. Its not necessarily feeding it that is the
problem rather it is what comes out of us that we experience that is the
problem. You could lock yourself up in a room and still commit sins.The
battle with sin is a battle between the Spirit and sin. The Spirit
strives with us through the word to overcome sin. There are ups and
downs in this experience with our being over comers with time. But we are
always in our identity ,saints.
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Forums / Theology Forum / Antinomianism, What Is It?
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on: March 07, 2005, 04:32:26 AM
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WT- the ten commandments are not just letters
written on a page. There is the spirit of the law. Christ showed in the
Sermon on The Mount that the law extended not only to the outward
conformity but to the ATTITUDES OF THE HEART even the Apostle Paul
listed the [what we call] big sins with the heart sins in his letters to
the churches. The law is a simple description of who God is. He is Holy
which covers all His attributes. Unless we meet the requirements of the
law we could never inter His presence. When the O.T. prophet was
confronted by the presence of God he was struck in his heart by his sin
and replied Wo is me i am a man of unclean lips . Our worship is coming
before a Holy God . We cannot worship rightly unless we worship
according to His prescribed pattern. Our worship is only acceptable
because we have an advocate Jesus Christ who met the requirements of the
law. When we open the word of God the law is woven into every doctrine
in the entire bible. We have an obligation, the law shows us what our
obligation consist of. We then put sin to death by the Spirit.
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