Reconciliation is simply the same word as
saving relationship. The definition is making peace between two parties.
The apostle says that he brought nothing into his salvation. The rule
as a foundation for grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone is
that we only come to Him with one thing and that is our sin.
The
scripture teaches us that when we are saved we are fully made complete
in Christ. We are made definitively holy. This means that we can look in
the past beyond our salvation and know that God is renewing us to honor
by creating forgetfulness and a new history of redemption. But even tho
we already are fully complete in Christ we still must experience this
in our walk. In other words Christ not only gave us the gift of
salvation but He has already gone out before us and been successful. He
is the light that goes out before us.. He is the fire that consumes our
foes on every side. Since our salvation has already been completely
purchased for us then we are not the main focus but we are cheering our
leader on as we move along in this world. This is the exhortation by the
apostle prior to him talking about our walk in this world.
But
we still are not complete in our experience. We still must recon these
things to be so. We still must seek to put all of our confidence in the
gospel of grace. So we are still waiting to receive our full salvation.
Salvation is a confession rite up to the time it becomes a full reality.
We pronounce blessing and we cry out to God.
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on: July 25, 2013, 10:16:54 AM
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is it that shall be saved ? I like that word shall in scripture, for it
denotes certainty, ,it will occur ! It means something is sure to
happen by the promise and word of Him that cannot lie. Now here is a for
sure promise to everyone Christ died for, and by His Death Reconciled
them to God, even while they were being enemies/unbelievers, they all,
everyone of them, Shall be Saved !
Ah, but there's a contingency: "if
indeed you continue in the faith, grounded and steadfast, and are not
moved away from the hope of the gospel which you heard, which was
preached to every creature under heaven, of which I, Paul, became a
minister." - Colossians 1:23
No its not. The contingency is God's Word of Promise !
What do think an "if" clause is?
Yes
I agree and this verse is talking about being strong in the middle of
opposition. The rule is that those who are a friend of God are friends
of the friends of God and those who are enemies of God are enemies of
the friends of God. But there are two kinds of opposition. There is the
wicked opposition that we face and self righteous opposition. So the
second rule is if we are confident in the means of faith and it becomes
the area where there is a bone of contention then we are proceeding in
the face of the opposition. The subtext of this rule is that all those
who are really under the paradigm of the covenant of grace will only
rejoice...that being in the natural order ..how God has designed
relationships and the function of the earth as it is our domain as a
means to only rejoice in the prosperity of His people. We lay aside all
blame and honor Gods design. Blame in scripture is redefining that order
and practicing something outside of our design...animals, man, woman
etc. Otherwise we oppose those who oppose this confession. To cast blame
and not honor Gods design in a christian context is to curse. This
is why you cant copy the christian life without a continuous use of the
means. Because the way of God is by word. And what we say must be what
God thinks. How do we become wise? By continuously going to His word and
talking to Him in this honorable language. We cannot lay aside our own
desires if we do not understand them in the context of His word. The way
of God is a His counsel that is thinking thoughts after Him. Any other
context of seeking God is really spiritual adultery. This is to remain
steadfast- in the mist of opposition we create Gods kingdom by
pronouncing His word and calling on Him. In this context we separate the
chaff from the tree planted by streams of water. As we become more and
more opposed we resist the call of He trust in the Lord let the Lord
deliver Him. God is always leading us to greater conflict to grow in His
created word. The wicked curse God by trying to go in a way that is
not of peace. But the righteous place everything in Gods hands through
the curse of the law which is Gods righteous indignation.
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on: July 18, 2013, 05:14:10 PM
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mbg
You said the elect are reconciled from birth.
I have stated way more than that you have not even begun to address my points, but continue to evade them.
Thank
you for acknowledging that you believe people are reconciled at birth.
Now you have stepped forward and shown some conviction. You do not need
to pull a bunch of text out to support your position. Your position has
no historical basis. The two positions of any relevance are my position
and Jokers position. The reason that your position is irrelevant is
because it is a contradiction. You are basically saying the result of
belief which is one position and unbelief which is the opposite position
equal the same in relationship. Study the law of non contradiction.
"The Law of non-contradiction is one of the basic laws in classical
logic. It states that something cannot be both true and not true at the
same time when dealing with the same context."
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on: July 18, 2013, 01:30:58 PM
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mbg
Your theory turns in on itself.
Again, you have evaded and failed to address my points. You are way behind.
I
understand exactly what your intending. You said the elect are
reconciled from birth. I did not. That is a contradiction as i have
shown. YOur probably talking about infant baptism...i surmise... sense
your being so evasive.
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on: July 17, 2013, 02:12:13 PM
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mbg
I will rehearse your points when you take all of scripture and not proof text them.
Then you have no reason to debate me, if you cannot understand my points made with scripture.
Well
if this was a boxing match i knocked you out because I presented the
ephs verse and you had no response... i guess i won that round
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on: July 17, 2013, 11:25:49 AM
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mbg
Reconciliation and justification should not be mixed
I
did not ask you that . I asked you to rehearse my points that I made to
see if you understand them and why I made them from scripture.
I will rehearse your points when you take all of scripture and not proof text them. I like you because you argue...keep it up. 
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on: July 17, 2013, 10:49:39 AM
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Ah...
the inbetweener theology. God offers and it depends upon us to be
saved. Some people say that God is sovereign but man is responsible but
He will not be sovereign in our choices. So they create a contradiction
by depicting God as someone who reacts to the events of this world in
both extremes. God is an impersonal moral code that is set into motion
in which He is experienced as the ultimate dread when we sin and a
friend when we repent. God is robbed of His power and Christ is robbed
of His wealth.
And yet, if Paul meant exactly what he said,
Your Big God is willing to condescend so far as to plead with us. Huh?
What kind of a God is this? Mind blowing, isn't it?
God
condescends to us in our weakness. So He is God in our skin. Which seems
to us who are complicated to be without hope. We react in ways that are
never the same. But God meets us by enabling us to overcome and He
consumes our sorrow, anger, fear and anxiety. There is no love that we
experience that meets Gods standard of eternal love. We cannot handle
that kind of love but the power of the experience of love is enough to
give us a greater experience of glory and the consuming of our sorrows
is like taking a sedative from a physician. God comes to us as someone
who is able to extinguish us as He is, but responds to us in perfect
experienced equilibrium.
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