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God brought discipline to the Nation of Israel
by real punishment. Because they were reprobate. Yes they enjoyed the
benefits of the covenant but they were traitors to it...selling their
birth rites for a some soup. lol
And God always fulfilled the
desires of the righteous. How did He do this since they were swept away
in this awful judgment? He provided them with a worship that did not
depend upon the things of this earth. Because God has always had
fellowship with His people through spirit. So God must not be worshiped
in a local place but He demands worship from the heart.
What do
you think happened to His remnant when He severely punished these
reprobate traitors? God actually provided them with more longings for
their country than when it was healthy. You see when persecution comes
the church flourishes. The focus of Gods people sometimes gets blurred
by the wealth and luxury of a nation. But God promises to bring His
people before Him ...to see the light of His glory by keeping them with
the company of vile offenders. Because God wants His people to not focus
on their own strength and gifts but God wants to prepare blessing at
the expense of the vile reprobates. So God judges the reprobates while
using their thefts of the nations wealth for His inheritance.
But
this is not the fundamental way that God blesses His people. Rather God
wants to create a thirst that comes out of the world being like a rough
ocean so that His people cry out. Now this is strong cries and tears so
that He will deliver His people from bring totally destroyed. God must
gift us with His presence in the mist of our trials or we will be
burdened to the point of death.
The way God does this is through the
righteous. We learn how to disentangle ourselves from this world through
the art of transparency. It is an experience were we roll all of our
troubles over to God and we experience a release and a sense of mystery.
God comes to us with this divine sense of majesty and wonder. So we
find that we are experiencing the separation from so that we feel a
sense of hope out of the wonders of Gods promises . So we experience a
kind of dulling of the worlds powers and at the same time we forget what
we were being entangled by the cares of this world. We as it were
experience a divine transparency. With this comes a future deliverance
that is stored up in heaven for us.
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on: April 26, 2012, 10:09:38 AM
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MBG, I wish more people had your wisdom. I
think I understand what you're saying, but it's really hard to merely
"rest" in what God defines for us and reveals in us, when you have
random strangers who think they can tell you what to say, how to act,
what you are limited by, etc., simply because they see your whole gender
as in need of their great "wisdom" and domination. I can
relate to my husband, trust him, and go through the whole give-and-take
of understanding with him over time, but strange men who think they can
define who I am and how I ought to act...those are the ones that make me
really, really angry. As you mentioned, I can trust that they
will eventually become "His trophies", but there are many times I would
like to see them stuffed and mounted long before that time!  .
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on: April 25, 2012, 11:55:50 AM
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Rom 7 13
But sin, etc. With no intention to
offend others, I must state it as my opinion, that this passage ought
to be read as I have rendered it, and the meaning is this, — “Sin is in a
manner regarded as just before it is discovered by the law; but when it
is by the law made known, then it really obtains its own name of sin;
and hence it appears the more wicked, and, so to speak, the more sinful,
because it turns the goodness of the law, by perverting it, to our
destruction; for that must be very pestiferous ....bringing or bearing
disease....., which makes what is in its own nature salutary
....favorable to or promoting health; healthful....... to be hurtful to
us.” The import of the whole is — that it was necessary for the atrocity
of sin to be discovered by the law; for except sin had burst forth into
outrageous, or, as they say, into enormous excess, it would not have
been acknowledged as sin; and the more outrageous does its enormity
appear, when it converts life into death; and thus every excuse is taken
away from it.
Here Calvin says that our first repentance
was the experience of the law as a disease.. that being hurtful to us.
Which is taken away in our life of transformation.
17. Now it is no more I who do it, etc.
but Paul here denies that he is wholly possessed by sin; nay, he declares himself to be exempt from its bondage, as though he had said, that sin only dwelt in some part of his soul, while with an earnest feeling of heart
he strove for and aspired after the righteousness of God, and clearly
proved that he had the law of God engraven within him. 225
Here
Calvin says that Paul treated sin as that thing not to bring Him in
bondage ...that being to the process of the law being a slave master
...that destructive process.. because of the earnest feeling of the heart.
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Forums / Key Life Forum / Re: Three pre-paid sins?
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on: April 25, 2012, 10:21:40 AM
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No,
because Jesus didn't come and die for your sins so you could continue
to be in bondage to sin. That wouldn't be much of a salvation or a
rescue on His part.
So if you have unlimited free sins,
then isnt that freeing you from the bondage of sin? Seems like it to
me, because you stop worrying about your goodness (or I should say
badness) and put your focus on other things like having a milkshake with
a friend or doing something for God that you wouldn't normally do
because you would be worried that you wouldn't do a good enough job.
Seems like obsessing with rules and following the spirit 24/7 is a
pretty big burden to me. It is freeing when you do the same thing, but
know that you have 3 free sins if you don't exactly get it right. You
are free to try and free to fail and free to take a risk. You are free
to be loved too. 3 free sins isnt saying to the sinner, hey your
sin doesn't matter so continue to sin (haha winky winky), but rather to
the Christian who has tried to purify his or her heart and actions and
failed to get it right time after time.
So if you have unlimited free sins, then isnt that freeing you from the bondage of sin?
…Absolutely
not. If you continue to sin then you're still in bondage to sin and the
flesh (just like an unbeliever) ...according to Paul in Romans Rom 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. Rom
6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey,
his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of
obedience unto righteousness? Rom 6:17 But God be thanked, that ye
were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of
doctrine which was delivered you. Rom 6:18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness. Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. Walking after the Spirit means to obey God. Rom 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. Sinning
does not please God. If you think God is unpleased with you because of
your sin then you are right. Stop sinning or get saved. Rom 8:9
But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the
Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of
Christ, he is none of his. Rom 8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. Rom 8:12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. Rom
8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through
the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. Here is a key verse to consider: Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. Rom
8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but
ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. Rom 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: When
we are born again and choose to “follow Jesus” (implies action or
doing) the Holy Spirit is placed in us. The Spirit lets us know in a
personal way that we belong to God and that God loves us. The only
ones that ever wonder if God loves them are the religious unsaved who
are resisting God or believers who almost never read and study their
Bibles daily and fall into one sin after the other due to their
ignorance and maybe rebellion against reading God’s Word. We know what
the fruit of rebellion gets you. Steve’s three sins are poison
to believers and based on a confused view of the Bible and how people
are saved and how the save must “walk” in their new life. The
saved person already knows God loves them. Too many believers forget to
continue to have faith in God’s Word and turn to their feelings for
confirmation of love and acceptance. You can not put your faith in your
feelings. Because they don’t “feel” love or forgiveness they think God
doesn’t love them. This is not in God's Word! The believer must first put their “faith” in the “fact” of God’s Word and “feelings” play last in the formula. This is the only way for a believer to walk in their Christian life. On the other hand if a person continues to be in bondage to sin then they are most likely still unsaved. Thor 
Walking
after the Spirit is walking according to Gods word. What does God say
about us? He says that if I held your sin against you no one could
stand. I do not think God was just talking about the sins like the
outward sins but the religious ones too. Like claiming to believe
something that is not accurate as well. And presenting it as the truth.
Because any time we speak for ourselves that is not accurate to the word
of God we slip and fall. Grace covers all of our sins. Grace is Gods
unmerited favor that grants us His unfailing love. His unfailing love
is the only available ability that we have for receiving grace. Grace is
Gods free gifts to us according to His covenant. In His covenant He
promises to complete in us what He has started. So that all of our lives
are lived by the ability and the power of God. That means that any
thing we receive.. even those things we worked for are given to us by
God by His grace alone. So we do not appeal to Him on the basis of
our position before Him as a sinner but we appeal to Him on the basis of
His unfailing love. The reason that we do this is because He says that
our wills need to be spiritually forced to see God as He is so that we
find all of the praise for our ability in God working on our behalf. God
proves He is faithful by upholding His name in us. He does this by His
unfailing love. This means that God describes all the work that His
saints do as He is working alone. lol Now this is interesting. Because
God actually goes out before us and creates a way of righteousness. Now
this is really encouraging. God actually proves His answer to our desire
to have success by His unfailing love alone that He speaks on the
sinners behalf as if He did the work Himself. lol So God in His grace
that covers our sins forgets our weaknesses and covers over all of our
faults. So He re images us in the world to prove He is just and right by
what He does through us. lol. Now how can we take ourselves so
seriously if God overlooks our sins and treats us as a son? We are so
loved that we feel a sense of utter helplessness knowing that God loves
us even tho we fail miserably. In other words we do not just feel that
our sin deserves His just wrath but we feel that we have no answer to
our sin as if we could do something about it to please God. So we have a
real understanding of our inability by telling God that we are
concerned for our sin. In other words God reveals Himself to those who
are transparent before Him. God comes down to our level and deals
with us as we are dust. He actually pities us. Because He deals with us
by proving HIs faithfulness first so that we would not be burdened to be
under the load of guilt and sin. God must love us beyond our level of
dust to prove He is faithful to show the world His kindness through
broken vessels. Thor is misquoting scripture.. i am telling you
scripture in various parts of the bible. I dont think i wrote without
thinking of a part of scripture.
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on: April 24, 2012, 12:22:15 PM
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Gouda,
do you think there is a difference between liking something and
demanding it? I said I would like those things. If I met a woman who
actually enjoyed doing those things for me then that would be my dream
woman. Some women actually enjoy being homemakers and serving their
husbands like Kings of the castle.
If I was married and my wife was sick with a fever I would be taking care of her, not asking her to iron my boxer briefs.
I
don't know what an A.I group is either but I picture it as an
artificial intelligence group whose goal is to create a robotic maid
like in the Jetsons who cooks and cleans and fluffs pillows while I
relax on the comfy chair with my iPad.
Yes, I absolutely
believe there is a difference between liking and demanding. The thing
is (and I may be biased due to limited experience), I see such demands
made generally more on the woman than on the man in the church. We
hear the perfect (and impossibly attainable) Proverbs 31 woman thrown
at us so much it makes us ill. We are taught to stuff down our own
wants and desires and taught our place is submission from our early
childhood. We're taught to "be nice" no matter what. We get the garbage
articles like the one you posted about why we are to be doormats
without any identity or desires of our own. We fill most of the
volunteer positions at the church, give most of the money, buy most of
the Christian books, etc., and yet, we are still told we should be
giving more and expecting less, because it is our rightful place to
serve. (Fair or not, that's what I've seen.) And if we ever
grumble, or ask for something different, we're told something like you
said, that we're supposed to totally enjoy "serving our husbands like
King of the castle." We really are not a different species--we feel the
same selfishness, hopes, and dreams that you do. I am pleased to
serve my husband because I trust him. I know when I'm down and need
someone to support and serve me, he will be there. I would even serve
him for a long, long time even if he let me down often, but eventually I
would give up hope on the relationship if he was never really "there"
for me. I'm human. Women have needs, too, and are not any more capable
of unending selfless love than any man. And, thanks for the laugh on that last paragraph! That was funny.
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Forums / Key Life Forum / Re: Three pre-paid sins?
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on: April 24, 2012, 10:32:44 AM
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The gospel is not a message to control the
masses. It speaks of complete destruction through the work of Christ. If
the description of the destruction of all that oppose the gospel was
seen by those who live by the law then in some ways God is powerless to
act in Himself to make a person righteous in His sight. The gospel is
not just a message to receive but its the power of God that saves a
person. lol The gospel is the medicine.
We must understand that
God has done the work necessary to give us an inward experience of joy
and confidence. God is deeply concerned about the way we feel in our
earthly experience. He is focused on the way we feel. Because salvation
is going from a state of misery and bondage to a state of freedom and
joy. How can we say that God is faithful if we do not experience the
effects of salvation? Can we lower the standard of gospel experience in
this feeling area by saying that all of our confidence is self pride?
Yes,
in not understanding ourselves we can miss represent Gods salvation.
Because salvation is not just something that makes us better but its
deliverance from slavery and bondage to the law. Because the principle
of the law is to curse those who do not obey it. So the curses surround
the person who lives by the law as a school master. The person is blind
and would never ask personal questions about himself in His relationship
to God as Father. He would never understand all of the gifts that come
out of heaven that prove God is faithful. But the gospel is a
deliverance from all of the bad inward experiences. We call this being
converted.
Conversion has an identity that is deeply personal.
Because conversion is going from a state of misery and bondage to the
experience of freedom and rejoicing. So the effects of conversion are a
deep state of peace and tranquility. When we say to ourselves how do i
feel about this worship that is something that supports the question "Do
i experience conversion?" Or is this just another way of being in a
state of continuous anxiety and feeling like i have been accused?
Because the gospel converts us from a life of accusations to a life of
confidence and joy even tho we still sin.
How do we judge our
conversions? By focusing on the experience of inward deliverance. Prior
to our being delivered from sin and misery we were in a pit of anxiety
and slavery. But God delivered us from that pit and put a new song in
our hearts. These songs are songs of conversion. They express the
experience of our going from misery to joy. God actually does not treat
us as slaves but as sons. Now to be changed into the image of Christ we
must experience being accepted like a son who lives in the family by the
principle of love and acceptance. Or unfailing love.
The reason
why we do not know ourselves is because we have never sought to the
unfailing kindness of God as if it was a direct message to us from our
Father. So we are confused about what is pride and what is real
acceptance. But to not focus on conversion is to fail to move on in our
christian life by looking in all the wrong places for real acceptance
and joy. We fail to watch our hearts. We have lost our first love. That
first time when we experience the saving effects of conversion. That
rest from or works and our guilt. We now feel guilty for having
confidence in our feelings. lol
But God delivered us from the
pit so that we might be filled with confidence and joy unspeakable. He
gave us the experience of conversion so that we might seek this
experience which is His joy that we are so persistent to find Gods most
mysterious love. Its being converted by the communication of His
goodness and kindness. Has your heart be so enlarged that you feel like
any more and you will burst ? Do you seek a worship that is spiritual or
are you satisfied with just the physical act itself? When have you
asked yourself how do i feel about this worship? When have your renewed
longings been satisfied to the point where you experience real rest?
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