1621	Forums / Theology Forum / Re: What Sin Is & What Sin Does And it's not free	on: February 09, 2012, 02:43:44 PM
Let me talk about sin and the power of the curse. When sin rules a nation then the foundations are uprooted. So we have a cursed society. Or we have a society upside down. So the normal avenues of communication enforce a kind of mental illness. I mean we can take a word like sin in the context of the culture that we live in and twist it to a different form. I think this happens when there are no real leaders. I also believe that in order for us to understand how all of this connections to authority structures part of the destroyed foundations we must begin to apply it to the fundamental causes. I believe to simply describe this in a two line fashion or in a democratic way as the context of national sins is not biblical. But we must start with God in heaven and apply His ruling authority over the leaders. We must not avoid that a small group of people can cause the whole society to fall into all kinds of evil. This is why the bible gets to the heart of the issue. Because a whole lot of people can be victims of a few men. I am thinking of specific verses here. Sin is not just a violation of law but there are bad laws. This is why we start with God. Because sin really is in the form of a scheme. I dont think you can equalize evil as if one sector was responsible for their lives and another theirs but sin really is a destructive personality. The point being that we are not trying to make good people but a society of helping the helpless and having redemption as the personality of our communication. We must see that sin is a communication that is opposed to Gods word. Its an elaborate web of deceit that ensnares ones neighbor. This is where we get serious about finding the redeeming motif. Im thinking about some verses here. I do not think we can avoid that sin is like a disease. Its spread like a virus. But in a society its spread through evil men who prosper. I mean if you take society from its christian context your going to get abusive results. Because sin is death being spread. Death is what the law speaks to those it abuses. This is the same thing as everyone is a law unto themselves .Or its being without God. Not necessarily that they will not know how to act but that in using the law they destroy their neighbor. We must understand that God is not a social worker but He actually pronounces life or death. lol Sin is like a disease in that we find a group that is blessed and another group that is cursed. I do not know how you can distinguish the whole human race as sinners and yet in distinguishing the elect from the reprobate there is a huge difference. Sinners... the arrogant... the lawless and evil rulers are not the saints.lol These are categories of what the bible terms enemies of faith and those who have faith. To simply say that the bible teaches about sin and it applies it to all men is very vague and not epistemologically sound. Rather we must not only see these two kinds of people but the bible itself uses disease as an analogy to the curse of sin. In a sense we could say there are vampires who only die with a stake driven in their hearts. They are cursed of the pain of death in light exposure. These concepts are not evil.
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1622  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: What Sin Is & What Sin Does And it's not free on: February 09, 2012, 01:44:12 PM Sin is any violation of the law...its rebellion against lawful authority..its missing the mark..its pride and arrogance... Sin most of all is a curse. The law condemns sinners and those who violate in one small letter of the law are forever cursed by God. What is a curse but its to wish to be cut off from the present generation. To pronounce eternal judgement upon the law breaker. There is no hope for law breakers. If someone does not face eternal consequences immediately the curse works against them to destroy them. The law is always alive and the curse is always before their eyes. The reason that law breakers are cursed is because mens eyes can never be satisfied. You give a man a little freedom and his eyes grow to want to rule every one. The practice of sin is the same thing as a person that threatens his neighbor with harm. Every man in his heart is a murderer. And if given the opportunity the man would kill every man in order to prove that he is to be followed. Because one violation of the law of God is to murder ones neighbor. This is why men who are under the curse of sin are full of pride and deceit. Because they declare independence from God. They refuse to have God in all their thoughts. So their eyes are full of lust and murder. They grow powerful by destroying others. God cannot allow men to shake their fist in His face. He must curse them by increasing their pain. He must destroy their pleasure for their sin and then render them powerless to abuse other people. When God curses a man with blindness and mental illness He leaves Him in the chains of his own sin. Because the man did not seek God and take refuge in God. The world is very simple. Those who find God as their all in all will seek after Him. Those who know God will call upon God in the day of trouble. Those who know God will come to Him as they are. All men stand before God as condemned. They are facing eternal punishment away from the presence of God. There is no one who seeks after God. Every man lives a short life on this earth and goes into eternity. Every day you watch one man die and then another one. All men are under the curse of death. If God were to allow even rulers to last through all generations they would oppress the poor and destroy the helpless. God must rule this earth as He is the only one who has existed through all generations or the earth would be consumed in death and misery. Sin has not only proved that God is rite but its brought about utter hopelessness from one generation to another. The earth has become a place of death and misery. The man who knows God comes to God as a sinner. The man who knows God comes to God as a law breaker. There are no saints who come to God as faithful or proven good. All good men approach God on the basis of Gods name. We approach a holy God who accepts sinners.. not just the little rule breakers but the really bad sinners. There is only one thing we can appeal to God for. Its mercy and grace. No man will approach a God who judges violators of His law. Only those who do not know God imagine Him to be a wicked and harsh taskmaster. All those who love God will praise Him. God offers pardon to the worse law breakers because He alone is able to forgive and redeem a man. There is not limit to Gods loving a man.There is no time where a sinner who comes as he is for mercy and grace to be rejected or condemned. We have an offer from God with open arms to come and receive new life. I will talk about our cursing sinners as necessary for giving it into Gods hands. Reply Quote Notify

1623  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: dinosaurs, age of the earth, etcetera on: February 09, 2012, 12:50:18 PM Quote from: THOR on February 09, 2012, 12:13:24 PM It looks faked to me. Where is the water turbulence around the animal? Also It looks like an Indian elephant...no hair either. Thor   I dont believe in natural selection from one species to another. I think there still exist because of numerous sitings and because these creatures were created by God. Yes some of them have become extinct but in the remote parts of the earth some may have survived.  I know that they found a dead carcass of a Pterodactyl within the last twenty yrs. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wM4wn_xXavc This one looks like a Pterodactyl to me..... here is a picture of this bird like the one flying around in youtube .....http://current.com/entertainment/wtf/89414711_thunderbird-sightings-reported-pteranodon-from-age-of-dinosaurs-still-exists.htm Reply Quote Notify

1624  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: A question I've been thinking about and struggling with... on: February 09, 2012, 11:24:32 AM Heres the thing i think we get confused about. If man could promise God to turn over a new leaf do you think that God would trust him? I mean look all this focus on addiction and the culture of evil in this world. Now look at it from Gods view. God sees more than the smoking and drugs and sex lol... God sees the thoughts and all those hateful responses to His goodness in creating the world and in sustaining it. He sees all the fist shaking in His face. Do you see Gods level of viewing addiction? God does not get fooled by show or the outward worldly systems. In fact God may see the lowest person but He is busy opposing all the powerful rebellion of world governments and the rich of this world. But if a man who was a rebel came and promised to amend his rebellion . If a man was addicted to defying God do you think God is foolish enough to take the man up on that deal? Are you crazy? If a man promised to go to church every sunday... read his bible every day...work all the good programs... give to the poor .. do you think God would offer His trust in this addicted man? Not a chance. God cannot trust a fallen human race. God must act in a way where He does the good and gets the glory. Because He knows that man will screw it up if God does not bring man along on His coat tails. God must offer more than a chance. God must destroy all rebellion and save some people. The problem with this world is not that they just defy God but they do it with impunity. Man actually lives like he is stronger than God. Now if i a second party told you that you could lift the empire state building and you told me to meet you at the bottom of the building the next day to prove your strength would you just consider me a rebel or crazy? Thats exactly what the world is in all of its glamor..the beauty of its wonders ..the bottom line is its crazy. God must rule the world.   Reply Quote Notify

1625  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: A question I've been thinking about and struggling with... on: February 09, 2012, 10:54:26 AM People who think they have libertarian freedom are just imagining that their choices are determining their success. When we live by the philosophy that our personal choices determine our success or failure we are simple defining our view of this world. As ive been saying we live in the reality of our own minds. What we do is limited by how much power we possess in doing it. In other words i may think that i have totally free choices to jump off the mountain but my ability to survive limits my freedom to show what i am intrinsically capable of as someone to be followed. So we look at jumping off the mountain as the most extreme case of being unable and then we go through a sliding scale in light of each individuals propensities and abilities being limited in some way. To conclude that everyone is determined by his free choices is to put all men on the same level of ability. Because of what i just described as being an argument of all men being created with the same level of choices. What you may express as freedom may not be freedom to the next guy. So if we say that we are the ones who determine our own direction ..and everyone is saying they are determining their own direction then why not have a premium on the super race of choosers? lol.  Why not blame someone else for their lack of ability that infringes on your freedom? And so this is what i am describing as the kingdom of men. lol Man was given what he wanted. He was given knowledge to go his own way. Which is interesting to me. Before the fall man was free to choose between good and evil with no reason to choose evil. So Satan said to man .. there is something that God does not want you to know. There is a knowledge outside of Gods knowledge that God is keeping you from. The bible says that it was knowing sin. But the knowledge in the biblical sense is to know intimately.  Man had no knowledge of evil prior to the serpent appearing and opposing God. So Eve was given a knowledge that someone was opposing God. But that knowledge was not evil. That knowledge did not lead man to this other knowledge of evil. When Eve took and ate then she knew the other knowledge experientially. What happen was that man as a sinner became his own god. Ok now all of the learning that man accumulates is done with a motive to rebel against God. Adam had offspring and they had offspring. Everyone born in Adams offspring are able to try to defy God. And how do they defy God? Certainly not by thinking God to be dead. lol Man hides his hatred for God to eliminate God by accumulating knowledge to prove his image of being his own god. lol The knowledge that man chose in the garden was his freedom to do as he pleases in order to prove that he knows best. lol. Its that simple.           Reply Quote Notify

1626  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: dinosaurs, age of the earth, etcetera on: February 09, 2012, 08:33:24 AM http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4116326/Woolly-mammoth-spotted-in-Siberia.html Reply Quote Notify

1627  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: dinosaurs, age of the earth, etcetera on: February 07, 2012, 05:08:23 PM I believe that a few species of dinosaurs exist today on the remote parts of the earth. I believe this is one here. http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/02/07/icelands-loch-ness-monster-lagarfljts-worm-captured-on-film-video-_n_1259352.html http://www.1timothy4-13.com/files/bible/dino.html Reply Quote Notify

1628  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: A question I've been thinking about and struggling with... on: February 07, 2012, 01:03:32 PM John let me give you some words of wisdom. If man was able to have a free choice between good and evil then he is a god. If you said that your good choices were because of something in you then whatever choice i make that is good that goes against your good choice then who is rite? Obviously the one who has more power.And this is the way the world is. One man takes credit for his wisdom at the expense of another man. This autonomy is what the bible calls every man does what is rite in his own eyes. The bible however says "BUT GOD." Mans freedom is not given license but is opposed by God. The truth is that every man is really dead in sins and trespasses. That is a direct quote from Paul. lol So there is only one real judge. There is only one Person in the universe that can condemn a man. There is only one Person in the universe that can charge a man with wrong doing. Morals are not a matter of free choice but they are Gods nature as He is. lol This is why God says all men have become corrupted. All men do not seek after God. All men have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.This is the true condition of all men. So we say that for the grace of God all men will lead us down the wrong roads.  Reply Quote Notify

1629  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: A question I've been thinking about and struggling with... on: February 07, 2012, 12:40:41 PM John, Calvinism is Pauline. If you look at Rom 6 and Ephesians 1 and take the literal meaning of scripture ...not trying to fudge on the words ... then God really is absolutely sovereign. But some people like to answer Who can resist His will? with a "but".. lol as my friend Willis does. Two points of answering you directly about your particular questions. First there are some people who believe that before God created the world He decided to save some people and condemn the others. This is not entirely correct. God created every thing and then He pronounced it all good. Now God is the only one who is good. So obviously everything He creates is good. But at the same time God orders all things for His own glory. Why do we think it is essential for God to be the author of everything that exist? Because if there is a cause of anything we must believe that God was here before it was created or else it happens by chance. But we know that in order for anyone to judge things correctly in this world they do not believe that anything they do is attributed to something else. Obviously we make things before they are of use. If in fact we make them it is because there was fore thought in that they exist. There was planning and the exercise of our faculties in order for them to come out as our product. So we say that things exist as personal to us because they were created by a being. Not out of a thing or nothing. You can look at it like this. God who is present every where is seen by the complexity of things when we go back and study origins so that it is evident that it was out of fore thought that it came into existence. In other words instead of things being simplified out of chance it is the opposite. They become more complex as we study origins. And this is sort of the way God is as He is omni present. His fore thought is so complex then we must acknowledge that no thought exist on its own as we study the origin of the meta physical. God has put boundaries on mans knowledge. So that Gods knowledge as the origin of forethought is beyond our understanding. So we must believe that when He says He does things we do not understand we take it that He knows more than we do. lol But if we say that we are totally free of Gods fore thought in the creation of our own ideas then we in essence say that we have an independent thought. So we say there are some things that God does not know by fore thought. Which is to say that God does not know some things that are future. Remember now that in order for us to know ourselves we must acknowledge God as God. So we always go in origins to complexity or God is smaller than our complexity. God must be sought and found as mysterious also in that the way He ordains all things to come to pass is beyond our understanding as to how He does this. We cannot exalt God unless we go from the simple view of things to the complex nature of origins unto the belief that His thoughts are beyond our number. Ok ive got enough at this point. Reply Quote Notify

1630  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: Freedom For The Addicted on: February 07, 2012, 10:58:02 AM  I can remember the 3 yrs i had of mental anguish. I thought i was gonna die. Not realizing that my life was in His hands in the sense that it was so painful that i almost lost my sanity i did the only thing i was required to do. I never...now listen .. i never considered that it was a pleasure to be so destroyed in order for Him to get the glory. I never wanted to serve a God that was like a slave master. The thing we are required to do is only one thing. God has given us the total remedy for mental anguish. He has provided us a way of relief. There is no other option. Yes He does lead us very clearly in the direction He wants us to go. But this direction is always what He promises. He leads us into deliverance. Every one of us has the full attention of our loving Father. Why would He allow me to be so destroyed? Well if i was to look back in regret then it would be a lack of trust in His goodness. So not only do we have the promise of deliverance but we have the erasing of our sins of our youth. God is not molding us as a great Lord in the heavens who is shut up in His holy ends. He is not molding us so that we will forever be a slave to His making it painful. He is not molding us through the agency of wicked sorrow and evil regret. He is molding us through one thing. Its His word of deliverance. I was in the most painful pit that anyone could be experiencing. I had severe depression... almost to the point of being burdened beyond belief. But i was not going to be dissuaded from crying out for deliverance. There was no person on earth that i could trust in but only something was far away from me at that time. I only had a  word of promise. There was no good feelings.. there was no real message of love. It was like breathing out pain and breathing in depression. I could not look up. There was this one Psalm that made me see a real meaning of the word.It was a Psalm that said " i trust in your word. " So when the Psalm says to praise Him i just praised Him in pain. When a Psalm said i am like a bird alone on the roof i just went to that most sever pain like it was His hand pressing on my most painful spot. I would go from the pain expressed and not find relief. Listen God is not trying to destroy us . Mental pain is the worse pain in the world. Its more painful than any kind of physical distress i have had to endure. But what does it mean that our lives are in His hands? It means that we have the ability to cry out for deliverance. We do not need to do nothing with our mental to physical pain. What does it mean to feel helpless in the arms of a loving Father? It means that we can express what we are going through and still waste away but never give up calling for deliverance. God will not break the smoldering flax. He will not snap the small stem. He will deliver us .His deliverance is in our cry for deliverance. We can be on our backs and not feel anything and still offer up a cry for deliverance out of our pain. We may be in darkness of soul. We may not think we will ever escape. But God is leading us through our cries for deliverance. Just because i escaped this darkest trial of depression does not mean that i do not experience pain and darkness. It just means that i have a perspective in the past where i was stretched beyond the hope of life. God is really slow. I mean i have a timetable that is always on this path of deliverance. I want to experience ongoing deliverance. I want to be freed from all regret. I see people who live in the past and talk about faith as if its focusing on the past in order to get to the next day. Ive never heard those kinds of voices of regret. When i was in the most severe depression i was forced to focus on deliverance because in being in his hands thats the only choice i had. So it required me to know that He was not remembering the sins of my youth.  Let me talk about mental anguish and social anxiety. Social anxiety is real. When we are depressed we are afraid of other people seeing the obvious. So we know that people can be really mean. Its just the nature of the beast to be competitive.  But we must let God do what He wants to with them. We cannot control other peoples mean jeers and destructive attitudes. We must visit our social pain with anger only to God. We must tell God how we are being treated even tho they may be rite about our depression. We must get to the point where we actually experience that God is the only one who can treat us with real compassion. There is nothing wrong when there is extreme pain to find comfort in our heads in talking to God. I hope that this will comfort you seeing that you may be going through severe mental pain. I was told to write this. I understand.     Remove Reply Quote Notify

1631  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: Freedom For The Addicted on: February 07, 2012, 08:23:48 AM We are what we think. Not creating what we think but understanding ourselves by our transparency before God is how we come to view real reality. Everything in our minds and everything in the universe is only true because it has been revealed to us. We live in our own minds as to what we are and what the is the reality of the other person. No one ever shares individual glimpses of their own reality with another person. We all think our own thoughts and have our own view of reality. We are not eternal connected meta physical beings. lol. The only unity is the sharing of the reality of revealed knowledge. The value of connection is being united in One Spirit. We all are becoming what we are not by the reality of recreation. So we view all reality in our constant changing as that by which we create value in who we are in this recreation. There is no thing that is the same in real reality. Things are always changing because there are a million views in the thoughts of God ordering all the thoughts of men to create order out of disorder. So our view of reality in being united is out of a sense that Gods thoughts are being revealed to us. Our reality that we live in is real as we see this renewal as the sustaining of life that we cannot define and know what He has said about us is the only reality in which we know ourselves and others. We live in our own view of what is reality. Read this once a day it will create real dependence. LOL Remove Reply Quote Notify

1632  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: Reformed Doctrine on: February 07, 2012, 07:55:53 AM The most experienced psychologist or observer of human nature knows infinitely less of the human heart than the simplest Christian who lives beneath the Cross of Jesus. The greatest psychological insight, ability, and experience cannot grasp this one thing: what sin is. Worldly wisdom knows what distress and weakness and failure are, but it does not know the godlessness of man. And so it does not know that man is destroyed only by his sin and can be healed only by forgiveness. Only the Christian knows this. In the presence of a psychiatrist I can only be a sick man; in the presence of a Christian brother I can dare to be a sinner. The psychiatrist must first search my heart and yet he never plumbs its ultimate depth. The Christian brother knows when I come to him: here is a sinner like myself, a godless man who wants to confess and yearns for God’s forgiveness. The psychiatrist views me as if there were no God. The brother views me as I am before the judging and merciful God in the Cross of Jesus Christ." - Dietrich Bonhoeffer, Life Together (pp. 118-119) Remove Reply Quote Notify

1633  Forums / Break Room / Re: Madonna.... on: February 06, 2012, 08:26:54 AM I think its a brilliant peace of music. Shes comparing this person to the devil because the relationship with that person has more mystery than real connection. And she cant give it up because she likes the challenge of which i guess she thinks the pain is worth it. Like making a deal with the devil.  Reply Quote Notify

1634  Members Only / Purgatory / Re: The Art of War on: February 05, 2012, 03:21:08 PM This is very simple..you are going from the premise that as long as someone is doing the rules then the system works. But we know that unless we are able to examine that system then we are limiting free speech and expression. To limit free speech is to teach someone to simply obey because it is the success. Ok if you question Calvinism then your a fail.. ha ha...i got you.And dont expect to be helped in my group. LOL Remove Reply Quote Notify

1635	Forums / Theology Forum / Re: Death of the "eternal torture" doctrine	on: February 05, 2012, 03:04:41 PM
Big Orange let me straiten some things out here as to your understanding exactly what i am saying. Ive tried to explain this to a lot of people because in memorizing the ot worship book there are certain threads that go through it...what i call lines that we cannot cross. So this distinction that i am making is not my own thinking but its been many yrs and meditation on these chapts as well as the nt that i have learned to think without having to wonder what voice is His. I do not think tho its entirely accurate in one conversation but in seeking the clear threads in our salvation even our worse mistakes in the mode of defending are made good by Him. Let me say that i am not attacking any one ...i am simply saying that those who have a bother by this message and understand how awful it is are ones who can take heart and not look at it as an attack but as being defended by God. First this is why its always worse than we think it is even tho we know God and see how awful it is. Because its to our own good to be encouraged that the wicked will receive their just rewards for all the suffering in this world. In other words we are not the world but we go into the house and sit at the dinner table with the King and He begins to describe the end from the beginning and it makes us not only feel secure but makes us proud of Him that He is so personally responsive to our trials. So i am not addressing those who refuse to come into the invited dinner for everyone. But we cannot fudge on the truth because on the one hand there is no other option but to either be cursed or blessed. A lot of people think that the message to the elect is the message to the Nation of Israel. They do not see the difference between an evangelical message and a message to those who are inside the house. So they see all this repentance and condemning language of the prophets who were the nations evangelist and they conclude that the gospel is simply a on message to everyone with the same tone and the same appeal. But if we simply went to church and got the repentance in the gospel sense then we would never be taught to go on from these repentance from dead works. Now we must understand that we are dealing with the blind and those who can see. We are not dealing with half way sinners or hard headed saints. lol. But when God speaks He not only defines the way we are to go but He gives us the insight and the ability to go in that way. So we are not dealing with a God who is trying to lasso all the proud sheep and force compliance but we are dealing with a God who has spoken in a way that cannot fail. The problem with the saint is not one of the will but one of understanding this message and having the rite focus. Now listen i am not talking from a position of just spouting off stuff. Every sentence i write is coming from an area of  a Psalm or some verse in the bible. This is why if you hate men who love idols then you understand God loves you. lol We do not have another option. Hate is simply defending Gods purposes for other people. Or its standing in for them when they cannot stand for themselves in a defensive posture. Hating the wrong things is what defines how God is love. Because God hates men...He is going to judge them does not prove that God is unfair. If God did not ignore some men and these men were simply allowed to cause other men in this world a lot of grief with impunity how can we see love from God for those who are their victims? It would be that God would be lazy in His acting to prevent sin and disaster. But God does judge the wicked. Why do we need to hear this? Because God has chosen to work through a nation of lambs. This nation does not have the ability to defend itself. Now we may think our nation is strong but even our nation is falling apart from within so God is proving that unless He watches over the city it will not stand. God over the course of history only works through nations who seek peace.  So this is what is hard for man. Man thinks that if he does not become a self made man then he will be neglectful of his duties. But God does not work through a system that is established by man. God defines the boundaries and He determines the outcome. We are not able to define what is responsible as equal to what God says or reordering what God says. Gods ways are you do it my way or you depart from my presence . lol  This is why God must judge men because they declare independence from God an in doing this they make their responsible set of rules equal with Gods and cause men to go astray. So God must act swiftly to be just . God does this by ordering everything from the beginning to the end. So that we know the way to go and we cannot fail. Its our encouragement the worse it is.      1636  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: Death of the "eternal torture" doctrine on: February 05, 2012, 01:45:05 PM In Kks world every thing is a psychological miss understanding. Let me say this you can teach manic and depressive theology. On the depressive side of the coin we tell a person nothing will go rite until your fulfill your end of the bargain with God in the 12 rules. But if you dont do it then we all are unconcerned because you havent passed the test to achieve our help. On the other side of this is the manic side. For a pound of flesh we get a pound of blessing. I dont know about you but if i was suffering in a general ma-laze of trying to live up to the law any kind of blessing would not only be a surprise but a relief to be manic...lol At the same time Kk offers a relief for the mindless carrot theology. Its called annialism of which that historical word is the old theology and we are better prepared in todays world to forget the negative connotations of old words and think positive a bout self destruction. So we believe the very things we are trying to overcome. lol What we need to understand about our predicament as a corrupted race is that we are not in the position to preserve our lives through any economy. People today think that because everyone is a product of a system that offers the freedom to do whatever they want then everyone stands on their own ability to showcase themselves in order to be successful in this life. So everyone as an individual proprietor has an equal opportunity in which taking advantage of these opportunities determines how successful they will be. In other words our free wills are the determining factor of our success or failure. In this philosophy we believe that what we accomplish defines who we are. But our side does not start with the freedom that is available but rather it goes to the reasons that people do what they do. Those who teach the 50 50 teach manic depressive philosophy. Instead of teaching that an examination of the motives as absolutely essential to what a person values since no person chooses something he does not like, we find self atonement on the one hand and our success as being defined in a group of our achievement in which we keep some people out and some people in. This is why God is the sole decider of a mans destiny. Because God knows the real motives of all men. God is an equal opportunity employer. All men are corrupted in every part. All men are cursed with sin... all men cannot do one good thing.Why does God present man as in bondage to his own lust? So that He might show His kindness in saving some. This is not an unbalanced view of life because it prevents man from proving himself as he destroys his own culture. lol It prevents man from proving that man is an autonomous being who has value by his own choices. We see that men become gods because they think they are free to chose good for themselves. But the only thing that man is able to do is spread death through dead idols. His dead idol of 50 50 puts him into a perpetual spiral down going from depression to euphoria by his own free will. What frees us from this kind of world view? We must be freed from ourselves so that Christ becomes our all in all. Of which Christ announces for us without our input ... My children and i will see you on the other side... paybacks a bitch. lol Only place i will say this because it is controversial. Nothing personal. Kk you know its not directed to you...  We must understand that we are born to trouble in this world. Why does the world offer freedom for the price of profit? Because man is born to be his own god. You ever heard of the survival of the fittest? One man seeks to dominate another man by how he is motivated to be successful. This motive is an obsession in man because of Adams declaring independence from God. Man is born in the culture of death and hate. The only hope of man knowing love and acceptance is in God. The only life giving connection is God initiating this in love. The only real freedom is salvation that is in God. God gifts men with all their gifts as the motive for their acceptance. There is no man... ungodly or righteous who is able to resist Gods will. God determines the winners and losers from all eternity. Reply Quote Notify 1637  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: YCLYS versus OSAS on: February 04, 2012, 07:04:26 PM Quote from: Lone Arranger on February 03, 2012, 02:21:06 PM MBG Quote The Ot saints were very familiar with the Spirit. But the difference is that the Holy Spirit came and departed on men before the redemptive work of Christ, whereas with us He lives in us forever as a guarantee/seal of our salvation.  LA if you have ever read my opinion on the Spirits presence under the old covenant you will see that without the Spirit there would be no new life on the earth. Without the Spirit there would be no defender to the Saint. Without the Spirit there would be no understanding of who God is. The whole plan of God from the beginning to the end of time is the Father sends the Son and the Spirit reveals the Son and the Father. If there is any created word in this world it is a Trinitarian work. So we see David who prayed to not take the Spirit from me. He was talking about this advantage as a King to rule under the full prophetic word to him. Not only was the Spirit in David but the Spirit actually inspired David to write these Psalms. The Spirit was so involved in Davids military endeavors that David interacted in his Psalms in speaking to the Father to send the Spirit. The Spirit was sent out by Christ to the world. But we see Christ who is the eternal Son of God. He is said to be the Lamb of God who is at the center of the throne of God. This Lamb has eyes who are the seven spirits of God sent out into all the earth. So we see the Holy Spirit is sent out by the eternal Son of God as the Spirit of Christ judgement on the earth. This Spirit of God reveals the King of heaven as the one who rules the universe. This King rules all authorities and principalities and powers. It is the Spirit who was God in the Ot who was the fire that went before Israel in the dessert. The Spirit leveled the ground for them to walk on as they sojourned to the promise land. What this is a figure of speech that the Spirit actually prepared them for battle and gave them strength to over come the enemy. This Spirit was within the Trinitarian motif to bring about Christ rule on the earth. The ot saints were empowered with the Spirit from on High. Even tho Gods presence was local yet the Spirit revealed a God who ruled from the heavens who came down as a warrior to deliver the Israelite from the power of other kings of the earth. They had a universal view that God ruled over all the nations of the earth from the heavens. The earth was His footstool. We do not have an eternal view as much because we are taught a local view of the work of the Spirit. We have made the Spirit someone who cannot be eternal... someone who cannot be God but someone who is like a modern day helper. Someone who works with science to accomplish His purposes in us. We do not see that the Spirit is behind the sustaining of this present world. We must return to the God who decrees salvation. We must begin to rethink salvation as a God centered salvation. When we see that all the earth is under the rule and authority of God then we will begin to expand the Spirits work in our lives.      Reply Quote Notify 1638  Members Only / Purgatory / Re: The Art of War on: February 04, 2012, 03:25:15 PM cont.... let me say that we have a defense against cult practices. A cult is simply an organization that we are forced to compliance . I do not mean necessarily physical restraint but through the manipulation of guilt and shame. Our first principles of salvation is to be freed from guilt and shame. In other words the gospel has the power to reverse the motives for doing every thing in life. A lot of people say that the law is necessary to drive us to Christ. So they say the guilt and shame are good in this sense. But that is the same thing as saying that God loves us by motivating us to Christ through guilt. No..guilt is a curse not a blessing. Guilt is what we do not feel because of the blessing of grace. Now listen we do not define our relationship to guilt under the old terms of being enslaved to the law. The gospel is not black and white as we describe these spiritual paradigms but its a vague disposition of grace. What do i mean by vague? I mean its like trying to explain the reasons for life. We are talking about reading into biblical words our own experience in what the level of the culture of wisdom is in context of what is true grace. It is easy for us to show a lack of self respect in the way we tweak the truth. The reason is because we are not used to cursing the wicked. And so we do not really think the wicked are cursed. So we automatically think that love is all the good feelings and motives we have for this world. But its so easy to live with the idol of universal acceptance. Like we long to live in our own universe of peace and tranquility so we do not need to advance in resisting our own laziness. I am not saying that laziness is necessarily the equal weight of wrong to active faith. But i am saying that we do not take full advantage of all the promises that are available to us and its more of a hardness than guilt. Listen people are kind of like our desires. You know there is real invisible reality. Its what we are.. the expression of what we are as the person who is communicated in the connection with other people. Its not just what we say or how we receive and give communication. But there is a measurement of how free we are as to how we connect to other people. We are also looking at growth as to how our faculties work in order in who we are. Most people do not see that spiritual experience is the level of spiritual influences and paradigms that we enjoy. So we live on a level that is fleshly. The flesh is not just choices we make but its has a life of its own that is opposing us with a force upon who we are . But people do not see how damaging the presence of guilt and shame have because they live in generalities of seeing these individual spiritual conversions.     Remove Reply Quote Notify 1639  Members Only / Purgatory / Re: The Art of War on: February 04, 2012, 02:50:36 PM That principle of the patient always being at fault is not biblical. First there is no truth that puts the person in a position to be ultimately judged by another sinner. What you are saying is for the person to abandon his closest relationships for this relationship of blame in this agreement. This is the first principle of a cult. But the bible says that we are to carry each others burdens..including those from our weaknesses from sin and thus fulfill the law of God. But what you are saying is that if we do it as a matter of principle to these twelve rules then at some point we are able to carry their burdens. But the bible does not give us the option of carrying the other persons burdens upon compliance in our immediate context. So what we are disagreeing here is that what we are required to do as God says we are to do then He will establish our relationships. In other words God does this through the act of love and not blame. Love is limited to this definition... treat others as you would want to be treated. No one wants to stand alone and be blamed for their lack of ability to a principle. But everyone wants to have their needs fulfilled as the basis of being healed. But you are saying this is not a responsible way of dealing with people. If God commands us to do something and we question the validity of it by saying "am i my brothers keeper?" in the context of the immediate relationships.. isnt that the same thing as saying its his sin not mine? The point being is that we are not robots who fall into a pattern by principles but we are standing in the presence of a God who has absolute authority to not only demand compliance to His way of doing things but in not doing it we go the opposite way. There is no basis for doing something responsible as the reason not to obey God. We can do it Gods way or we will not do it at all. THats the choice.     Remove Reply Quote Notify 1640  Forums / Politics Forum / Re: Rick Santorum. on: February 04, 2012, 01:21:12 PM If a person takes advantage of another person by profit its that same person who will in the end live his whole life in immorality. I would not wish power on anyone in todays world. Its so easy to be dirtied by what has already transpired in this great immorality of power. How do you separate yourself in this system as a moral representative in telling the truth? its almost gotten to the point where you join this certain organization and your having their reputation smear your name. Who is going to stand up and condemn their own practices in order to take the high ground? But that is why we are asking where have all the leaders gone? Have we already sold our souls? We are on that path.. study the fall of Rome.. its just another big train coming down the tracks that we cannot stop. Reply Quote Notify 1641  Forums / Break Room / Re: Walls on: February 04, 2012, 12:51:48 PM Christ has broken down all the walls and partitions that have been set up. But we all are at different periods of our spiritual growth. So not one of us fits into a particular group. But we are all individuals before God. So we are really free. This is the gospel. No now listen.. we are standing before Christ as complete. In a sense we are all passing by each other in the nite because we do not have wisdom to create connection.People want to feel connected in a democratic way but the truth is we are only connected to those who are in Christ. So we live in a world where we pass by each other in the nite. Christ showed how hard it was to be united. He brought people to the knowledge of their sin. People live in deception about themselves in some way because there is only one way they are confronted with themselves. Its what Christ says. Now listen. Jesus told the crowds that He was presented in clear terms. On the one hand He was presented through the communication of repentance in John the Baptist. How did the people react? They reacted in their own good image of themselves. They told Jesus your message is really hard where is the good in it? Then Jesus came to the lower class and brought healing....food...drink and many of the good things in this life. Do you know how the crowds responded? They told Jesus you are to much of a good times guy where is the hard message? Now listen people will hear a message. Its not that they have not had the true explanations but they are always driven to the point where they will deny the truth that is essential to christian unity. When the truth of the real gospel is taught then they react in their own minds by arguing against the validity of its power.You can find on every path of life someone who has come to an agreement of what they understand is the gospel but when given more of the truth of it that message is not what they want to hear. This is what is so strange about this world. You can take a perfectly nice person who is a mover and a shaker and they understand community and conversation and then watch them as the truth of the gospel is presented to them and watch them walk away in unbelief. This is what Christ was saying about what is true unity. He came with the hard message and they said where is the party? Then He came with the party and they said where is the hard message? In other words the gospel divided the people.   Reply Quote Notify 1642  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: Freedom For The Addicted on: February 04, 2012, 11:39:32 AM The desert experience is what we go through when our desires for God are greater to the amount of assurance we are receiving. We have memories of these experiences in the figure of speech of being on the mountain and descending into the valley. I often wonder why the valley seems to be without these life giving experiences. I guess you could say they are powers that thwart the use of our gifts more than just a reaction by God to our sin our our need for growth. Maybe they are created to drive us in a different direction because we are never the same person as we grow. So we add things of more value that are displace the lesser gifts in the valley. That is why the picture the psalmist has about his desires for God in the valley are actually a vision of him being at the bottom of the mountain at the base of  the water fall. So we have the circumstances that have driven him down into the valley and then we have Gods presence as this water is coming down upon him. Why would He compare His wanting God to being pelted by the water fall? And yet it seems that he is driven by the pelting water into the depths of the water. Maybe its the place where the violent forces in his experience have given him the peace of being under the water coming down from the top of the fall so that he is experiencing a kind of shield from the effects of the violence. So we have him under the water and it is calm. We can see that all the trouble in this world are under the tongues of evil men. There is the constant anxiety created by evil men because they harbor evil under their tongues. So we find this is the basis of what we call a proud man. This man refuses to have God in all of His thoughts so he devises schemes against his neighbor. So pride is the destroying of his neighbor by these schemes. What does the helpless have to that keeps them from being destroyed? The have their songs in the night these prayers to the God of life. In other words God holds us in our lowest point as He brings us from one day to another in His love and keeps us at nite in His kindness. Our prayers are the future reality from one day to another. So as we are reminded of His goodness to us we find courage to hope in Him. Remove Reply Quote Notify 1643  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: 4 creatures in Revelation on: February 04, 2012, 10:52:15 AM Im trying to get back to this but am going through some circumstances that have driven me to a lot of prayer. But I will master this book one day as much as it is possible to. This Revelation has a lot of layers in it. I believe the theme is bringing to the earth what has already been accomplished in heaven. So these creatures are kind of like the introduction of the actors in this play of the display of Gods response of the events in this world. This is a fascinating book because there are explanations of these perfect things in the language of condescension. So we have concepts in their full revelation that if understood create in our minds Gods pre determined decrees coming back at us from the future as the basis of our knowing the end of things so that we will not be moved. A lot of people only have a kind of dream view of God as to the future. They look at this world as divided into suffering and joy.  But what we have here are people who enjoy these events of disaster as they take place because they are promised a reward in heaven out of a sense of seeing this retribution in the future. God coming back from the end time to their particular circumstances. Not only do we see the perfect view of God in the ot language but we have a sense of the real invisible things that exist after this life as we understand this revelation.We understand how God enacts judgements upon nations for one purpose. We see what is behind the history of this world as people in all generations struggle with a short existence in this world in light of their deep distresses and their need for justice. We see the real condition of this world. Revelation sort of goes from the big events of disaster and gets into the heart of why God enacts judgments upon nations.It turns this world upside down by showing the activity of these invisible creatures who are doing the will of God through the low and needy in this world. The appearance of man as he is in his power is just an illusion of the real thing. Behind the physical view we have Gods reactions to evil men through the agency of His heavenly armies. These four creatures are in my opinion act in the revelation of who God is as they introduce the judgements that come upon the evil men of this world. They are not just divinely given knowledge but they create the illumination of this knowledge through the controlling of all the created order as God has decreed.A lot of people have a view of God as the single agent of all the events of this world. But God is very organized and to have a holistic view of Him we need to understand that His creation on earth is a kind of condescending way that He acts from the heavens. To create a view of God outside of the causal agencies in His working in this world by separating these events into individual purposes is to put up smoke to how God orders these things from the heavens. Its to create a dead god of the impersonal causes as if God was a clock maker and left the world to run. Its to deny that these created heavenly creatures enact Gods judgement in the most personal way.       Reply Quote Notify 1644  Members Only / Purgatory / Re: The Art of War on: February 04, 2012, 09:26:57 AM Kk i am not saying that we need to go out and destroy all evil. God is very good at doing that. I am not saying that we need to express hatred toward those who try to abuse us. God will avenge. In this thread i am simply addressing those who have come to a place where there is no recourse on this earth so that a simple answer would add more burdens on them. You either have not read from the beginning of this post or your forgetting from old age is starting to show. At least read the link to the art of war. lol You may think i am a very hateful person. But this is not the case. I do not feel bitterness. Even if i do not have a resolution it does not bother me. I do not react emotionally either way. What is bothering me about your way of dealing with these tough issues is to just generalize things and encourage people to do the 12 rules as the way to become healthy. But if you look at the studies it only has a 5percent success rate. This is because your whole philosophy is to approach an issue by telling everyone they should not be concerned about being wronged or being abused because God loves everyone and so there is no reason. lol. First you do not have a rite to make quick judgements on people. You have a lazy view philosophy. Tell people that God only has one category for human beings. Either they are like you just oozing with Gods love or they dont need to be hateful because of Gods love. At the same time you acknowledge that God judges abusers and thieves but i never see it because you purposely keep it from people in how you explain your philosophy. Your basic philosophy is God loves all men... small print..God will avenge... God gives the gospel in grace... small pint but there are 12 other things to do. lol... Kk your a guy who looks like one person but with further examination your the guy who does not defend and shows great anger. Remove Reply Quote Notify 1645  Members Only / Purgatory / Re: The Art of War on: February 02, 2012, 03:01:16 PM Quote from: Kings_kid on February 02, 2012, 01:21:59 PM It is good to dwell on the Scripture, to meditate on it, as He draws us closer through His Word to us.  But just memorizing the Bible indescriminately can lead to remembering and focusing on the wrong attitudes, ignoring the greater truths He revealed in other parts of Scripture. Dwelling on the curses David gave his enemies pushes out the Command of Jesus to love our enemies.  And the frequent re-praying of David's pleas for vengeance against enemies can supplant the instructions of Jesus for mercy and compassion and forgiveness toward them. Instead of coming up with the same argument about universal love you need to focus on those scriptures that disagree with your one point. Its funny how you have repeated the same argument over and claim that i am focusing on only a few portions of scripture. Just because i do not use your method of taking scripture out of context in your copy and paste method does not mean that what i am saying is not in many different areas of scripture... ive memorized most of the nt.    Remove Reply Quote Notify 1646  Forums / Politics Forum / Re: Gingrich on: February 02, 2012, 02:51:18 PM Quote from: Willis on February 02, 2012, 01:57:14 PM Quote from: Chris Bechtloff on February 02, 2012, 12:50:04 PM Quote from: Willis on February 02, 2012, 11:49:16 AM Chris, I agree with you for the most part, but keep in mind that the U.S. Federal Government owns the printing presses (and computers these days) and the power of life and death so it's not possible for the United States as an entity to go bankrupt. In the scrictist most litteral sense your right Willis. But what can easily happen is hyper inflation and a collapse of the dollars value. That will be just as bad. What most people don't understand (or recognize) is that we've been in a major depression since 2008. It's only the inflation induced by the Fed's influx of "money" that has made it look like we are even standing still. If the economy actually does start to improve, then you will see the hyperinflation because the downward counter-balancing pull on the money supply won't be there. The government will continue anyway because they are "monetizing" the debt. In other words, if you owe a hundred dollars but only have fifty...and you have the power to declare the value of dollar to whatever you want it to be...then you just say 1 dollar is now worth 2 dollars and voila! your debt is repaid. It's either that or outright default. This is a world market now and these nations are propping each other up so the whole world doesnt sink into food shortages etc.  Rite now we are being financed by communist china whos economy is functioning on slavery. Its not a pretty site. Reply Quote Notify 1647  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: Harpazo & the Bride of Christ on: February 02, 2012, 12:07:08 PM This is interesting because the groom is really not in competition with how he is going to love his bride but this is Gods promise that through the groom will come his offspring and it will protect the nation of Israel against foreign nations. So its interesting that this cup is poured out and the kings of the earth drink it down to its very dregs. In other words this same cup that is given by God in Him consecrating to Himself in covenanting with His people is how He judges the nations through Him declaring war against those who oppose His covenant.  The grooms are pictured as valiant men.  They have a sword on their side in which they march out in justice and truth. They are clothed with the splendor of kings. The kings representative of real authority. They ride out on this white horse in revelation on a conquest to with that sword on their side to conquer. This world is not made to find real peace but its a fight and a struggle until we meet Christ. This is why a mans view of these things is very different from a womans view. The men must be respected. Disrespect is going against the fundamental idea that a man has his own kingdom and he is protected by his offspring. Because he grows old. Ive thought about this and it seems to me that there is a spiritual correlation with this picture to the ot physical correlation. Obviously we have the King in heaven and He rules the earth through righteousness and justice. And this King is clothed with splendor. So within this marriage contract is the vision of this kings warriors both physical and spiritual who in their day to day battle find the splendor of the King of heaven through this conflict and gaining victory through this conflict. So it is said that these warriors ascend to the hill of God and they actually experience a kind of heavenly glory. This splendor shines in their faces. What we have here is a true desire of all nations that provides a man with real respect. He is valiantly engaged in the battle of the King of heaven. It used to be that a man would go away from his home and fight as the same man he was ..this man of respect and justice. But in lowering his purpose on this earth to be overly concerned for this world the man has lost his respect. Because the order of God is that a man fights for Gods kingdom in the world so that evil will not reign in his city.. go over his walls and into his little kids struggle. So this valiant warrior wields the sword of the spirit and basically fights against invisible forces. lol He sees spiritual things by faith. He understands the level of evil that is opposing himself.. his kids and his bride. He knows that behind this world are evil men who will oppose him but that these evil men are used by Satan to make war with the King of the earth. So this man is engaged against those rulers who stand against the splendor and majestic rule of this King. I think this is more of the culture of the bible. lol  Reply Quote Notify 1648  Forums / Prayer Requests / Re: How Do I Love God? on: February 02, 2012, 11:25:10 AM These are very evil days. People are suffering and its very difficult for the saint to come to peace about this. I think we are not prepared for the threats and violence in this world. Our individual rites are disappearing from one day to the next. We are beginning to experience the weight of the debt we have on us.  Let me say that i hope God gives some of us the courage and perseverance to go through this. I know there is a lot of confusion because people do not have experience of being faced with the dread of this kind of dominance. I have been praying for 20 yrs and basically enjoyed the positive side of prayer. It has not been until about 3 yrs ago that i have been taken to places in my prayers that are very depressing and feeling a sense of anger mixed with a kind of silence. Its apparent to me that we are entering a long term struggle with things that we are not used to struggling with. Ive been driven to such extreme hate in the scriptural mandate that i did not want to experience this again. But after that praying of such i have felt Gods hand healing me and a sense of power that i cannot explain. I understand some of this grief. Its really an experience in a different kind of unjust anger what we are going through. More and more we are going to need to become hardened in the rite way. We are going to need to protect our souls from this abusive experience. Or we will die in our grief and anger. Let me encourage you to not feel guilty about this national decline into a kind of hell on earth. Learn how to distinguish this evil. Dont take it upon yourselves to change something that has been slowly declining over 30 yrs. Its just now turning the corner to become personal to us.    Reply Quote Notify 1649  Members Only / Purgatory / Re: The Art of War on: February 02, 2012, 10:40:08 AM People who have a very emotional and general view of these prayers are used to living in the mentality that they are only needed when there is great trouble or some kind of special sin. Where does the bible endorse generalized practice as the basis for our biblical interpretation? If a person repeats these Psalms a hundred times in a day then it cannot be possible that he is genuinely coming to God in real confession? lol Paleeesssse what dream world are you in? If the word of God is all we need to live a life of godliness. If the word of God is in fact the very breath of God then why would we consider less of an agent than our own doing things to please God? As if the means were different in what we do and what value Gods word is. This is just faithless and wavering in unbelief. To not value this as gold is to offer strange fire. The word of God is future reality. The word of God creates this world .. all the reality in it... all of the ends for which we are created and it judges men in this world. It is the proof of what is valuable! It separates the soul and spirit... in other words it enlightened the meta physical world as the only agent of change making all other means an impossible mode of expression to get to these invisible things. It distinguishes as the real truth those things we cannot change even by an atomic blest. The word of God creates disaster and redemption at the same time. It curses the reprobate and blesses the righteous. Though out the history of the world we have seen one disaster after another. How many nations from the beginning are in existence today as they were in the time of David? There is not quality that is the same. Why? because God from eternity past has spoken into time from the beginning to the end. What is the only means that He has revealed this? What is the only truth teller of what is really going on in the hearts of every man.. what they are going to judged by because of this in eternity? The only reveal-er is the word of God. We have in our hands the same value of God cursing and blessing.   Remove Reply Quote Notify 1650  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: Freedom For The Addicted on: February 02, 2012, 10:12:41 AM "You do not delight in sacrifice of i would bring it...You take no pleasure in burnt offerings ... the sacrifices of God are a broken spirit.. a broken and contrite heart you will not despise. " There is a lot of miss representation of this concept of confession. We are not talking about a special confession that separates this confession from the other confessions of the Psalmist . We are looking at these things not as steps but as a general attitude of the heart. Because the Psalmist is not talking about being a novice to how he approaches the sin as if one sin was worse in Gods sight than another. In other words just because we do not always think that sin is what is a total corruption of all of our faculties does not prove that the Psalmist attitude is any different than all the other confessions he makes about sin. This is a normal repentant attitude of the Psalmist throughout his life. So he is not imbalanced or trying to prove that he is contrite but he is just acknowledging what he is required to acknowledge within the realism of who he is before God. This is not some sort of coming to the end of himself or some special revelation of how unable he is . This is a man like Paul who was well schooled in ongoing repentance. He was not acknowledging sins that he was not responsible for. He was not trying to say that being broken spirited meant that he deserved a pound of trouble for a pound of sin. If you notice this is a very personal prayer of confession that shows how we are to live before God as completely accepted on the basis of Gods desire to prove Himself by giving us the Holy Spirit ...keeping us from those sins that are blood thirsty... showing us how God leads us in confession to be transparent before Him as a real sinner. Instead of this confession being an emotional plea to get Gods good graces it is a normal confession of a man who comes as he is.  This is why having a broken spirit is knowing ourselves before God as a sinner. Its not wishing evil on ourselves as if God needed to get payment for our sins. The Psalmist is comparing the sacrifices with Gods goodness in meeting Him as he is. He is saying that there is no need to offer God something in order to be forgiven. He could have said that "i have done the work God now i am a broken man." No he is saying that the sacrifices have no power to give the psalmist and advantage before God. Let me talk about inability here. This is a clear reference to inability. A lot of people who like the 50-50 view of this life try to on the one hand say its not by works that we obtain salvation but its our confession. Now in my opinion this is giving something and then taking it back. What the Psalmist is really saying that even his confession here does not in itself give him forgiveness. In other words God is not obligated to forgive the Psalmist because he confesses his sin but God has covenanted with us as showing Himself faithful in forgiving our sins. This is seen just after this confession of inability the Psalmist goes rite into a petition for the welfare of Israel. You need to understand that a Jew who prayed for the welfare of the nation was not like our praying for our welfare.  This was always in the context of cursing and blessing. The welfare of Israel was in the context of conquest. So in a sense the Psalmist is saying bless Israel and curse the nations. There is a distinction in the pre confession in light of the need to unburden the anger in cursing and speaking about the covenant of law and the reaction to its demands. The confession is a positive bold approach not one who cringes in fear of retribution. Where as being faced with the law of God the Psalmist acknowledges his total depravity in sin. The latter approach is not a way to advance as if he needed acceptance. But rather its a confession on his lips that proves that God is rite in our being sinners by our sin. Non of these confessions of sin are given to show how sorrowful we are but rather they are a balanced way of being transparent before God. In other words we have the positive affirmation that God will take up our cause in the cursing as a result of our coming to him as sinners.Please do not misrepresent this as a further step downward in order to be free of all blame. The blame has already been taken care of by God. He gives us reasons to protect ourselves.The confession is a positive affirmation that we can get grace .. that protection in response to our acknowledging our inability. But the confession itself is not the reason since we do not always come in the same way as being transparent.