mybigGod,
re: "...He punished His Son with an eternal punishment..."
I haven't heard that one before. Care to explain?
Well
Christ is the eternal Son of God who took on flesh. So He is all God
and all man. God is eternal and He demands an eternal standard of law
keeping. If God gave the law on a curve then He could not have a
standard of His own goodness as He is God who orders everything for His
own ends. In other words a curve in the law would mean that men could be
god. But God is really the only one who is good. He cannot fulfill His
own purposes through a goodness outside of Himself. This is why sin
demands an eternal punishment. Because the violation of Gods law is a
violation of perfection. That means that the carrying out of that law
must be equal to how God works in His justice and equity. So now we see
that man is totally hopeless because there is no way that man can atone
for sin since man is not God. lol Christ is the eternal sacrifice who
atoned for sin. Youve got to understand that sin is more heinous than
we could ever imagine. Its like a little blot of black spec on the most
beautiful painting of the most bright light. It stands out as if it was
ruining the whole picture. God in order to be just had to punish His Son
on the level that He would be satisfied. No one on this earth
understand that level of suffering. Christ was fully human but if He was
not fully God then He would not have endured the punishment on that
cross and the whippings. It would have killed any other man before he
was hung on the cross. God had to punish His Son so severely in order to
be satisfy the demands of the guilty. The glory of God hung on that
cross and it was so glorious that it gave us the freedom to be sinners
and yet forgiven. It was so glorious that the Lamb of God will eternally
be marked by the wounds as a reminder to those in hell of His demands..
and the righteous of His provision.
|
1961
|
Forums / Theology Forum / Re: OF THE WORK OF THE HOLY GHOST IN OUR SALVATION... Thomas Goodwin
|
on: November 18, 2011, 04:02:49 PM
|
|
2. All the means of the church's edification
(as the word, ministry, and all gospel ordinances) all which are the
goods and chattels, the householdstuff of the church universal ('Paul
and Apollos are theirs'), these are all of him, and blessed by him.
He
wrote the Scriptures, 2 Peter i. 21, gave the prophecies, 1 Peter i.
11, revealed the gospel, Eph. iii. 5, in such a manner and measure, and
with such an enlargement as never before, to the sons of men.
The care of all that great affair of the ministry, and the work thereof, is incumbent on him, lies on his hands to manage.
In the New Testament we find him once immediately speaking in his own
person, and taking on him as a person (as the Father had done afore when
he said, 'This is my well-beloved Son '); and the occasion was
particular about the execution of this work of the ministuy, it is in
Acts xiii. 2, 'The Holy Ghost said, Separate me Barnabas and Saul for
the work whereunto I have called them.' In which effort of his, he speaks as one entered upon an office or work committed to him, and betrusted with him.
And it is as if he had said, this is my work proper to me, I am the
immediate governor and administrator herein; for all that any way
concerns the edification of the church is committed to my management and
care. And he says he had designed Paul and Barnabas to one part, as Peter and John to another,
Gal. ii., yea, all their gifts are his, in him, and he as a person that
is the sovereign thereof, ' distributes them as he will,' 1 Cor. xii.
4, 7. He makes ministers, John xx. 22. And that power to declare that
sins are forgiven, and so set free men's consciences, is from their
having received the Holy Ghost first, 'Christ breathed on them, and
said, Eeceive ye the Holy Ghost;' and then adds, ' Whose sins ye remit,
are remitted.' And as he makes ministers, so he sends out ministers, Acts
xiii. 4; and in vain it is for them to go until he comes upon them. The
apostles are therefore commanded to stay going forth into the world
till they should have received the Holy Ghost, Acts i. 8. He appoints
the place and poople any of them should go unto, and forbids and hinders
where they should not be usefully employed. He gives them orders:
he bids Philip go to the eunuch, Acts viii. 29; and Acts xi. 12, he
sends Peter to Cornelius; and on the other side, he forbids to preach to
such or such. Paul and Timothy were forbidden of the Holy Ghost to
preach in Asia, Acts xvi. 6; and they again' essayed to go into
Bithynia: but the Spirit suffered them not,' ver. 7. And when they
preach, it is he prompts them with their sermons,
Mark xiii. 11. The apostles 'spake as the Spirit gave them utterance,'
and when they spake, they spake apophthegms, as the word is, weighty
sayings: 1 Cor. ii. 18, 'Which things we speak, not in the words which
man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing
spiritual things with spiritual;' that is, suiting expressions to the
gravity and weight of the things delivered. He fires their tongues and hearts,
that they should not speak mere empty and powerless words, nor shoot
powder, but fiery bullets, such as have warmth and life in them. And
when they preach, he makes their sermons to be the ministration of the Spirit,
to convey himself unto their hearts, and to make the gospel 'the power
of God unto salvation.' All the power of sermons is from the Holy Ghost:
1 Thes. i. 5, 'Our gospel was not in word only, but in power, and in
the Holy Ghost;' 1 Peter i. 11, 12, the gospel is said to have been
preached 'with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven,' who waiteth and
watcheth when ye come to sermons, and at the speaking such a word as
will do your hearts good, he falls upon you: Acts x. 44, 'Whilst they
were speaking these words, the Holy Ghost fell on them.' I might shew
the same in all the ordinances, but of them after.
|
 Remove
 Reply
 Quote
 Notify
|
|
|
1962
|
Forums / Theology Forum / Re: The Doctrine of Election
|
on: November 18, 2011, 03:01:23 PM
|
It
would be nice to have you respond to my reply instead of evading onto
some other subject in your head. It's like waiting for someone to shut
up so you can continue to talk only about what you want to talk about.
It's not a conversation, It's a monologue and a bit A.D.D.ish A proper response would at least include something I said. Then
you could say ...Oh, now I see what you're saying or No You're wrong
because...Blah, blah blah! ...And here's the Scripture to prove it.
Plus, here's what the Church Fathers said in their writings...so it's
ancient in it origin...etc. Or...you could say...Oh I never
considered that or knew of that Scripture and maybe that changes how I
think about this subject! From what I’ve observed up close,
Reform people only live in certain Books, chapters and verses of the
Bible and pretty much ignore scripture that contradicts their doctrine
or they discount the greater weight of conflicting verses or Books.
Which is most of the Bible! …Why is that? Thor  Can
you help me as well. I know some things i say may be wrong. But you
must understand i am not a micro manager. In fact when i see one i turn
the other way and run... lol. The only language that frees me from
myself is grace language. The only language that motivates me is
sovereign grace language. I am willing to shut my mouth in the presence
of a person who imagines they can make these things go smooth with a
little more encouragement. So can you at least respond to my post that
you may be wrong? I mean... that would be a nice thing to say. I
do not use the internet to advance personal relationships. I spend a
lot of time with people. So i do not get upset if someone disagrees with
me or writes something that i do not think has a specific way to write
as what i would want. Ive seen writing in slang... in emotional
imaginative explanations... and that have no scriptural basis for their
argument. But if you look i do not get into petty word arguments or into
show me the scripture. I am proud of my history of not being bated to
change the way i express myself because other people want the theo
section to be like a practical friendly 5 step thingy. If you want to
write like your telling me then use friendly language as well as
confrontational language. LOL I can argue about anything.... LOL LOL LOL
|
|
Reply
Quote
Notify
|
|
|
1965
|
Forums / Theology Forum / Re: Discipleship and Two- Line Mysticism
|
on: November 17, 2011, 10:40:25 AM
|
|
How can God be both absolutely sovereign and
give men the freedom to choose life in the garden without grace as the
basis of God proving that He alone is free to choose? If God does
everything and we do everything then in this sense men with men do
nothing to cause reality. This is a mystery but its also a real teaching
to us that it is impossible for us to make someone else choose one way
or the other. I think this addresses our core problem.
We are
always judging ourselves in relation to other people. God proves how far
we will attempt to be our own god by showing us in the garden that man
given the opportunity to make a real choice could not pull it off. If
men were not free to choose then proportionally they are not depraved
enough to cause other men to choose. We know this that the fall silences
men and they are without excuse. And in this silencing they cannot look
outside themselves as creating reality without it being caused from a
supernatural source. Its interesting that men stand more responsible and
alone before God after the fall than before it ...i mean in the sense
that they cannot do good apart from God. I think if we could understand
it then we could create something outside of God causing it.
|
|
No comments:
Post a Comment