Kk... we all make deals with God. If you save
me from this situation then i will do this and that. I give you this and
you will make me a better christian. But that is not the real God. God
did not determine to open our eyes because He saw something that we
could do for Him. Do you know that God never made a deal with any one?
He saved some men and saw that they needed to be carried. Thats why He
is the great Shepard. Because He carries us from one wandering place to
another. The only reason that people think to be moral is to make
deals and keep them is because they think that it will satisfy their
sense of equality. The truth is that no man can determine what is equal.
Taint one man that has ever been satisfied with the returns on his
deal! Because the universe is not a real image of true worth. Thats why
love is unattainable by works. Because once you make a demand on being
loved then you must love perfectly. Because love can only be love when
it has no standards to love. It loves from a realistic view of eternal
love. This is why love is communicated because it is condescending. In
other words there is only one love that is true. It is eternal and
comes into time. It comes from a source that is love. If God is love
then love is God. God loves because He is love not because He sees
something to love. God loves out of total freedom to love. If a person
was to have a life where he received a communication of love it would be
from God without any requirements. It would be a full expression of all
that comes in feeling worthy in always being loved no matter what. This
is why these ideas that we are getting from St Thomas and Austin... are
so important. Now i give you something to think about here. Look what
the apostle says about Gods work. Some mind twisting concepts to ponder.
Romans 11 35"Who has ever given to God, that God should repay him?"[k] 36For from him and through him and to him are all things. To him be the glory forever! Amen.
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Yeah,
i got a little irritated about such a flow of ideas that looks like it
came from a dark part of a confused soul, under the guise of "deep
thought". I suppose i should have kept my prodigious mouth shut, but
sometimes i like to flap the lips randomly and see what comes out. (Not
speaking in tongues, or anything like that....)
Anyway, your
last statement "I mean if God is the subject then He is His own object
in essence. He is the cause of all that exists...as expressed through
the will of man", doesn't connect with me.
To say He is His own
object would seem to make all objects God. Not so. He is Holy in the
highest sense which includes being separate from His creation, while
interpenetrating it. He is not the direct cause of all that exists, but
allows secondary causes, like man's will and/or satan's actions, to be
temporary subjects causing temporary actions on temporary objects.
Say, what was i irritated for? Word games can be fun.
Kk
i did not say other objects were His object. I am simply saying that
God is only pleased in His own image of Himself. There is nothing good
outside of God. I think i will bring the Edwards article .. the "End for
which God created the world." I do not think that ideas are
dangerous in themselves. I dont think we disagree that in seeking wisdom
we must seek knowledge. Its like looking for a hidden treasure. Because
God is predominately a teacher who has a principle that all truth is in
His truth. I mean... frustration is not a process that we draw an
analogy in which our approach to truth is what makes it evil. If it is
true and we are corrupted then we are on the road to transformation. If
it is not true then our own desire to make it true is not Gods way to
truth. The old saying is if i dont know i am saved there is nothing that
will help me except seeking the gospel. Well , there are many
sorrows in this world that we find have a way of filling up in our
humanity. We are kind of like empty vessels who receive these sorrows as
human beings. When Epaphroditus was sorrowful and sick the apostle sent
him back to his home because He was home sick. Paul recognized that
there are times when we must be sensitive to the general condition of a
person as it relates to his strengths and weaknesses. We always want to
bring a person to rejoice in God and not to focus on a persons sorrows.
This is why we cannot redefine the process of transformation. We are
mostly teachers and not fruit inspectors. I mean... we are simply
showing a beggar how to find bread ... not adding more burdens to them
than they can handle. Sometimes it best to overlook peoples foibles in
order to save them from much sorrow. This is the gospel approach. Stay
away from people who think that it is always correct to tell people they
have cancer ... some people need to be loved by giving them hope and
not necessarily the truth. The old saying is ... if you havent walked in
my shoes then keep your mouth shut. In dealing with these
sensitive areas of people it is not our position to move this process
along. Because there is a sense in which our personal involvement could
produce a disastrous outcome so that it becomes something that we must
deal with in our own minds for the rest of our lives on this earth.
There are reasons why God leads every person on a different path as a
general focus of a teacher. If God could enable everyone to face all of
the problems of this life then He is the only one who has the rite to
determine how much they are required to carry. If He gave us that
responsibility then we would need to measure our ability to enable
someone with our lack of understanding in making them sorrowful. That
would mean that we are culpable in the outcome. Who wants to have that
reality facing them? Paul did not return to every family he destroyed in
his former life and apologize. In fact he made it an issue of the
gospel to say that he did not have the blood of any mans hands on him.
So that judicial qualifications are in light of Gods grace even on this
earth. That means that Paul did not follow the sermon on the mount as a
law. Be careful in how you view counsel. I would be very observant of a
man who did not have a full understanding of these counseling ways of
the Psalms. They are the idea paradigms of the gospel counsel in which
they create a basis for super naturalistic living. They divide the true
from the false in paradigm form. If you are in this business and have
the ability.... i would counsel you to memorize this book.
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on: May 04, 2010, 09:36:05 AM
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Titus 2
What Must Be Taught to Various Groups
1You
must teach what is in accord with sound doctrine. 2Teach the older men
to be temperate, worthy of respect, self-controlled, and sound in faith,
in love and in endurance.
3Likewise, teach the older women to
be reverent in the way they live, not to be slanderers or addicted to
much wine, but to teach what is good. 4Then they can train the younger
women to love their husbands and children, 5to be self-controlled and
pure, to be busy at home, to be kind, and to be subject to their
husbands, so that no one will malign the word of God.
6Similarly,
encourage the young men to be self-controlled. 7In everything set them
an example by doing what is good. In your teaching show integrity,
seriousness 8and soundness of speech that cannot be condemned, so that
those who oppose you may be ashamed because they have nothing bad to say
about us.
9Teach slaves to be subject to their masters in
everything, to try to please them, not to talk back to them, 10and not
to steal from them, but to show that they can be fully trusted, so that
in every way they will make the teaching about God our Savior
attractive.
11For the grace of God that brings salvation has
appeared to all men. 12It teaches us to say "No" to ungodliness and
worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright and godly lives
in this present age, 13while we wait for the blessed hope—the glorious
appearing of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ, 14who gave himself
for us to redeem us from all wickedness and to purify for himself a
people that are his very own, eager to do what is good.
15These, then, are the things you should teach. Encourage and rebuke with all authority. Do not let anyone despise you.
This
section is talking about how the doctrines of grace are worked out in
community. The grace of God is free and able to help people persevere
through anything in this life. This grace is not primarily
contentious.Teaching is mostly encouraging and strengthening with very
little confrontation. If you look at the love chapter in Cor. you will
see that Gods love is always gracious and demands us to form
relationships in order to deal with each other in a gracious way. Even
when you go to the areas where the apostle is talking about discipline
it is always done with the full support of everyone. The whole point of
gospel encouragement is that there is nothing that is big enough for
anyone in way of condemning or slandering. Because it is Gods church.
Every thing done from a wrong continuous spirit in a continuous way will
defile the spirit of grace. Grace and the law do not mix. The law does
not bring ability but it brings a curse. Grace is something that only
God can produce in an impossible situation. This is why it teaches us to
deny ungodliness. If we stray from the doctrine then we could possibly
have a community that practices these godly traits out of fear of
consequences. But you cant pass grace up in comparison. Grace is really
that which produces all the good in this world. That is why a persons
understanding of the doctrines of grace must not be mixed with a (human
teaching.- my metaphor for American brand professionalism)
Let
no one despise you." Let" is not "demand". That means there is a focus
in a way of leading that must not be side tracked. The context is what
Christ has done. It is keeping to your identity in His work.
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on: May 02, 2010, 03:06:30 PM
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Ugh,
so much idea diarrhea. But i can't seem to restrain myself, mbG, so
here goes the itty-bitty-picky mental machine. (Whose analysis was it
following the objections? Aquinas?)
"Objection 1: It seems that essence and existence are not the same in God."
K_k:
The existence of God cannot be separated from the essence of God. His
existence cannot be separated from His essence. The quote by the author
is not from the Bible, since there is no Scripture that would divide
these aspects from each other, in Him.
"Objection 2: Further, we can know "whether" God exists as said above (Q[2], A[2]); but we cannot know "what" He is."
K_k:
We can know what God is to the degree He has revealed Himself to us, in
the Scriptures. He is Spirit. And Love. And Light. And Truth. And
Life. And the Way. And the Logos/Word. And the beginning and ending.
And all the Self-revelations we find in His Book. (Which is not to say
we can fully understand any of these in this life/mind.)
"Reply
to Objection 2: "To be" can mean either of two things. It may mean the
act of essence, or it may mean the composition of a proposition effected
by the mind in joining a predicate to a subject. Taking "to be" in the
first sense, we cannot understand God's existence nor His essence; but
only in the second sense."
K_k: We don't just compose
propositions by joining a predicate to a subject in the case of God.
Instead, we have extended detailed descriptions of what each of the
predicates look like as His essence in action. It's called the Bible.
Kk...
you seem to be a little irritated. I hope that you will continue to
grow in the downloads i put on here. It may seem like its heavy but
notin that matters in this world is good unless it brings a man to
rejoice in God. And as you know this is bout ideas. All three of us
agree ... Kk St Thomas and little old me. We all agree that God is the
same in His essence as presence. But i agree more with Thomas about the
subject verb metaphysical logic. The subject determines the action and
in this objective lesson of God ... He is what His essence is at all
times. Now there is a much deeper argument here. It has to do with a
mans self determination. The cause of the action is the subject and not
the action itself. This is why there is no such thing as self
determination in the equilibrium metaphysical argument. If freedom is
represented by the will having two equal choices as the expression then
who needs a subject in the sentence?... hehe The subject is the cause of
the willing. There is no verb if there is not actual movement toward
the object. I mean if God is the subject then He is His own object in
essence. He is the cause of all that exist... as expressed though the
will of man.
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on: May 02, 2010, 01:55:30 PM
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Psalm 44
For the director of music. Of the Sons of Korah. A maskil. [a]
1 We have heard with our ears, O God;
our fathers have told us
what you did in their days,
in days long ago.
2 With your hand you drove out the nations
and planted our fathers;
you crushed the peoples
and made our fathers flourish.
3 It was not by their sword that they won the land,
nor did their arm bring them victory;
it was your right hand, your arm,
and the light of your face, for you loved them.
4 You are my King and my God,
who decrees victories for Jacob.
5 Through you we push back our enemies;
through your name we trample our foes.
6 I do not trust in my bow,
my sword does not bring me victory;
Here
is the acknowledgment that our hope is not in the endurance of a
nation. Because God gifts us with all of these societies of peace and in
His time He destroys them. It is freeing to know that even our own
history was given to us by God in grace. We had nothing to do with it in
a real sense ! God is the cause of all good things in our experience!
And He gives us a return not based upon our performance.
7 but you give us victory over our enemies,
you put our adversaries to shame.
8 In God we make our boast all day long,
and we will praise your name forever.
Selah
9 But now you have rejected and humbled us;
you no longer go out with our armies.
This
is the national rejection of God. Its from a wicked generation.
Although the redeemed do not experience a direct assault on their faith
in experiencing this rejection as personal, yet there is much distress.
This is a very real experience according to our humanity. We are
encouraged to pour out our troubles to our loving heavenly Father who
orders all of these national rejections for our good.
10 You made us retreat before the enemy,
and our adversaries have plundered us.
They
actually came into the country and destroyed all of the belongings of
the ot church. They experienced the exile. This was a national judgment
by God and it was like experiencing a real sudden disaster.
11 You gave us up to be devoured like sheep
and have scattered us among the nations.
12 You sold your people for a pittance,
gaining nothing from their sale.
Wow
this is amazing. Here the monies and the their livelihood for the
exchange were wasted at the expense of Gods people. Uh.. does this look
familiar? They took the lively hood of Gods people and it was not even
returned. It was wasted.
13 You have made us a reproach to our neighbors,
the scorn and derision of those around us.
14 You have made us a byword among the nations;
the peoples shake their heads at us.
They lost their respect as a nation among the other nations. Now this is most humbling. You talk about a massive rejection!
15 My disgrace is before me all day long,
and my face is covered with shame
16 at the taunts of those who reproach and revile me,
because of the enemy, who is bent on revenge.
Listen
do not hide your head under the pillow. This is personal! Dont think
that it does not have repercussions on all of these personal problems we
have with rejection. You will experience a lot of hardness and mental
anguish if you ignore these things. It must be poured out to God. The
national problems are His communication to the very core of our hearts!
17 All this happened to us,
though we had not forgotten you
or been false to your covenant.
18 Our hearts had not turned back;
our feet had not strayed from your path.
19 But you crushed us and made us a haunt for jackals
and covered us over with deep darkness.
20 If we had forgotten the name of our God
or spread out our hands to a foreign god,
21 would not God have discovered it,
since he knows the secrets of the heart?
We
can be confident that God who loves us in a covenant and eternal way
has taken care of our sins. The point here is that a christian is very
in tune with the state of the world. He is made to be directly involved
in this conflict as it becomes his personal temptation! Its not in our
ability but its in the struggle.
22 Yet for your sake we face death all day long;
we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered.
They were subject to the threats of the dominate rule.
23 Awake, O Lord! Why do you sleep?
Rouse yourself! Do not reject us forever.
24 Why do you hide your face
and forget our misery and oppression?
25 We are brought down to the dust;
our bodies cling to the ground.
26 Rise up and help us;
redeem us because of your unfailing love.
Here
is the most personal cry from a saint! Here is the true expression of
sorrow in a human sense and a dependence on God alone. He promises to
hear our cries and takes personal pleasure in coming to our defense. Its
living in the sunshine of Gods covenant love! He will never fail those
who hope in HIm!
Let me give you a sense of how a person
evolves in this kind of feeling that the world is opening up beneath the
feet and ready to swallow up our personal comforts . We have always
been subject to rejection. Its just that we fail to see that all we have
need of is in God alone! This is what strikes us at the heart of our
securities. We have drifted so far in our opulence. You see we went from
trusting in a patriarchal society and finding comforts in our standard
of living that we forgot God. Your desperation for and finding friends
is not gong to satisfy you. Your standard of living in this world is
scoffed at. Listen these Pharisees and their progressive theology will
be a thing of the past when these things get worse. Trust me. Now the
rejection we feel is a pain that we must return to our God. Because
unless we find all of our happiness in God then we will always be
subject to being restless. Unless we find God we will always be
restless.
Our confidence in God is that we will never be shaken! We
find that this world is more and more of an assaulting place. They
assault our character... they threaten our personal prosperity... they
demand things that are impossible to accomplish and they use us to
destroy us. But God alone is our reputation! It is His defense of us
that we must be made to depend upon. Now its time to see that we who are
poor will lose our old self determination. We are not disillusioned.
Listen to me... you are not disillusioned. You have the gift of enjoying
God. No more temptation... weeeeeeee Because we have all of these
defenses at our disposal. We have His word...its an eternal word people.
We have prayer... its the most private pleasure that we can develop
since we forgot about it. We must go before Him and find real
satisfaction. We must seek Him until we silence the old way. Then He
will comfort us.
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on: May 02, 2010, 11:45:42 AM
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Whether essence and existence are the same in God?
Objection
1: It seems that essence and existence are not the same in God. For if
it be so, then the divine being has nothing added to it. Now being to
which no addition is made is universal being which is predicated of all
things. Therefore it follows that God is being in general which can be
predicated of everything. But this is false: "For men gave the
incommunicable name to stones and wood" (Wis. 14:21). Therefore God's
existence is not His essence.
Objection 2: Further, we can know
"whether" God exists as said above (Q[2], A[2]); but we cannot know
"what" He is. Therefore God's existence is not the same as His
essence---that is, as His quiddity or nature.
On the contrary,
Hilary says (Trin. vii): "In God existence is not an accidental quality,
but subsisting truth." Therefore what subsists in God is His existence.
I
answer that, God is not only His own essence, as shown in the preceding
article, but also His own existence. This may be shown in several ways.
First, whatever a thing has besides its essence must be caused either
by the constituent principles of that essence (like a property that
necessarily accompanies the species---as the faculty of laughing is
proper to a man---and is caused by the constituent principles of the
species), or by some exterior agent---as heat is caused in water by
fire. Therefore, if the existence of a thing differs from its essence,
this existence must be caused either by some exterior agent or by its
essential principles. Now it is impossible for a thing's existence to be
caused by its essential constituent principles, for nothing can be the
sufficient cause of its own existence, if its existence is caused.
Therefore that thing, whose existence differs from its essence, must
have its existence caused by another. But this cannot be true of God;
because we call God the first efficient cause. Therefore it is
impossible that in God His existence should differ from His essence.
Secondly, existence is that which makes every form or nature actual; for
goodness and humanity are spoken of as actual, only because they are
spoken of as existing. Therefore existence must be compared to essence,
if the latter is a distinct reality, as actuality to potentiality.
Therefore, since in God there is no potentiality, as shown above (A[1]),
it follows that in Him essence does not differ from existence.
Therefore His essence is His existence. Thirdly, because, just as that
which has fire, but is not itself fire, is on fire by participation; so
that which has existence but is not existence, is a being by
participation. But God is His own essence, as shown above (A[3]) if,
therefore, He is not His own existence He will be not essential, but
participated being. He will not therefore be the first being---which is
absurd. Therefore God is His own existence, and not merely His own
essence.
Reply to Objection 1: A thing that has nothing added to
it can be of two kinds. Either its essence precludes any addition; thus,
for example, it is of the essence of an irrational animal to be without
reason. Or we may understand a thing to have nothing added to it,
inasmuch as its essence does not require that anything should be added
to it; thus the genus animal is without reason, because it is not of the
essence of animal in general to have reason; but neither is it to lack
reason. And so the divine being has nothing added to it in the first
sense; whereas universal being has nothing added to it in the second
sense.
Reply to Objection 2: "To be" can mean either of two
things. It may mean the act of essence, or it may mean the composition
of a proposition effected by the mind in joining a predicate to a
subject. Taking "to be" in the first sense, we cannot understand God's
existence nor His essence; but only in the second sense. We know that
this proposition which we form about God when we say "God is," is true;
and this we know from His effects (Q[2], A[2]).St Thomas
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on: May 02, 2010, 11:25:19 AM
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Everything that God creates has a form. That
includes all the concepts in the mind of all of mankind. But God does
not have a form. If something has a beginning it cannot be God because
it changed from a state of non existence to existence. If you look at
the forms of things you will see there is nothing identical to another
form. This is proof that God exist because there is no explanation of
how these individualist characteristics were made. I mean even outside
of our new knowledge of genetics and such. A mans inflections etc.
In
order for God to be God He must be eternally present and the same at
all times. Because God is not subjected to time. He sees the beginning
to the end in the present. He cannot be divided, surprised,nor can any
thing good be done outside of His good. Gods works the end for Himself.
That is why everything He makes is good.
"I answer that, God
is not only His own essence, as shown in the preceding article, but also
His own existence. This may be shown in several ways. First, whatever a
thing has besides its essence must be caused either by the constituent
principles of that essence (like a property that necessarily accompanies
the species---as the faculty of laughing is proper to a man---and is
caused by the constituent principles of the species), or by some
exterior agent---as heat is caused in water by fire. Therefore, if the
existence of a thing differs from its essence, this existence must be
caused either by some exterior agent or by its essential principles. Now
it is impossible for a thing's existence to be caused by its essential
constituent principles, for nothing can be the sufficient cause of its
own existence, if its existence is caused. Therefore that thing, whose
existence differs from its essence, must have its existence caused by
another. But this cannot be true of God; because we call God the first
efficient cause. Therefore it is impossible that in God His existence
should differ from His essence. Secondly, existence is that which makes
every form or nature actual; for goodness and humanity are spoken of as
actual, only because they are spoken of as existing. Therefore existence
must be compared to essence, if the latter is a distinct reality, as
actuality to potentiality. Therefore, since in God there is no
potentiality, as shown above (A[1]), it follows that in Him essence does
not differ from existence. Therefore His essence is His existence.
Thirdly, because, just as that which has fire, but is not itself fire,
is on fire by participation; so that which has existence but is not
existence, is a being by participation. But God is His own essence, as
shown above (A[3]) if, therefore, He is not His own existence He will be
not essential, but participated being. He will not therefore be the
first being---which is absurd. Therefore God is His own existence, and
not merely His own essence." St Thomas
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His intelligence for my ignorance
Self
denial is not giving up something in order to know what is true. It is
not revealing secrets in order to be free from some kind of blind spot
imagination. It is seeing that Gods work is 100 percent and our work is
100 percent ... or He works in us to will and do. Self denial is seeing
that we put no confidence in our numbering system of checks and
balances. In coming to terms with ourselves we focus on the causes of
why we are not the same. It is seeing that our past sins have been taken
care of out of the free grace of God from eternity past as our
confidence that we forget about who we are now as we think of the
reality of our struggle with our past sins. Because our relationship
with our Father is much greater than our sins. This is why we
think in terms of what our identity is in light of the glory of Christ
... that we are new because He has given us power according to His
concern for His name. Now that we have a new King we are represented in
this new authority. He is both our high priest .. our prophet king. We
are not trying to gain favor. Grace is what we live in. This is not a
second chance. It is seeing that we determine only what He determined.
We cannot do anything that He did not choose us to do. Because He is
free to decide then we are free to have confidence that what we want is
what He wants. It is this expression that we learn what true freedom
is.
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If i were to compare the power of sin with the
power of the flesh it may be like dealing with a reflection of my view
of the powers of this world... and the devil. In a sense these overlap
because they are all enemies of the soul. Just like this universe is
mixed with beauty and danger. The problems come when we are having to
face these enemies in a more profound way. This is what the apostle
called the war on the inside. It is no wonder he used the term put to
death because there is no other way to deal with this adversity and the
fall out of its reducing a man to a mere animal.
I have found
that there is a correlation between what a man knows and understands in a
spiritual way and this free expression of victory in the temporary
death of the experiencing of the power of these enemies. When i mean
temporary death i mean experiencing a state of peace as if the victory
in battle had ended the enemies threats. This knowledge and understand
is about the epistemology of the use of the means in order to fight and
not miss. It is also an awareness of the power of God available as a
vehicle and not a intrinsic confusion of our image with His brightness
in His glory. This is why there is no power in the flesh. This is why
the apostle made it impossible for us to imagine that Christ had left a
small amount of the flesh as alive to fight with our own ability.
If
we were to turn on the microphone of the flesh we would discover that
it is not interested in a slow and subtle movement. It is screaming
curses in our spiritual ears. If you thought about a situation that is
so hideous and hateful then it would be confronted by someone who was
threatening us and cursing at us. This is the level of the anxiety
that we endure in growing to understand the nature of all of these
powers as what our present spiritual awareness affords us. Think about
this. Its not a physical attentiveness. You speak in a way of
understanding along with petitions to our Father.. that will kill its
voice. Peace that passeth understanding.
Most of the
opposition in this world that affect us is done at a distance and out of
our site so that it does not occur to us that we are being opposed.
Then the bible tells us that we become aware of this opposition on the
day of battle. This is what brings us a certain conflict in a direct
sense. This is how it is in our souls as well. Its always present and
its always working in a way that we are caught in the middle between
self confidence and presuppositions and our general disposition as it
relates to our present understanding in contrast to our joy and
praise.This is why the flesh is so subtle because it is screaming at us
from a distance... i mean... because we do not always know how attentive
we should be to the voice of our Shepherd. Because in dealing with the
flesh our view must be through the eyes of faith. In other words in
looking at the power of the flesh through the eyes of faith we are
always aware that the day of battle is approaching. Because all of
these pre ordained paradigms to make all things good are represented in
our level of attentiveness to the Shepherds warnings and comforts in the
Spirit. Those who know how loud the curses can become know that
they are always to be on guard. That is just because we do not
experience these powerful enemies when it is as strong as on the day of
battle we.... subdue it for the day of battle by the word and Spirit in
order that we will fight when it speaks the loudest.
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