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3646  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: Saved? Why are you so sure? on: April 05, 2010, 02:59:49 PM
God is most interested in making us spiritually identified with Christ in all of life. He is not trying to force us to have two lives. One private and the other public. There are some distinctions that weigh in our favor to shield us from our potential to be exposed in our private sins. We do not share things that are private in a public forum.
 I am talking about knowing what we believe and living fully free to be who we are in Christ even in our private sins. We live before God in both arenas to glorify Him and enjoy Him forever. So that even tho the temptations are greater when no one is looking ... these kinds of sins are only important because they are done before God who sees both of our lives. God is dealing with us to protect us as a father would protect his families privacy. If we live by the law of principle... public or private morality then we will die by the law. So we actually have available when we are struggling in private to start over again at any time. Since private struggles are usually more susceptible to drawing us into sin than public. Because God is trying to get us to live by the grace of acceptance in relaxing in every area of our lives. What makes us go into private and feel like we must expose our private lives is this relation we have to guilt as an imagination that exposure will make us more able to deal with ourselves. But God is the same all the time we just think He is like us. His acceptance is always the same. And if we enjoy Him then our tendency to live a private life and a public life will cease.

I also think we need a lesson on socialism.
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3647  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: Romans and the Flesh Monster. on: April 05, 2010, 02:24:25 PM

mbG:  "God is now our father... if my son came to me and told me to break him then i would give him this blank stare. What father is going to give his son a snake? If you then tho you are evil know how to give good gifts to you children ... how much more your heavenly Father."

K_k:  Yes, He is our perfect Dad.  And as such, He knows that there are areas of resistance to His righteousness in each of us.  Holdouts of rebellion.  We may not like to be honest about this, but we cannot fool Him.

It is not a snake that He will give us when we ask to be made like Him, but He will crush more of the snakes we may be clinging on to.  Is the process finished in Christ?  Absolutely.  Is it finished in our daily experience?  Be honest now...

God deals with sinners who come to Him as perfect in Christ. Sinners who are really messed up. I mean they are complete flunkies... nerds... dweebs... scumbags ... drunks.. wimps .. control freaks... dudes with hair on their shoulders... bald guys... drug addicts... pornography lovers and the most creepy dudes on this earth. (I had to add a little humor in this. Because its the most basic christian understanding. )God looks at the mess of the young believer and He says... not guilty!! Totally accepted!!! What drugs? What beer? what pictures? There is no condemnation... who will accuse my child? Come on ... someone step forward! I dare you! His love never fails..it doesnt depend on the object. He loves us no matter what!

 God will punish the slanders... the accusers... the self righteous...and the people who say "ah ha". Because God prohibits the murder of a believer through hatred. In fact the Psalmist prays that those who speak evil of him will have it recoil on his slanders. I do not think other believers would resist if they were weak in this area. God would work it out... but the self righteous well...  Thats how much God hates for men to wish evil on the his kids who are struggling. "May those who love You always say the Lord be exalted who delights in the well being of His servant."-this is the mark of the society of the elect.  When everyone is against us ... then God is for us.
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3648  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: Prayers on: April 05, 2010, 02:06:07 PM

mbG:  "Not everyone is able to know by memory all the things to say..."

K_k:  Yes, that is why i depend on the statement,

"Likewise the Spirit also helps in our weaknesses. For we do not know what we should pray for as we ought, but the Spirit Himself makes intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered."  Romans 8:26

Yes i agree that we are always growing and we have enough grace to keep us as we become more able to pray in a mature way. Remember  that the scripture also says that the prayer of the righteous man avails much. We can change very big circumstances with a prayer that comes in power. We can move big mountains if we persist in prayer. We could completely reverse this nation if we knew how to pray with big faith. The christian life is like 20 hrs of resisting and 4 hrs of victory. Some longings take 10yrs to break through. Prayer is like giving birth... its mostly labor pains and trying to grab the rite handle for leverage. Its like boxing. Its hitting the mark until you knock the resistance to the ground. We must be ruthless to grab the promise in order to gain the victory in prayer. That is real perseverance. Yrs my friend.. yrs.  Someday i will give some examples.  
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3649  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: Romans and the Flesh Monster. on: April 05, 2010, 01:48:08 PM

mbG: "These are ways God matures us to be able to help as more of an empty vessel rather than a self righteous blow hard. This is why .. even if we are in the most mature society.. we have the best fellowship... its still a dream to think that we are going to be able to arrive at a new level of obedience."

K_k:  As He breaks our rebellious pride we do arrive at a new level of obedience.  Not the obedience of will-power, but the following of His command to abide in Him.  Slowly, at a snail's pace, perhaps, as you said, but we will surely learn to depend more on Him and less on ourselves, if we are His child.  He's an infinitely better Dad than we are at being determined little rebels.

Kk... there is no where is scripture that we are commanded or encouraged to ask God to break any thing concerning a believer. First because our identity is in Christ. If our Father harms us then He would need to apologize to Christ. When Christ atoned for the sins of His people then He said it is finished. That means the work that was necessary to make us completely sanctified was done at the cross. We are no longer under the bondage of the law. There is no more bondage for the christian. There are no more so called blind spots or some kind of darkness in the soul. When Christ lives in us it is a totally new residence.
The only people God is going to break are those who will not repent and turn to Christ. Because they will destroy the poor and the needy if God did not break their arms and legs.
God is now our father... if my son came to me and told me to break him then i would give him this blank stare. What father is going to give his son a snake? If you then tho you are evil know how to give good gifts to you children ... how much more your heavenly Father.
 One of the problems that people have about being angry and learning that our relationship with God is not like our earthy family relationships is that there was an environment where there was evil anger as an expression in that earthly father relationship. People learn to accept an image of themselves in which they really believe that they must prove to someone that they are worthy to be loved. That is a form of self hatred. The way we deal with this feeling of useless ness is we grow by meditation and prayer to know our heavenly Father. As we learn that He is really good then we can be attracted to relationships that are totally free and loving . We do not need that kind of angry connection. If we have a messed up image of authority then its going to effect every thing we  believe about God. In growing in our relationship with our heavenly Father we must become completely transparent with Him. If we are in some way suppressing the freedom to think and feel in a personal way it is because we have not learned to be that transparent in expressing what we know and feel in our heavenly Fathers presence. If you heard my private prayers you would think i was a very hateful person. But God doesnt... he loves His children to come and unburden all... every thing... i dont care if its pain from a little pimple.. He cares and will teach us to understand how to express ourselves without the worry of what men think. We have a personal responsibility to grow up into mature spiritual men. 
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3650  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: Prayers on: April 05, 2010, 01:06:12 PM

I have difficulty with praying publicly because i know that part of my "people-pleasing" old nature wants to sound good to others.  So for now i refrain.

"But when you do a charitable deed, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, that your charitable deed may be in secret; and your Father who sees in secret will Himself reward you openly.
  
And when you pray, you shall not be like the hypocrites. For they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the corners of the streets, that they may be seen by men. Assuredly, I say to you, they have their reward.  But you, when you pray, go into your room, and when you have shut your door, pray to your Father who is in the secret place; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you openly."  Matthew 6:3-5
Well Kk... i dont believe that Jesus was prohibiting public prayers. If you look in Timothy the apostle says that he wants people in every church lifting up holy hands in prayer. My personal conviction is that a church that does not pray together in some way will be lacking in some way about the seriousness of being a high priest. I think praying public ally in some way makes people think deeply about the sick, missions, having a sense of the frailty of life.
 It also exhorts our leaders to pray ... i mean... in James he says to call for the leaders... that is not necessarily a formal thing.. it is just that the leaders need to pray for the specific needs of the people. It is established as the church matures.
I can assure you that its not for my ego to write the prayers. Not everyone is able to know by memory all the things to say... i just hope to encourage other people to pray. Prayer is established in scripture so that God will use them to advance His kingdom. If you read them pray along with me.
Kk... we can only think spiritually in a circumspect way. So we need to weigh all of scripture to bring the single scripture into a context.  
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3651  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: Saved? Why are you so sure? on: April 04, 2010, 05:09:54 PM
We are a product of our environment. We have a religious environment. This is where we begin to assume a certain man of our imagination. I dont think its necessarily teaching in a direct way... but its the spirit of a society of that particular teaching. I am remained about Kks post on the leaven... where the father would go through the house to identify the leaven... even the smallest leaven particles on the floor so that he would thoroughly cleanse his house of any leaven.  Teaching is like this... its like the big piece of leavened bread on the table and then the perception of that teaching as it begins to influence all of the communication and the kind of moral persuasion begins to form the inward disposition of the individual.
We assume that the future is not going to be good. In assuming this we are making assumptions about Gods ability to control our lives. We even have a kind of reformed understanding that is not entirely rite. We could have this big God who is mean and unbending. So that we develop a distance in believing that He is sovereign. Yes we say He is sovereign ... we dont need to worry... its a passive resignation that He is going to make us suffer in some ways,. This disposition has an effect on our doubts. Cause if God is not really good then bad things are going to happen and if we suffer in some way than it may be because we have sinned and He is not forgiving.
It is so difficult to change a former way of thinking. And this is why i think we have these ups and downs in our lives. Because we think that if things are going smoothly .. there is not much to be excited about ... that we are being blessed by God. We have all our needs met. But the way of change is to rise up to our God. We must put down our old ways ... our old ways of thinking.. our old ways of feeling by ascending in our worship to our God. We must find in our worship that God is good and we were not altogether naturally given to that disposition. Because Gods change is about contrasting our general tendencies to our old ways and a very different eternal kingdom world of experience. 
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3652  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: Romans and the Flesh Monster. on: April 04, 2010, 03:48:44 PM
All of us are subject to times in our lives where we feel really confident as christians. This is not really lasting. First because the Christian life is never a life that stays the same. We are always moving along two steps and one step back... sometimes we seem to never move at all. So in essence God is doing things along the way to increase our dependence. I do not think the main focus is to be more spiritual... more holy etc. But is to draw near to God in a way where we know that we do not deserve what we get as far as good things. I do not mean that God is going to do evil to us in order to move us along.
But just think of it like this. Ok you get over confident and then you start doing things that will not be good for other people. You forget that having a situation in your life where you would become extremely weak and sorrowful does not have an effect on you in this present overconfidence. In other words the time you went through the last trial has been a long time and you feel like you can do this christian life better than before. That is when there is a big potential to screw up big time.
God can work things into our lives to settle our confidence. It may be through putting us in a situation where we are facing a lot of resistance. It may be that we become poor and there is not much to be thankful about. It may be that we start struggling with old sins and that power of sin brings us to a lack of self confidence. These are ways God matures us to be able to help as more of an empty vessel rather than a self righteous blow hard. This is why .. even if we are in the most mature society.. we have the best fellowship... its still a dream to think that we are going to be able to arrive at a new level of obedience. We must see that God uses all circumstances in our lives.. even the ones that seem to be negative to move us along at a snails pace . And that we are subject to be brought down so that someone else might be lifted up.
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3653  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: Saved? Why are you so sure? on: April 04, 2010, 03:03:06 PM
I learned a few things that may help you. If you have trusted in Christ it shows by your concern that you may not know Him. But this is not a good practice to always be thinking like you are in between knowing that you are saved and worrying that you are not. We were not saved to circular thinking. First the assurance of our salvation is centered on the way we think. Then its about how we feel about what we think. Its about our attitude as well. Then its about our confession that we are saved.  When we first confessed to want to be saved we made a confession that Jesus is  all we need in this life. When we spoke with our mouths then all of these other realities of salvation became personal to us. We had a completely different world come to us. Our hearts were transformed... we became clean in being completely forgiven of our sins, and we received new life so that we view everything that is important to us through the substitution of Christ for us on the cross. We received His life for our life... we received His righteousness in place of  our sin.
Guess what? This is all in the past! We no longer need to go through the process of meeting Christ for the first time. We know Him! With this in mind all we are required to do is thank Him for this gift. When we continue to go back then we are not believing that He was able to accomplish this in us... we need to help it along. So we thank Him always... day and nite for such a great gift.
The second thing is that salvation is Gods word signed in blood that is how we are always assured in any circumstance in this life. It is a covenant to us of His eternal love. What we need to do is to agree the rest of our lives in a pronouncement that He is going to be good to us from now on until eternity. So we sorta are always saying may you be faithful to me... and we say amen.We pronounce His promises on our lives. Because what we think is what we say and what we say is going to form how we act. Or it could be what we say is what we think and what we think is how we act. Both of these prayers are called trusting in or ongoing believing in Him.
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3654  Forums / Main Forum / Re: Thoughts? on: April 04, 2010, 12:02:12 PM
"Dispensationalism. I am unapologetically a Calvinist dispensationalist (someone tell that punk Heinrich). Having said that, it shames and confounds me that so many have cause to associate dispensationalism with antinomian, libertine licentiousness. I disown that false teaching with every fiber of my being, and it in no way grows necessarily out of the heart of the dispensational approach to Scripture."

Here is a quote from the guy that wrote the article on Brown. Anyone who knows anything about the Reformation knows that dispensationalism is not Calvinism. It defines the new covenant downward. (Covenant Theology) I am only pointing this out cause of his judgmental piece.  What is a dispensational Calvinist? Thats an oxymoron.
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3655  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: The Levitical Feasts on: April 03, 2010, 11:10:21 PM
I think in Acts it says the church met on the first day of the week. And wasn t it more of home church s? That being resurrection day. I think the establishment of the NT church service is a celebration because of this.  

There was a period where they spent a whole week together. They met day by day.  
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3656  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: The Levitical Feasts on: April 03, 2010, 10:14:32 PM
Great read Kk ... thanks for this...
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3657  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: Prayers on: April 03, 2010, 01:54:35 PM
Father this is your world because you sit on high calling for songs of joy . We rejoice because you have determined what is good for everyone and the salvation of the world because you are worthy to be praised. Your covenant will stand , you cannot go against your design to bring men before you. This is why we are caused to be covenant keepers. Because you have given us your eternal promises and we see you work on our behalf to show forth your righteousness even tho we are filled with sin. Yes Father,, you who still the storms, who cause the waves to cease... you who end wars and all of these things are good to your children so that all men come to you.
Oh Father when we are overwhelmed with our sins you atone for our transgressions. For you have taken care to be good to us by your work alone through your Son. We could not be present to praise you for this when you decided to save us but by your great grace you still give us what we do not deserve. Not only have you provided us with a righteousness but you have brought us unto your self so that we might enjoy all of the pleasures of your house! For we sit before you and feast at your table of good things. How can we praise you enough? For we meet with you and all is well!
We give you praise in the morning and we give you praise at night. This is what we are encouraged to do. Because we are surrounded by your love and you make us to enjoy you by being our strength when we fail. Oh Father there is not enough time in a day to enjoy this fellowship of your good graces. We are only left to fall asleep with a longing to praise you before we are able. We lift up our praise to you oh most High.  
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3658  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: Jews have cast off the law and tradition and everything they had learned? on: April 03, 2010, 01:11:25 PM
I dont want to make this a law to obey the function of being available to do these things and love one the way he would want to be loved. Because we are dealing with a God who deals with us who cannot love like this. There are a lot of cultural... systemic problems that must take time... maybe a few generations to reform. Although it could be done very quickly if God were to revive the church to call on Him. But as we see there is a soil here... the implanted word... and its also the soil of a united mind. That being the wisdom that comes from above.
In the covenant God says if you would only trust me... if you would ask of me then i would do great wonders among you. Basically God is saying there aint nothin gonna happen in a sense of reforming until i do it.

First because all of this carnality is not just an individual problem. But this is also a level of a religious anemic group connection. Because all of these means must be produced by asking and the wisdom comes in the maturity of understanding the spiritual fruit of these connections. In the covenant God promises to provide for His children ... not only to protect them, not only to keep them from temptation, anxiety, fear, despair, and a lack of understanding of the personal effects of being a spiritual leader that is equipped to know and understand the nature of the evil as it is coming at him in subversive communication, but we are also to enjoy a level of uncommon rejoicing, trusting, fellowship, victory , giving, and the vision of Christ that draws us in community to be lifted out of ourselves. We are dealing with a necessary level of grace as the means to increase our scope of usefulness in this world. That is Gods timing... people.
We are promised that God would ... out of His free grace open up the heavens and pour fourth His blessing to us if we would just ask. That He not only provides a safe security of community ... that is we are like undeserved sinners who have such a safe net of uncommon connection to one another that this grace would move everyone to a more caring potential. God says that he will take from the nations and give it to his people as a way to prove his covenant faithfulness. So we are looking at deepening in our knowledge of this eternal loving and faithful God as a covenant keeping God who does all of these things for His children. How can we have this if we do not really know our eternal Father as He is ?

So we have all of the promises and we have a multitude of grace to pour forth in this community. We are not paupers ...people. He is encouraging us to seek the wisdom of God so that all of these graces will make us be molded to one another out of a free gospel spirit. If we are lacking we must ask, seek , knock... learn the ways of God. For in doing this we will not only save ourselves but we will save one another.
I will talk about this reciprocal communication to one another that comes out of our personal worship as the way of healing in community.      
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3659  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: Jews have cast off the law and tradition and everything they had learned? on: April 03, 2010, 12:14:25 PM
He is talking about relationships here. Religion that is acceptable is to look after widows and orphans in their distress. Along with his opening statement about the poor and the rich. If you look at the verbs you will see they are desire , gives birth, accept the word that has been planted, listen and do = forgets his identity , looks intently, the law that gives freedom, continues to do- not forgetting his identity. And then it will show in some way in our actions ie our circumspect and unfeigned love . especially for those in need.
Now the law that gives freedom is the law of liberty in our union with Christ. Hes not talking about a law of confession of sin or anything that binds us in order to access all that we have been promised.  We do not start with bare faith but with our position and our union with Christ. Because we have been definitively sanctified. That being we have been set apart unto God.
The opening of James is that we ask. Not that we do what we think is wise as our way of living. As i have been saying we are to put to death the misdeeds of the body by the Spirit of God. The beginning of faith is a gift to us by the work of Christ on our behalf. The end of faith is Christ... He determines the quality of our faith.
 Now why do we have a law that gives freedom and are encouraged to have mercy on the weak? I thought that James would come out with both guns loaded to encourage discipline. But instead he talks about a law in which we treat others like we would want to be treated even tho this is not reciprocal. Because all of our salvation is a gift of God out of His eternal love for us. The freedom is that we are not rejected when we sin.. we receive mercy , therefore we should treat our brothers with mercy and not judgment. You notice that he encourages us to have a sense of weakness because of our own sins which is the reason we extend grace and mercy to our fellow members in the church of God.
As the confession encourages us to confess our sins because we are all going to face some trials that we may need to be strengthened by receiving mercy when we fail. And at times it may be scandalous. But yet through the upholding of our brothers in Christ we can be brought back to enjoying a renewed zeal for Christ. Because we cannot do any good thing in our own way.. but we need the Spirit of God along with the word of God out of the love of God to do the will of God. Look at the WCF. A real balance... not a two line philosophy.  I could write for days about the Jewish customs of how important it was in giving mercy to a stranger ... that being the weak and fatherless. This is an ot covenant paradigm.

American religion has used James to build a system of democratic checks and balances. Its time to tell the truth in light of the OT church .. how difficult its going to be to reverse the club mentality that James is attacking here.  
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3660  Forums / Main Forum / Re: Satanic Power During Prayer on: April 03, 2010, 05:40:30 AM
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Ezekiel 33:11
"Say to them: ‘As I live,’ says the Lord GOD, ‘I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but that the wicked turn from his way and live. Turn, turn from your evil ways! For why should you die, O house of Israel?’"

We need to understand that the God of Israel was a covenant keeping God. This is because the covenant that God made with Abraham was a covenant of grace and confirmed Abraham and his offspring in the covenant by faith alone. The law was not given until 450 or so yrs latter. And this is why God was faithful to His chosen people. Because in the covenant of grace God is always faithful ... He protects His people from all harm.. so that they can say.. we will never be forsaken.. we will not be shaken and we are under the full protection and power of God to bring us through. There is a reason that God gave the covenant of grace first. Its because the chosen are unable in themselves to do one good thing. I mean... the pronouncement of foolishness is toward sinners. Abraham considered himself as wicked before God so that he might be justified by faith and not by the works of the law. It was his gospel obedience in sacrificing his son.

This is why God gives us a grace that is irresistible.  Because He spoke from the beginning and there was life. And He speaks salvation and there is new life. He calls his people to himself that is a great multitude that no one can number and leads them up to the temple to worship him. These people are prisoners that need gifts. Because they have been under oppression for too long. His grace is fully able to save the most oppressed person in this world. From the time of salvation ... God pronounces ongoing salvation to His weak ones. This is Gods call that is irrevocable. Oh that salvation would come to Israel... i am fully aware in my pronouncements of blessing in my prayers on Gods church that Israel is not going to be forsaken. Its in the covenant of Abraham. If i forget you oh Jerusalem... oh that salvation for Isreal would come out of Zion when God restores the fortunes of His people!!.... that promise through David that Christ would rule in the new heaven and earth. If God turned from his people He would not be a covenant keeping God. We are Abraham s seed but He will not forget Abraham.I love the planted seed in the soil of history more than my own country. People the world is changing and its foolish to try to reverse this course... put your hope in God.. He moves events toward proving Himself faithful to His covenant. God is GOD.

Ok ... let me get my dancing clothes on and sing some Psalms... I ll be bock.        
3661  Forums / Main Forum / Re: Satanic Power During Prayer on: April 03, 2010, 04:56:14 AM
Thanks Kk ... a very good discussion... just wanted to resurrect this thread. These days are extremely trying because i believe we are entering into a time of great temptation as a people. Its become a mental oppression as well as facing physical exhaustion. Most of what we are talking about here in this doctrinal discussion has to do with the question of what is a proper world view... or what kind of vision do we have in knowing how to discern the times. We are always tempted to over react as a definition of falling into danger. This is why we are encouraged to stand our ground because our first impulse is to take our swords and start wailing away at the opposition. This is why these doctrines are very important to our understanding of how to move along on this very particular path.

God has designed this way in being able to see the entire event as already transpiring so that He is not just a God of the individual situations that we are in but He is a God of a period of time and subsequently is more direct and fully able than we judge Him to be in moving the entire world events so that the elect and the weak are not destroyed. We really are not dealing with a succession of events ... but we are dealing with a general course of the world in which men are trapped. Because our battle is with the world the flesh and the Devil. God understands fully that men are more molded by the current philosophy of the world that brings them into a course which in the end will lead them to the choice of which bondage is the lesser evil. Just like Pilate in this passion week with Jesus. He ends up in the way he conducted himself throughout his ruling ways. He gave the people the oppressive prisoner and crucified the Redeemer of mankind because he was unable in himself to withstand the pressure from the Roman empire. It was little traps and then it was a scheme... and then it was circumstances that swallowed him up. This is how Satan gets the advantage over the world in this destroying scheme. It is a slippery slope and then He greases the tracks so to speak.
So that the elect of God are totally dependent upon God to identify the pitfalls that stand in our way. Our problems are vision. We can only determine to identify a tenable circumstance by how people think and what they love. But we do not have the vision that God has.  
3666  Forums / Main Forum / Re: Governed by Man or God. on: April 01, 2010, 02:11:11 PM
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As that well-known little guy with the big God says,  "There is only one commander and chief of the universe."  Isn't it exciting to be in His armed services?  (Armed with His Word and Spirit, of course...)


The things that are most obvious are the ones that get lost in a multitude of insignificant things. If we were to try and focus on all of the different attachments that we have in this world that will bring us pleasure and a real sense of security among our own people it would be a weight that we could not endure. This is why gospel living is not focusing on overcoming the detail but its remembering a few simple things. We long to long and we become.
Our forgiveness is sure and stead fast. Our sins have been removed from us as far as the east is from the west. Now everyday the sun rises in the east and it makes it circle over us. That is we see the same light rise from the east and its a glorious picture that God is faithful and His love is from everlasting. It spans the universe. He is the same from day to day. His provision is both spiritual and physical. This is why we sense what we know is true about the light that we are exposed to. We see the sun come up and we feel the heat. It blinds our eyes.
So it is in the spiritual sense. His word has been spoken. It rises in our hearts as we are exposed to the light of His countenance. This is why it never returns void. It changes us because we are made to be changed from one glory to another. Sometimes we stop at the light part... but its more than light ... its pleasure. Now this is how we know Him. We are exposed to the pleasure of God when we are exposed to His light and we are made to rejoice in His word. So that in the pleasurable longing we are made to pronounce more pleasure on the meditation of His word. When we begin to be transformed in this way then we know the source of security and faithfulness. That this universe is not going any where because God is upholding it and we are safe in His hands so that in the pleasure we know that we cannot be moved. 
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3667  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: Jews have cast off the law and tradition and everything they had learned? on: April 01, 2010, 01:32:06 PM
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That's not a sin God can't forgive; that's a crime that society cannot overlook. For instance, if a man is a murderer and has been sentenced to the death penalty, that's a "sin unto death." However, to the penitent person, God can forgive that person and justify Him through the sacrificial death of His Son and give him the promise of a future in His Kingdom, although society will probably still carry out the sentence for his crimes.

These are people that commit terrible sins and hide behind statements of faith and bare no fruits of repentance or remorse. They see intellectual acknowledgement as a ticket to heaven when in fact they have not repented nor turned their whole hearts toward God. God forgives those who repent, confess their sins and turn to God through Jesus. Unless we are "born Again" we will not see the Kingdom of Heaven.

I don't think you are an expert in 1st century euphemisms and figures of speak. How could you be? It's your opinion about Jesus' meaning; but it's a bit too literal and  inconsistent with all the others things Jesus says in the Gospels. Anyway there will be non-believers still living on the earth when Jesus returns.He not going to destroy the earth and everyone on it...thats extreme Bible interpretation which ignores abundant OT scriptures which states the opposite. 
So they can in fact be the least in the Kingdom of Heaven which has many peoples living here at that time.

Thor Smiley

Thor.. first i do not think we can determine absolutely who is a christian and who is not. Only their lack of confession of Christ will make it sure they are not. And if you look at the book of James... faith without works is dead....he was not saying that if we make a bunch of rules and keep them then we prove our own faith. Remember this has a history of the Pharisees who were meticulous about rules.

If you see in the other parts of James the direction that he goes you will find it having to do with a persons cultural position or his financial position in society. James was taught by Jesus who was a friend of sinners and who attended the Synagogue that was like dead orthodoxy. James probably understood dead orthodoxy more than we do since we read into the book our American form of self righteousness.

If you look at the history of the Jewish custom and understanding of faithfulness ... then you will find that their idea of security of ones faith was based upon their being a chosen nation of God and were loved by God as special since it was Gods covenant to them in Abraham. Their problems were more of a self righteousness and presupposing things that were not true. So in the NT we come to the apex of this kind of thinking in the Synagogue worship. There were a lot of divisions in the Jewish church of Christ day on many cultural fronts. James is really talking bout Lording it over one another in the spirit of strife and envy. He is not saying that if you keep a bunch of rules then your faith is real.
The standard in the OT was to treat your neighbor as the law required. That is why they would open their personal things to a stranger without judgment. And if you really want to see how important it was just look at Lot in his depravity offering his daughters as a peace offering. James is dealing with the reality that of the use of the means of the faith as that by which we show our true colors. He encourages the use of the means as that by which we approach God... we understand our relationship to the poor and the widows and we set aside our biases and love because Christ loved that way. It is showing that you love Christ by looking to Him as the only hope.. in connecting in a fashion that is out of the heart.
This is like the argument that Paul makes in the first part of Romans. He attacked their self righteousness by saying that they forbid the very things they do. Which is a lack of understanding .... mainly about the gospel ... of which Paul lays our in detail in 5-11. 
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3668  Forums / Main Forum / Re: Governed by Man or God. on: April 01, 2010, 11:58:27 AM
It amazes me how much we think of our national goodness makes a difference in the history of the world. What ruler in history is remembered as if his presence were able to influence the recovery of the wrongs that build up in a society? The truth is that history of men is just an emotional romance novel. Men die and are really forgotten. If the man was entombed as a dead idol it would only show that God is the only one who is truly living and brings about events in all of history as if he were the past present and future ruler of the earth. For dead idols do not speak. They have no power... listen... not even their own documents can produce a reversal of this earths deadly ways! For God alone is the ruler of this earth. The earth is His foot stool.
Because men do not rule with equity or with justice. They do not protect the poor and the helpless. But a rulers only real value is that he is powerless to do any good unless God determines to guard the city with respectful separation of powers. For it is a mans personal prosperity that is Gods blessing on mans future prosperity!
 There is only one commander and chief of the universe. He is the only one who can make wars end. He brings one ruler down and raises up another. He sustains this world by allowing all men to take a breath of air. This is why the work of men is subject to cease from one day to another. And then they are quickly forgotten as if they never existed. I am speaking about real power not romantic. So all of you who think freedom is a big deal. The truth is that you are like a still born baby. Your life will not mean a bit when it comes to who has the power to make nations subsist. God is the God of moral ability. Weve been prayin about this for a long time so that we might have a real picture of what this world is like.   
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3669  Forums / Main Forum / Re: peace and joy on: April 01, 2010, 10:31:14 AM
2 Samuel 22:34
He makes my feet like the feet of a deer; he enables me to stand on the heights.
1 Samuel 2:9
He will guard the feet of his saints, but the wicked will be silenced in darkness. "It is not by strength that one prevails;

We live in a world that is a kingdom of power and glory. We as believers define reality on the ground we are determined to walk on. In my life it was pictured in hurricane Andrew. Prior to Gods very determined act in the force of those winds i had built a wall in the trailer that i lived in. If we work with the sword in one hand and passion in the other then nothing can make us anxious in the path that we walk. Because a saints feet represent what is determined to transpire on this earth as where the Christ kingdom will advance. Whether it is Gods act to judge men or its a determination to bless that society. We are the Kings children. Peace will prosper under our feet because we long for.. bring to reality... both negative and positive the real peace of determination.
After the Andrew blew down my trailer i went back and to my amazement there was a wall that i had erected in the middle of the trailer that was still standing. The rest of the trailer had been blown down so that it was flatten. Now that made me really confident in a time where there was not much to be confident about. This is how God loves us. He will never fail us. We can stand and say i will not be shaken! Because we make the reality of wherever we place our feet.

 This is why since we will have in the future all that Christ has conquered in His death and resurrection yet we still walk the land rite now. In reality our Savior walked on this earth. Where ever He placed His feet there was healing... love... salvation... and suffering. In His suffering He judged all man kind and loved them at the same time. Christ on our behalf or those outside of Christ. He sent His Spirit to be our comforter so that where ever we walk there will be salvation to that city. This is why the apostles cleaned the dust off their feet when they turned away from the city who rejected the kingdom of God....a sign of the real earthly judgment. We must see that we bring the gospel of peace in the completed power of Christ ... after being given the power of the Holy Spirit to determine the prosperity of this earth. Where ever we place our feet we bring peace and joy whether God determines to use were we stand for judgment ... we will have the blood of the wicked on our feet at the end or for salvation of walking on streets of gold and all kinds of valuable stones.  
 
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3670  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: Why do our opinions differ? on: April 01, 2010, 09:35:49 AM
Willis:  "On the other hand, if I'm playing a game of chess against a grandmaster, even though I am totally free to play whatever moves I want (free will), the grandmaster's knowledge is so superior to mine that it matters little as he can steer the game as he pleases to his desired result. Imagine if the grandmaster had INFINITE knowledge of every possible path the game could take!"

K-k: If we take that infinite knowledge of every possible path and expand it a bit we get infinite knowledge of every possible path that will be taken by each individual.  And that is back to an all-knowing God knowing in advance each decision that will be made by each "free to rebel" person, plus His own responses to those decisions.  Which makes both free will and predestination possible simultaneously.

Somehow i forget why there is a theological conflict about this.


  

Real value on this earth is expressed by the amount of help we need as gospel members in community. It is not as the world attaches value to things. This is why Christ came into the world with a radical message. Because it goes against every thing that works in a materialistic society. God must work in determining all the workings of things or men will turn the world into a kind of Tower of Babel. Our problems as Christ has said is that since we are so blind the the infinite value of His work ... then we try to make a system of checks and balances that weigh in our favor. God will not be mocked.
The truth of kingdom relations is that the weak are the exalted ones in Christ kingdom... the strong are made to feel weak. First because sin is like stealing the gold from the Kings hand. Each sin is an attempt to over throw the Kings reign. Whether it is a sin of omission or commission... whether there are worse consequences on this earth... yet before the eyes of the King who attaches eternal value to the weight of the reality of the way things are supposed to work every sin is a weight to stall.. bring to an end.. that work that God does through His needy ones. Instead of attaching the value of Christ to work in the situation ... that is going the extra mile... men make their own system ... trying to move things along ... faster than God .. so that they build their own religion to replace Gods ways. This is why religious professionalism is so deceitful. Because men do not lower themselves to the level of weakness as a natural understanding of the value of suffering on Christ behalf. THis is why God will not allow a man to continue on from one generation to another. Our only hope is to come before our God and let Him determine how He is going to work and expressing our lack of the weight of real value to do as He would want us to pay in bringing real goodness to one another. God must be God in all things or it would not be real value.
3673  Forums / Main Forum / Re: Satanic Power During Prayer on: March 30, 2010, 02:18:40 PM
Thanks Kk... i am still amazed at people who create divisions in scripture for the sake of an idea about God that is not all together true. First.. some people think that there are cursing Psalms, penitent psalms, prophet psalms... psalms of ascent etc. But in the use of the Psalms for many years ... these paradigms are intermixed in all the Psalms. So that is a big whopper of a lie.
Second God is both an angry God and a loving God. Gods anger is perfectly able to bring about the proper ends of bringing glory to Himself in the working out of all events in history. Heros are made because God uses sin to accomplish His purposes. He only has one will... He can be angry and hate filled and at the same time be most loving and kind. God never changes.. He is the same God in the nt as He is in the ot. Gods law is that by which He acts in absolute and full justice. The existence of the law is Gods willing things into reality as God.
God is very concerned about every word... every thought... every event in the history of the world. He weighs the hearts of men. He knows the thoughts of men... that they are futile. That is every thought that is not for the glory of God is a thought to end the existence of God.The fool says in his heart ... there is no God ... they are corrupted and their deeds are vile. ALL HAVE TURNED ASIDE... ALL TOGETHER HAVE BECOME CORRUPTED... THERE IS NO ONE WHO DOES GOOD...WHAT ABOUT A LITTLE GOOD?... NO NOT ONE! So that men hate God because they will not submit their minds to His ways. Will evil doers ever learn those who devour my people as men eat bread? There they are overwhelmed with dread for God is present in the company of the righteous. You see this?... a passive withholding of grace and men are as a beast? They die on the inside. Because the world is the place of death... that is all of the speech all of the schemes of men... the detestable edicts that put men in bondage and the awful traps that wicked men lay for the poor , widow and the oppressed. God cannot sit back and watch this carnage ... He must act in order to be loving.
So to accuse the saint of hatred is a laugh. The only reason we have hospitals in this nation is because of Christians who give their time and monies in order to protect life. If all of the Christians suddenly left the world there would be the most awful depravity that would ever be seen in the history of the world. We do not have anything to apologize for.

The truth is that if God did not judge the foolish then the cities would be filled with cries... distress... and murder. Because God is the most faithful and good God ..then He directly comes to the rescue of His own. Dont for one moment think that God is to blame for all of the distress. Men naturally go astray from birth... thats a lot of evil decisions and actions being perpetuated over the land. This is why it is perfectly legitimate to be righteously indignant about this reprobate society. Because all men rich and poor have hearts filled with hate and murder against God and his people. This is why there is evil in this world.
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3674  Forums / Main Forum / Re: Governed by Man or God. on: March 30, 2010, 12:37:07 PM
This is interesting in this discussion.... http://www.easy-strategy.com/  http://www.nlp.com/  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lB_fJuUwvww
Socialism

All men will serve a god. And all men wish to serve a servile god. One that pays well. So as i have been saying there is a very distinct grace that cannot be violated or its just a doctrine of demons.
3678  Forums / Main Forum / Re: Satanic Power During Prayer on: March 30, 2010, 04:29:56 AM

I had a similar reaction after 9/11.  Wanted to exterminate all fanatical Muslims.  Followed by conviction that this was a very wrong attitude.  Followed by the recognition that i needed to repent and pray for them.  (But for the grace of God, there go i....)

And by the remembrance that, compared to Christ's perfect 100% righteousness, the rest of us are far below the 10 percent righteousness line. We feel so superior with our 7 percent goodness compared to someone else's 6 percent.  Or should that be our .007 % compared to their .006 %?



Kk... living in guilt is not a way to change in the christian life.Your always trying to use the scripture to prove your point or to force a conviction. The scripture supports revenge in some ways. I mean.. lawful.It also forbids abusive behavior. It does not matter if its in some kind of business setting in the world or its using christian lingo to control someone. Its the same spirit of gotcha... this is why we believe there is a balance in these things. Even in the old testament .. of which people try to say that it was unloving to curse the enemies of God... but the law forbade bullying. It was just as binding in the nt as ot. God gave the law to protect the abused party... it was not just a christian practice. What do you think this means here when in distinguishing between christian practice and legalism? Legalism1. Using the Mosaic covenant as though it is the covenant between you and God.


Teen Suicide Leads to Indictment of 9 Students
March 29) --Two days before a high school dance, 15-year-old Phoebe Prince hanged herself at her parents' home. Now, investigators have accused nine of her fellow students with the bullying that may have prompted the suicide.

At a news conference today, Northwestern Massachusetts District Attorney Elizabeth Scheibel detailed the charges against Prince's fellow students at South Hadley High School. They included statutory rape, violation of civil rights, criminal harassment and disturbance of a school assembly, The Boston Globe reported.
Prince, who recently immigrated to the United States from Ireland with her family, was the target of abuse and bullying since last fall, Scheibel said, sometimes within the view of school staff, as is said to have been the case on the day she took her own life.

"The harassment reported to have occurred that day in the school library appears to have been conducted in the presence of a faculty member and several students, but went unreported to school administrators until after Phoebe's death," Scheibel said.

In the wake of Prince's suicide on Jan. 14, residents of South Hadley have demanded that school Superintendent Gus Sayer resign from office, the Boston Herald reported. Until Monday's indictments were handed down, no action had been taken against the students accused of bullying Prince.

It is believed that she was being bullied over a brief relationship with a boy at the school.

The students named in the indictments are Sean Mulveyhill, 17; Kayla Narey, 17; Austin Renaud, 18; Ashley Longe; 16, Flannery Mullins, 16; and Sharon Chanon Velazquez, 16. Mulveyhill and Renaud were the only students charged with statutory rape.

Three other female students were also charged with crimes including assault with a dangerous weapon and violation of civil rights, but their names were not released.

As a result of Prince's death, the Massachusetts Legislature has approved an anti-bullying bill, the Boston Herald reported, that mandates that school principals report bullies to police in cases where criminal charges might be applicable.


Do you think its christian to not have any kind of response in this story? Turn the other cheek?  Do you know it is a criminal offense to use words to incite a person to violent behavior ... it could be religious talk as well?
We are peace makers and that could be expressed in revengeful lawful protection or some kind of pragmatic response where the authorities are abusive. The lack of parental and teacher protection is abusive.  Every situation has a specific response according to the individual circumstances. Its abusive to take the Sermon on the Mount and make it a law in its application.

You need to incorporate the Psalms in public and private worship. Not as a rule... maybe the aggressive parts are for private... I dont know... its such a weird world.  I do not believe that a person can be truly understanding of protection and the wisdom to know what abuse is until they have processed these ot prayers in their own prayer life.
3685  Forums / Main Forum / Re: Satanic Power During Prayer on: March 29, 2010, 07:35:56 PM

I agree with what you say, mbG.  But you didn't directly address the question.

If God loves His enemies and commands us to do the same, shouldn't we "love" satan, while hating what he does?

"But love your enemies, do good, and lend, hoping for nothing in return; and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High. For He is kind to the unthankful and evil."  Luke 6:35


Luke 6:35. "Lend, expecting nothing again. It is a mistake to confine this statement to usury, as if Christ only forbade his people to be usurers. The preceding part of the discourse shows clearly, that it has a wider reference. After having explained what wicked men are wont to do, — to love their friends, — to assist those from whom they expect some compensations, — to lend to persons like themselves, that they may afterwards receive the like from them, — Christ proceeds to show how much more he demands from his people, — to love their enemies, to show disinterested kindness, to lend without expecting a return. We now see, that the word nothing is improperly explained as referring to usury, or to any interest that is added to the principal:whereas Christ only exhorts us to perform our duties freely, and tells us that mercenary acts are of no account in the sight of God. Not that he absolutely condemns all acts of kindness which are done in the hope of a reward; but he shows that they are of no weight as a testimony of charity; because he alone is truly beneficent to his neighbors, who is led to assist them without any regard to his own advantage, but looks only to the necessities of each. Whether it is ever lawful for Christians to derive profit from lending money, I shall not argue at greater length under this passage, lest I should seem to raise the question unseasonably out of a false meaning which I have now refuted. Christ’s meaning, as I have already explained, is simply this: When believers lend, they ought to go beyond heathens; or, in other words, they ought to exercise pure liberality." Calvin

This must be balanced with the rest of scripture and a mans ability.
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3686  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: Reformed Doctrine on: March 28, 2010, 09:39:45 PM
Election

Union between Christ and his people was planned already in eternity, in the sovereign pretemporal decision whereby God the Father selected us as his own. Christ himself was chosen to be our Savior before the creation of the world (1 Pet. 1:20); Ephesians 1:4 teaches us that when the Father chose Christ, he also chose us.
Anthony Hoekema

" ...the conversion of a sinner being not owing to a man's self determination, but to God's determination, and eternal election, which is absolute, and depending on the sovereign Will of God, and not on the free will of man; as is evident from what has been said : and it being very evident from the Scriptures, that the eternal election of saints to the faith and holiness, is also an election of them to eternal salvation; hence their appointment to salvation must also be absolute, and not depending on their contingent, self-determining Will."
Jonathan Edwards

Election is the unchangeable purpose of God, whereby, before the foundation of the world, He has out of mere grace, according to the sovereign good pleasure of His own will, chosen from the whole human race, which had fallen through their own fault from the primitive state of rectitude into sin and destruction, a certain number of persons to redemption in Christ, whom He from eternity appointed the Mediator and Head of the elect and the foundation of salvation. This elect number, though by nature neither better nor more deserving than others, but with them involved in one common misery, God has decreed to give to Christ to be saved by Him, and effectually to call and draw them to His communion by His Word and Spirit; to bestow upon them true faith, justification, and sanctification; and having powerfully preserved them in the fellowship of His son, finally to glorify them for the demonstration of His mercy, and for the praise of the riches of His glorious grace; as it is written "For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In love he predestined us to be adopted as his sons through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will--to the praise of his glorious grace, which he has freely given us in the One he loves." (Eph 1:4-6). And elsewhere: "And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified." (Rom 8:30).
Canons of Dort (1.7)
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3687  Forums / Main Forum / Re: Satanic Power During Prayer on: March 28, 2010, 09:12:57 PM

My somewhat rhetorical question, was directed at our attitude toward satan.  We are told to "love our enemies", and we know that God loves us even when we are His enemies.

So what should we strive for, compassion for the most lost being, the one who will be the most tortured for eternity?

Kk we need to keep these two concepts in our vision. We are first to bring peace... but as you wrote a while back... we also warn that if they reject the gospel there is a sword to contend with. Now we know that God loves men in different ways. He has a desire to love all men. Because He has allowed sinners to prosper in this world.. He did not punish them for all eternity at the first site of sin... then He is loving. And His anger is not necessarily to harm the unbeliever. But He hates by not sharing His love to them. Because God has reasons why He chooses some and He passes over others. Because we all deserve to be sent to hell. But God is good because He chooses out of His good pleasure who will believe. And He never rejects the one who seeks Him. Which is really a person who has His Spirit or is being regenerated. But its mainly a promise to the family.
This is why we are in this world. Because we can bring many people to Christ... i dont mean.. in a direct way as witnessing but over a period of time in our consistent determination to see His kingdom flourish were we frequent. It may be a lot of trouble first. But there is always someone watching from a distance. And God saves people in his time table. So we cant always determine our own success.
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3688  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: Praying in the Spirit on: March 28, 2010, 08:49:59 PM
mbG:  "This is why we do not address Him as the Father... or necessarily our Father being public... but my Father." ...Later: "...relaxed in our Father's arms."

K_k:  I don't remember you (or anyone else here, other than the currently writing oddball) calling God our perfect Dad.  Do you feel that is too informal?  We may have hinted at a discussion of this before, but now seems like a good time to continue it.

Jesus used the word ABBA in referring to God, which is usually translated Father in English, but actually is more personal and intimate, more like our "Daddy/Poppa".  We use the term Father in a more distant way, normally.  I wouldn't call even my physical father Father, but rather Dad.

Could just be semantics, but i suspect it is more a way we have been trained to keep God "out there", instead of "right here".  What would satan like more than our thinking of God as either non-existant, or very distant, or highly upset with us?  And what would satan dislike more than our seeing, in Christ, God as our perfect Daddy, Who looks on us as His innocent children (purified by His Blood), Who is totally dedicated to our complete protection, our greatest current well-being, our ultimate best future, and Who can be trusted in / relied on / depended on, in all circumstances?

What if we really can jump up in His "arms", spiritually, and know He'll always gently catch us, kiss-heal every "boo-boo", and hug us all the way through?  What chance would the enemies of the King have with children like that?  OK, that's just a rhetorical question, we know the answer...

 Kk i agree with you... as a way of being stilled in our souls and finding all of our needs met in God... i mean...even having a sense that we have lost the worlds pressures for a time... this is Daddies way. Now it really is that Daddy wants us to know what we need from Him. I dont think its just focusing on His greatness and big heart of desire. Buts He actually promises to teach us in this mystery of a Shepherd Physician. Just like He is the Shepherd King in Ps.23 He has the most gentle hands. He searches us. This is something in a sense in which we understand His love to us in our passive enjoyment. Some people have devised a moral God as the great convict-er as the one who searches. But there is more mystery in this.. its our Father who knows us as dust.
This is more than a spirit healing... it does at times bring us an understanding of His design to heal us physically. It may be from His healing hand ... directly... or it may be an illumination and circumstantial connections. But if we learn about ourselves.. our general susceptibility to weakness then we are learning this universe is really the paradigm of the enjoyment of knowledge that God applies to us in a personal voice of wisdom. Our Father responds to our knowledge of ourselves. So that He teaches us about how to cry to Him even if the concept of the word is the same... but it goes in a different application to each individual. The point is that we receive the most personal application to our need. This is our Father hearing us. Or its His teaching us what we do not know and providing us a future deliverance by our personal longing and asking. As we learn to this most personal reply we are deepened in our longings to be drawn into His eternal pleasure. We experience this mysterious closeness that is beyond description. Now His love consumes us.   
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3689  Forums / Main Forum / Re: Satanic Power During Prayer on: March 28, 2010, 08:28:41 PM

Is it unloving to have fantasies of being able to play "pin the tail" on mr. ultimate bad guy? 

Kk... i dont believe that we can hate a person and be lovingly available to respond with respect and not like they have learned to act. This is why we do not wrestle against flesh and blood. The reality is that God allows us to go through times of temptations in which we are made aware of these special struggles. These are real situations with real people. I dont believe the scripture allows us to go against our brothers in Christ. Its best to avoid these kinds of confrontations. But how do we know who is saved ... i mean.. thats Gods territory alone. We can only trust that they mean what they say.
Mans natural response in this world is to eat other men. In this world where we define reality by philosophy it usually may involve a conflict of personalities. Since there is so much focus on that as the definition of a rational universe of living. And so this is probably were there is real hatred and destruction in this world. I do not think that man in his natural self can control this.
Because men are under the domination of their own hate. They plot evil on their beds. Why? Because they refuse to think thoughts of God. This is real hatred. If you hate God then there is only one person in the universe to love. Self. The self outside of God is restless... unbending... accusing... scheming...hateful and that translates into planning a society where God and his people are illuminated. This is man devising a universe from one day to another as he lays his head on his bed. This is why Satan is the father of the wicked. 
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3690  Forums / Main Forum / Re: Governed by Man or God. on: March 28, 2010, 07:54:59 PM
All things equal... they nullify each other. I do not believe in an equilibrium universe. Just the progressive nature of the world governments do not create equality.Real equality is produced in a kingdom advancement. It is seen in a public display of spiritual good winning over evil. This advancement of the kingdom of God has a causal relationship to real hope in this world. So that the progressive nature of the kingdom of man in a biblical sense is a digression from a history of theocracy to a republic. Which is the paradigm of the knowledge of covenant Theocracy.

So that the most peaceful time in the history of the world was under the Davidic rule. This is when God established in real time what covenant holistic understanding that mirrored the needs of the soul both in terms of the eternal hope and covenant prosperity in community. This is why Christ is the eternal Davidic king of the earth.

When we think of having a spiritual mind we must start with how a man thinks. The kinds of ideas one has in how he develops his world view. If we are to worship the true God we must worship Him as the King of the earth. If we are to know our place in this world we must know it as we relate to a covenant keeping God. We only know our connection to God as Father because of His covenant of love. That transcends all human institutions. We get our worth in this world directly from God our Father. So that we become a new identity. We answer to our heavenly King. All of our authority on this earth is from these promises that He has made in a covenant with us as His children. These promises are yea and amen... may it be... or they are the response of our cries... both in the condemning power of the law over its jurisdiction .... and the protection we get from our loving law giver. Its yea and amen... let it be.
Now this is how we live in our speech. We live in a new kingdom. Yes there is a kingdom of man but we are sojourners in our identity.  
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