6249	Forums / Main Forum / Re: Does God\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\	on: June 15, 2008, 02:30:45 PM
Quote from: squalltorpedo on June 15, 2008, 11:23:23 AM Hey MBG....just....tie.... it....a little tighter.....ahhhh that's it! So, while the noose is around my neck under "your' yoke of control, what was it you were whining about??  :  ))  but I do completely feel you are free to disagree with us.....  You're an intelligent guy, (even look great too)....but can you explain how what's been said sounds political??  The 2 issues work synergistically,  God's Grace produces fruit and works in us just as Paul, James, and Jesus reinforce that it does. The pre-requisite is God and His gift of Grace to whom He chooses....Grace over time causes an increase of faith and obedience,  faith and obedience pleases God does it not??  Never have I ever stated that Works are the basis of grace, quite the opposite.  Yet, one's attitude about sin (ie the struggle),  as well as the fruit (what God causes as growth in us)  over time does in fact shed light on what's actually taken place, in the first place. No one is ever free of sin, but nobody is ever as bad as they could be either.  I just believe that God does in fact convict us of sin, and find it very hard to scripturally understand how someone could claim to be a Christian, not ever struggle with sin, and hide behind a doctrine of grace to defend their right to wallow...and while declaring "nobody has the right to throw stones"?? Well, we see Paul taking action...as well as exhorting others to do so as well, was he wrong MBG?  So, we do see both sides to the picture,  and if you declare that God has no standards for Christian living, both written and Spiritually convicting, and think you can do whatever you please (and give hearty approval over others who also do).....you have a warped view of the Biblical Grace God gives.  In short, a genuine and total disregard of the respect of the "Grace" we've been given,  leads to a life "not struggling" with sin.  If you never struggle with sin,  then I'd say you'd have every right to question the validity of God's choice of influence in your life.  Wouldn't you agree?     Thanks for the response, Squ. My take on your intellectual philosophy is that you are teaching what i call the way to jump on the spiritual tread mill. The problem is we dont have the spiritual energy to stay on.  I will have to say that just watching you jump the theological tight rope is tiring me out a bit. Its wearisome to me that you are so quickly turning from the grace of God.  First if i depended upon my works as an evidence of the grace of God then the grace would no longer be grace. If it is tied to the train of works either as the car that pulls or the car that follows , it aint no grace car as we say in the south. Grace covers over sin. Sin is any lack of conformity to the law. Sin is not just an action but it is a thought. Every breath of my life is generated by His grace and will end in His grace as i lay my crowns at Jesus feet.  Grace is the back drop of failure. Because grace comes out of Gods bountiful love and faithfulness to us. So we do not have that kind of ongoing love. We love based upon false assumptions of ourselves and of others. We work as if we belonged to a task master and we are proud of our work as if we produced enough power to perform it on ourselves. Our problem is that we do not rest in the eternal love of God. This is not us having a sense of our self sufficiency as the problem, but it is in our restlessness until we find God. Love of self is finding the pride in ones work and attributing it to God. True affection for God is finding God all sufficient in the working out of our lives and praising Him alone for that kind of power. When we have relinquished the images of ourselves as being self sufficient, then we will have worshiped a true image of God.  So grace is the voice in salvation from God as Father of the assurance of the promises and the redeeming value of every inch of the history of the world. When we sin our Father comes to us with love and forgiveness, that is grace. When we fall, our Father comes to us as one who upholds us and that is grace. When we pray our Father comes to us with gifts that we could not fathom, that is grace. When we long for Him and His will for us, He teaches us by His Spirit and word apart from works that we do ,so  that we learn as we are loved and not as we are corrected in anger. And when we are not able to lift our heads, He sustains us by His power, that Power that is life sustaining. If we had really depressing thoughts He encourages us by a spiritual communication so that we can persevere in prayer. And as we learn to persevere in this way He adds His moral fiber to all of our lives. Now listen, within these paradigms i have described to you in this paragraph are the working power in the real world. These are the working of His power in us. As we dwell in this mindset we will be transfused with power from on high. We are trusting by faith and not by works. So there really is no trust in our working or our level of obedience. We simply rest in His love. Quote from: squalltorpedo on June 14, 2008, 03:03:31 AM MGB....going to give you some constructive critiscism here,  you tend to come across in your posts in a tone of "self-righteousness"  (ain't nuthin" wrong with me) attitude in as much as you seeem to take pleasure  pointing out where "you feel" (not necessarily God) "everyone" else has it wrong.....each and everytime.  I think Marc and Freeman make some very valid points for which I have also made "the exact same points" on other occassions, and you just don't acknowledge a hoot of truth to the same observations.  Btw....Not every sin is "cavalier" as you say.....sometimes poeple sin by doing what they "didn't  mean to do" and therefor disqualifies what you said describing sin in one mode only (ie cavalier)....which does in fact miss the marc!  I don't see the same attitude in Toadbat or others, and they agree with most of what you'd agree with, so what I'm telling you isn't based on the position you take, it's more an attitude thing.  I agree with you about willful sins and sins of omission. But i dont agree that there is a different standard of sin before God. Look there are sins that cause much more suffering than other sins, but that does not mean that we escape the degree of the judgment of God by a particular sin. God always deals with His children through discipline to maturity, not a punishment for sin relationship. He does not repay us according to our sins. There is a lot more sin that can be done by not acknowledging the Calvinist view point because sins of omission are committed by not desiring or longing for the things of grace in order for those things to happen in time. We do believe in longing grace.  If we share with God our ability and we are rewarded by our ability, then we are requiring what we cannot do. So that is sin, since our longing grace is the birth of the power to perform by the acknowledgment that the power does not come from us. But the cause of the power is in object we long for. So we can waste a lot of time in the omission of righteousness by having confidence in ourselves and thus sin by that. Grace is always free and it is all we need. I hope you see the difference. Marc said: MBG...how do you feel about your sin?  When was the last time you wept over it?  Marc, i an not bragging just stating a fact by a question to you. Do you spend night and day memorizing and meditating on the word of God? Have you not only memorized and regularly meditate on ps.51 but on the entire book of Psalms? You will find every soul malady there and every balm to it. I am just saying this cause it seems to me you guys are fixate on justification works paradigm. I think you have a holy club (group)mentality. Your a one trick pony. Reply Quote Notify 6253  Forums / Main Forum / Re: Does God\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ on: June 14, 2008, 04:17:26 PM Thanks Stu ,  I enjoy your sincerity in a relational way. I like feeling like you like me. This is a wonderful experience, but i still am a bit confused. I was wondering if you had changed your position on Justification by faith alone as a prerequisites to having an orthodox confession of your faith. But since you are bleeding equilibrium, then its hard for me to find where all this God sharing ends with us with what you have said. So i love you , but am really confused.  Since you have stated that you agree with us, but there are some things that you do not agree with us , are you saying that you really are not a five pointer now. Are we going along with the truth in this new relationship?  As you know we live in the indicative, so that we not only have these philosophical views of desire, but we live in these desires 24 hours a day. And these new desires conflict with the old desires from our former way of life so that in one sense we are not defined by these temptations to think old, but on the other hand we are in an all out war to think thoughts after Him. So we do not live in the guilt of the law but we live in the light of His light, His divine nature as our new identity. Our identity in Christ. So that we are identified in His work on our behalf as the only power to keep us from utterly falling.  So we are not philosophers looking into a doctrine, but we are living in the reality of never fully ending sins power, we are capable of falling into any sin at any time. The only real power that holds us from this paradigm by our thinking is His powerful grace working in us.  Then we can look back at His working through us and rejoice that His power is all we need. We can fully confess that we are totally unable without having an identity of being spiritually dull, cause we are looking from that gracious and all powerful working in us. Reply Quote Notify 6254  Forums / Main Forum / Re: Scandalous Freedom and Church Discpline on: June 13, 2008, 03:42:30 AM Many professing Christians view the cross of Christ solely as a reflection of how valuable they are to God.  They take license with Christ's sacrifice and belittle it by being cavalier with sin.  They show deceitful humility by readily admitting sin but not warring against it as we are commanded to do in Scripture.  It is not true repentance and "Scandalous Freedom" or "3 Free Sins" is an example of a Christ-dishonoring excuse for getting away with it.  You do this every time you sin. You practice this. I dont care what your attitude is about your sinning, its still cavalier. You have no excuse. There is no one righteous no not one. So now, instead of looking down at the rest of sinners, you need to be looking up to Him along with the rest of us. One of the reasons i would never be an Armininist is because i stand more of a  chance of being in the accuser position than a Calvinist. Anyone who does not believe in total depravity believes that they are different in their position than the rest of mankind. As i have said , its the indicative that we walk in, and your view of the world an my view are very different. Reply Quote Notify 6255  Forums / Main Forum / Re: Scandalous Freedom and Church Discpline on: June 13, 2008, 02:28:03 AM Quote from: Marc on June 13, 2008, 02:03:19 AM Not sure I understand your point MBG...I apologize.  Please clarify.    Look at the confession dude. A man may bring scandal on others, what is our response? We are to uphold him so that he would not utterly fall. I know your going to say something about repentance. Ok, look, confession is confidence that Christ work was enough.   I promise you, there s more negative stuff about what He does to accusers than to sinners. He loves the sinner who is struggling with sin. Is that you? Do you think God cares? Be very careful. He really does give ice cream to a sinner, cause Hes always good, He aint no accuser, we know who that is. 6256  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: Romans and the Flesh Monster. on: June 13, 2008, 01:40:36 AM The Lord is not in the business of destroying people in order to get them to submit. That is resistant theology. That is one man having a fight with another man. God is not like we think He is. Thats why we have His word to tell us what He is like. He does not break a man. He gives the man grace and upholds a man from falling completely. Salvation is very slow . When men presuppose on Gods timetable, they know nutin about real growth. A fool prays for God to break him.  Yea, really smart! , youall lead Gods people rite of the edge of the cliff. The bible has 10 times as many encouragement one anothers than confronting one anothers. The reason is because God is in control and we are to go according to His time table and not according to ours.  The 100 percent of the time we are the ones who judge the other person, because we have not taken the time to seriously consider the other persons view of things. God knows 100 percent what is going on in each of His own, Hes doesnt need our help. Who do you think you are?? Who is he that condemns? Are you God? Curses on all that pride!!!!!!!!!!!!  Our discouraging message may be a way to separate them from Gods love. Gods ways are the ways of love and understanding. His ways are the ways of upholding. Mans ways are condemnation and accusation. Seriously, who would want to go to a mean cold calculating God? Or a God that labels you, accuses you, and then tells you that if you get through His program of works then you will be loved.  You can t be serious! The ways of love are, we treat each other as we would want to be treated. No strings attached. Being willing to be taken advantage of. God treats us better than we could imagine that to be.        ITS GRACE, PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!      Dude, you are very hard headed! And if you cant do this, then step down from leadership,  cause you will leave a wake of the injured, encouraging people to depart from the faith. Reply Quote Notify 6257  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: Romans and the Flesh Monster. on: June 12, 2008, 07:05:18 PM Our lives are seriously in turmoil most of the time. So we feel that anxiety as a general condition. We go in an out of worry fear, and a lack of trust in Him. Because we are made by Him to feel low so that we can get serious about helping others who are struggling. God leaves the games for kids, because kids are always looking for an escape from the heat, and so we must at some point become serious adults and see the suffering around us and feel that suffering, making an effort always to go and carry our brothers in Christ. So God does things in our lives to make us feel the weight of our own inability. See we actually live in a leprosy camp. Thats the communion of the saints. Everyone who attends to the state of his heart as a general practice will feel a communion with those saints around him that are physically and mentally exhausted. His interest are not on the world and the things of the world. These things are the cause of all of the deep seated problems and sorrows that attend people. There is enough sorrow over sin that any one who is spiritually alert can understand.  So we live with the lepers if we truely take Christ love seriously. We live as beggars who are so over whelmed with the natural state of our unbelief that we would seek Him until we know Him to be in that situation in which we find our disposition to rest on. He is with that low and sinking disposition.  Christ is not with the high and self sufficient. They pass by all of His communication in this life , because they live as if they need nothing. But Christ begins to communicate His love to us when we go down to the reality of the level of our sorrow. There He is, waiting for us, and yes He is there to comfort and assure us of His presence. And as we lower ourselves in the true spiritual state then we will begin to see the real world. We will begin to see the sufferings of Christ as the most glorious communication of His love to us. This is the mind set of a true believer. Reply Quote Notify 6258  Forums / Main Forum / Re: Scandalous Freedom and Church Discpline on: June 12, 2008, 06:40:45 PM Quote from: Marc on June 12, 2008, 02:09:56 AM JohnB52, You've already referred to Matthew 18. . . Scripture clearly teaches that known sin in the body of Christ is to be confronted with the goal of restoring a brother.   Unrepentant persons are to be put out.   See also Galatians 6:1, 2 Thess 3:13-15.   Scripture does not qualify what sin. . . if you see someone in sin, speak the truth in love and follow the steps outlined in Scripture.   Christ did not delegate that responsibility only to church leadership. I don't see how "Scandalous Freedom" or "3 Free Sins" for that matter can be squared with church discipline.   Proponents here will defend freedom in Christ, but do so with an unmistakeable air of licentiousness. . . something Scripture never does.   John Owen said "when a man hath confirmed his imagination to such an apprehension of grace and mercy as to be able, without bitterness, to swallow and digest daily sins, that man is at the very brink of turning the grace of God into lasciviousness, and being hardened by the deceitfulness of sin. " Born again believers wage war on sin individually and are certainly concerned about sin corporately in the body of Christ.   "Therefore, having these promises beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God" (2 Cor 7:1) - not just delight TB!  When you guys can write an all around doctrinal piece with hope of Jesus then i will believe that its not a religious guilt game. I read the puritians because i dont want to waste my time. Reply Quote Notify 6259  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: Romans and the Flesh Monster. on: June 11, 2008, 08:40:25 PM  I love you guys . You are my joy and this place is my only rest from the world system. Its the way of the Lord to cause us to walk in the light of the terrible view of our own flesh. And we are the dregs of society. We are the ones who only have one true hope. When the world is going the way of condemnation, our only real call to us in these dark hours is out of the love , eternal love of our Father. We stay close to Him, we know His voice of grace. Our inner call is to see these eternal things and feel helpless to understand these workings in this world so that we cannot do a thing about them. We are led down the road of in ability so that we might find in Him a refuge about these times and circumstances and rest in HIs light that shines upon our path. God will always be faithful to His own. Look at the mountians, the high places. These are the spiritual things we look at as we look into His word. These are those places where He dwells , and we are the ones how have been stripped of our own confidence. We are only allowed to look at the grace of God and wonder how He is so powerful to hold us and comfort us who have been wandering all of our lives. Here is where we rest on Him. Our looking to Him lifted up on a hill. Here is His love for us, that covenant love, which rings in our ears, it is finished. Oh we only need to look. To gaze and to call on HIm to lead us to that rock that is higher than we are . He has accomplished all that is needed to keep us in His eternal love. So that we long for heaven as we look at Him on that hill , knowing that we have a Saviour that can help us in the time of need as we call out to Him night and day, calling on His name. Here He speaks peace to our souls and will lead us to the eternal call of His promise to keep us! 277  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: House of merchandise on: June 09, 2008, 08:29:23 PM Theres a place for everything. Everything has been sanctified. You can stop at the local dun kin donuts before church and pick up a better coffee than you can get there. Most of the businesses on the outside of the church are better at that. The church is not for business, but we leave our titles at the door. Its a place to be shielded from the world, where the poor are actually taken care of. Where the definition of how money changes hands is determined by God and not by supply and demand. Grace makes everyone equal in value, and covers over greed, coveting, and focuses on those who are struggling, to comfort the weak. The house of pray is a humble and totally dependent house on God. It is a place where real dependence is defined by the opposite of what goes on in the world. The world is a place of commerce the church is a place of grace.  A prayerful gracious attitude does not focuses on how the money is produced or collected or saved, but it focuses on Gods gifts and His ownership of all things. Then we are encouraged to worship God as He is gracious to us, and not by how we think we are before men. The disposition of a spiritual mind is to sorta cast dispersions on the way the world conducts its affairs.
6293  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: Romans and the Flesh Monster. on: June 07, 2008, 07:55:00 PM Yes there is a lack of understanding that we are always having to battle with. Since we do not know exactly what He wants for us on a daily basis, when we make all of these little decisions. The tendency is to trust in our deciding rather than to long for the rite things. We would love to think that we are serving Him when we are only serving in a servile older son obedience. So He is concerned with our hearts and the state of our peace. Since He has accomplished every good deed, then He has given us that as our confidence in coming to Him who works all things out according to His will. So we are always in need of an assurance to our faith that He is speaking to us this peace.  He has earned forgiveness by appeasing the Fathers anger against every sin that we commit, and we are always in need of knowing that forgiveness by His grace. If we go too fast in our remembrance then we will have a servile older son obedience. Because He speaks peace in the Spirit of grace, and He is always applying His work to our hearts in that Spirit through His word. So that we grow to love our sovereign Lord, who protects our hearts from a servile fear. He would never force us to obey. So that if we grow impatient then we need a communication of His love to us through that forgiveness through His grace. It is through the Spirit of freedom that we come to any knowledge of His gracious communications. If the Spirit has made -(the only spiritual work on our hearts) you free, you shall be free indeed. So that if we do not know His freedom then we really do not understand His grace and we will serve Him in a servile conviction. The only other option we have is to try to fake it. If we fall in love with Jesus , everything else will fall in place. Reply Quote Notify 6294  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: Romans and the Flesh Monster. on: June 07, 2008, 02:06:50 PM The inner man is a creation of the new call. We have been called to Him alone. The inner man has the new life defenses and creates an entirely secure soul. These secure understandings are the call of the Holy Spirit to a new way of thinking. As we grow in our understanding of the work of the Holy Spirit speaking to us in the word, we are shielded from the arrows of the enemy and we are secure in the communications of the Spirit. All of the personality traits of the whole man are renewed and not a product of outward intervention. The call of the new man is always from the inner man.  There fore we have a new way of thinking by that continuous work of recreation. And we long to be growing in His grace by that work. So that we think in the opposite way of the world ,flesh and the devil. Our way of resting is the way of war, and the sense of protection, and the way of meditation. As we deepen the inner man, the sense of protection is a strong conviction that there is no love of idols that we long for more than Him. As our mind is being transformed we are expanding our love for Him in the inner man, and we are longing to be like Him in our entire frame of disposition. Then we have a strong sense of the complications that are involved in this battle. We must think rite at all times so that we do not entertain idols. Because we have a very strong double mindedness in having a love of those things that are not of value in eternal world , and we feed the flesh and create a strong battle with those who belong to Satan.  If we have a rest from our being transformed then we will decline that much more by our level of understanding. Since the forces of the old  are grow stronger in our being stronger in Him. Temptation is stronger by the natural working of the worlds declension in our declining. There is a sense in which we are fighting by His word and His way , and we are watching Him in our position of refuge in Him. When we lose heart and turn back then we begin to feel the self awareness of the old life. Our struggles increase since we have feel alone in the sense of our falling into the old self awareness. A sense of Him being distant and the calls of the inner man are faint. This is when we struggle intensely with this lack of peace, since we have taken on the old awareness of our pride. Reply Quote Notify 6295  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: Romans and the Flesh Monster. on: June 06, 2008, 06:37:36 PM Given the above paradigm of how we view ourselves as the truth is presented to us, and our understanding of the nature of the truth, we therefore entertain romantic notions of the truth of who we are when we entertain a philosophical view of ourselves that inverts the secondary truths to the necessary truths.  This inversion is our delving into the imagination of the truth about ourselves. When we turn over the origins of our self image to an image other than how we are defined by the eternal truths we entertain images of ourselves that are lesser than the understanding of ourselves with true liberty.  The soul is like an internal living reception of the outward calls in its reception through the understanding of what comes in through our 5 senses. The level of the condition of the soul is always determine by a level of spiritual understanding and not the circumstances that enter from the 5 senses. Our internalizing of an unrealistic view of ourselves is the condition of receiving into our souls an image. The depth of our sense of the negative image is determined by the spiritual condition of our understanding and not the circumstances whether morally good or totally corrupted. That bruising of the soul as to the depth of the pain from the outward circumstance is only as deep as to what we entertain in the false image. We are aware of who we are when we are aware of who He is. Reply Quote Notify 6296  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: Romans and the Flesh Monster. on: June 06, 2008, 05:09:25 PM Personalities are very different. But we cannot be defined by our personality in our new life in Christ. Each person is not just a personality but there are other definitions of a person that are more important to having an identity than the personality alone. And yet there are philosophies that intermingle the teaching on the personality as if that defined the central issue in the inner problems one experiences.  The mind is the place where self reflection is understood. What we think about ourselves is who we are. There is a difference between a biblically based mind and a philosophically taught mind. The principles of reality are the basis for that which we find our acceptance of the understanding of who we are. And within this knowledge we are taught to think from the frame work of blame and reward. All of our feelings about ourselves come from our view of our understanding of this knowledge. How we feel is determined by our understanding of those truths that are necessary and those truths that are secondary. Because when we determine a secondary truth as if it is necessary then we determine to redefine human liberty.   Reply Quote Notify 6297  Forums / Main Forum / Re: I feel old.. on: June 06, 2008, 09:56:43 AM Quote from: JimR on June 06, 2008, 09:43:41 AM Get a copy of the Purpose Driven Life. Memorize and realize and start living your life by the first sentence: "It's not about you." Once you get that down, your life WILL be better. So will the life of everyone you come into contact with. Jim I have often wondered why a person would want to give themselves over to the control of men for obedience. Since i have been resting from my meditation, it seems that there is a tendency in all of us who are lazy to want to be protected by others. And yet we cannot get what we want in the long run by making men the center of our change. Men will always let us down, they are always self focused and materialistic. We have to consider the evil of our own hearts constantly lest we let into our souls the power of temptation and the snare of determinism. What comes out of our hearts reveals the state of our souls. We listen to the voice that is not calling us to sin, but the voice that is condemning us for our sin. Most men are agents of condemnation since men live in self righteousness. Just talk to men about the truths of the word of God , and most men will go horizontal with that focus. But when we apply the truths in the deep way, then we will be able to lead others out of the inner sins. If we just stay on the service of works then we will never develop a love for Him on the desire level. It is dangerous to live a long time without meditating on His word. I could not think of all of the heart sins i would let in if it were not a constant exercise. It is really about the ugliness of a mans heart. It is not me but Him. And it is about me when it comes to examining all things. Protect your heart by the scripture lest you be led away by the dogs of Galatians. Reply Quote Notify 6298  Forums / Main Forum / Re: R.c. Sproul on: June 06, 2008, 08:58:29 AM  Extremes are to be avoided for the sake of our being created by God, there is a necessity to respect that life as if we were living in the other persons skin and mind.  Our Fathers shepherd mentality is to protect the sheep from the wolves at all cost. So that we are not going to fall, not because we have not come to the end of ourselves, but because He is speaking to us as sheep and reminding us through the means of grace and the great Shepherds way of being under our trials that we are valued by Him. We must be loved first in order to grow , not by being left to the wolves but by being under His care for us as a doctor. Calvinism is not a set of doctrines for one to protect himself from serving others.Instead he actually thinks that he is chosen to be a  responsible  agent of making someone come to the end of himself.This is really the suggestion by the Devil himself. It is the Freudian destructive heresy of the 20th century. It comes disguised with a lack of understanding of the whole counsel and a false application of the promises to oneself in the justification works obsession.Since we believe that all of us received this undeserved favor we are to extend that in the way we live our lives. So that we are not creating our own means of entering heaven, but we are listening to Him and we are getting our orders from His voice. The warning in scripture is that we all have a bit of rebellion in our hearts even as believers and so He says that John came preaching fire and brimstone and you complained that He was to harsh, and the Christ came with the trumpets and you complained that He was a friend of sinners and publicans. So that all the doctrines we believe are only as relevant as we apply them to ourselves in the light of our inability to carry them out on our own and in believing this we are required to treat each other as if we received something that we did not deserve. So that talking to ourselves about our inability to do any good on our own will produce the Shepherds mentality.  If we dwell on the justification works paradigm we have not fully seen our own wickedness and His sovereign grace. We should never develop an attitude that we know more than the other person by our works obedience. This is the problem with the rich man coming to Jesus with his own ability. He actually thought that he was able to meet Jesus on Jesus level of righteousness and that there were very few people who kept these commands like he did. He looked at himself as never having the problem of falling into temptation or slipping into sin since He had the program of works rite. The problem was that Jesus did not want to here about how a man fulfills the law of God, but He wants praise from men for being glorified in all things , even in men struggling with sin. If we say oh i am better than these people who struggle with the consequences of sin, let them come to the end of themselves, then we have not loved Christ enough for His grace.