When we mourn we are silenced to have a sense
of our low experience. Because when we go through the fire we are at the
point where the time of happiness fades away and we are confronted with
the sorrows of sin and the temptation to doubt. We are always within
the paradigm of being in this time of temptation. If we were always
happy then we would never mourn over our sinful hearts and our hard and
shallow view of being addicted to the secularist's view of having
everything at our finger tips. We become depressed about being
under the weight of sorrow, so that time begins to slow down and we
become silent. We are now more aware of the quietness of the Spirits
moving so that we begin to learn to understand that we must become
flexible by a deepening of feeling the sorrow of our hearts so that we
will learn that God is in the mourning paradigm. And we will learn that
the happy times were filled with a lust for happiness that was keeping
us from being humble enough to know Gods power, because we loved the
power of our own experience. And we must learn to face the darkness,
when the clouds appear and we begin to experience sorrow upon sorrow. So
that when we mourn with those who mourn, we learn to be humble and to
be more aware of Gods speaking and moving by this quiet fellowship with
those who mourn. And in being in fellowship with those who mourn we are
in fellowship with His sufferings. We learn to create a quiet atmosphere
and we learn that the Spirit moves in a way that is in sadness and
quietness. So that the assembly learns to develop a respect for the
holiness of God , by learning to have joy in the quietness of worshiping
God with a focus on the heart in experiencing of joy rather than a
public show of shallow happiness. Then we will learn to be aware of
those who are going through sorrow, being as harmless as doves, so that
Christ love in us can under gird the humbled in worship.The amount of
understanding of this kind of body life will show the maturity in that
church.
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Forums / Main Forum / Re: Crucifixion And Resurrection
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on: December 30, 2007, 12:43:07 PM
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When we look at the cross we look at it in the
way of substitution. So that we begin our new lives of being identified
with Christ as the means by which we see our sin ,weaknesses ,
strengths, and the living our lives in this world of receiving and
giving of our means and ourselves. Because Christ has become everything
to us in His death and resurrection we no longer consider ourselves as
"the man", or the the one who has "no fear." But we live our lives in
Him as fearing Him because He is the only real Man, and any other man is
just an imperfect image. When we are saved we are freed from
the bondage of sin, made completely righteous, and given a new heart. We
are now able to see, touch, feel and hear the spiritual things. We have
the Holy Spirit living in us, so that all of the new illuminations
through His word are in HIm yes, and amen. For to Him and through Him
are all things. We relinquish our own efforts to gain a righteousness on
our own, and we begin to live a life that reflects His glorious light
in seeing Him as the direct imprint of Gods glory in the revelation of
Himself. But even tho we have died to sin, yet we still have the
remnants of sin that we struggle with. So that as long as we want to do
His will, sin is present with us. And we still want to do His will, but
we still want to disobey, so that we are not given a victorious
willing, but we are brought to a great struggle with sin and temptation.
We are made to feel elated of seeing Christ who is the glory of God,
hanging on the cross, bringing love and hate , anxiety and peace, joy
and sorrow, temptation and victory all together, so that in Him we are
brought to complete victory over all the accusations that come from this
struggle. And it is not because of our working, but because He came as a
man and accomplished victory over sin and the Devil, that we are now
completely exonerated of blame. He is our substitute, so that we dont
receive the just punishment for our sins, and we get more than we can
ask or think. The relation we have to our struggles is how we know Him
as our Saviour. So we are at times brought into great temptation
and stumbling under the load of guilt and shame. When we are under the
weight of these trials and temptations we begin to see that He went down
that road in a literal way, but that His road in carrying the cross was
the ultimate sacrifice in being crushed by men and the devil. He walked
to Calvary being mocked ,spat upon, beaten, and having the devils as
dogs nipping at Him in a way that we could never understand. He received
the blows of a hard heart, a misrepresentation of His character, and
fools mocking at Him with the full effects of hate coming at Him. And
yet He trusted His Father in a face to face inward longing, so that He
was praise worthy in walking that road. And His Father delivered Him, so
that when we walk down a lesser road of trial we are delivered in HIs
walk down calvary. Because we are identified with Him, and He is our
Man. This is gazing into HIs word, and being changed from one
glory to another, so that your desires are being made new by this
illumination of this Psalm 22. And when we are in a trial, we go to His
walk, and in focusing on HIm we get a new perspective of our trials and
sins so that we have a new way of thinking and our desires are
illuminated by that glorious and eternal supernatural light of
illumination!
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Forums / Theology Forum / Re: No more sin?
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on: December 21, 2007, 05:03:29 PM
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so
there I am with my neighbor and he is trying to explain a capacitor
that he is preparing on the computer board that he is fixing for a
friend. You know you stop by and they are working and then they start
explaining what they are doing.
He's into electronics and really
knows it. Sometimes he forgets that he's talking to me and goes off in
the " hyper electronics lingo"..and 5% variance by the transformer is
cut off by the blah blah blah..Huh? As he shares I'm completely lost.
BUT
I trust he knows what he's talking about. and this is just a human.
So when Adam and Eve were getting the low down on the garden? was it a question of trust?
but
no they needed to know for themselves..have it all figured out..so they
could make their own judgement..and God placed that opportunity right
there in their midst..and who is there with them..the someone one has
already denied that trust..the serpent..
but can they handle such info?? emotionally? spiritually?the knowledge of all??
How about those 3rd of angels?? and Satan himself?? where was the trust? I can do it better..he thought I suppose..
we're
not as individuals naturally inclined to trust....from anyone..not even
perfection..is our soul so vast and restless that it inclines us to
seek under every rock of this universe if it could?
is it pride that drives it and not curiosity?? I need to know....I need to know..why? whats the real intention of knowing?
I
agree, its really not individual sins that we commit that are the major
issue, but its what the sin does to us in its effects upon our hearts.
And then there is a natural hardness that we encounter on a daily basis,
through our own pride in good works. Some how we cant really see the
entire picture of who we are in Christ, so that we must rid ourselves of
the notion that we can assimilate these things into our personality in a
process. And so we answer our carnality with looking to Him like a
slave to his master, or as a maid to her mistress , and even like a
watchman at night looking for the sun to come up. With a focus on Him,
in a desire that is pushed upon us by the circumstances of this fallen
world, we learn to be single minded to Him. And then these other
problems of carnality will take care of themselves.
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Forums / Main Forum / Re: Psychotherapy, Mental Health Issues & Faith
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on: December 21, 2007, 05:38:27 AM
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I have struggle with depression in the past.
But I have no taken meds. There was one span in my life where i should
have, because depression can damage the body. So , i think medications
are good because they help a person prolong life. Its just like disease,
it will kill you if you dont take care of it. Meds are just
part of the solution. The other part is to be in a church where people
are expressing love. And when one person is struggling the other members
are to be part of the healing process, by keeping watch over that
member. Because church is for the depressed and the wayward saint. So
that there needs to be some respect for the hurting by having a proper
atmosphere in the meeting room for meditation and prayer, leaving the
talking for others out in the narthex. Because we dont really believe
that church is a hospital, and the least among us should be upheld. This
is Gods way ,He sets one person up and brings another one down. So that
the entire body can function without pride. And thats why its important
to mortify our flesh by the Spirit, because when we are fleshy we are
unable to minister to the down ones. So that unless we get to a
spiritual maturity where we can actually minister our spiritual gifts to
others we will remain in the infant state of worship. In the
counseling paradigm, everything needs to be examined. All of the
communication, the advice, the medical advice, and the coaching. So that
we will learn not to depend upon those outside the church, (except
doctors), but we will learn how to function as a body were we are
actually helping others in the outworking of their faith. Thats what the
function of the body of Christ is supposed to accomplish. And unless we
learn through hard times we would never come to want to depend on each
other for our mental health and safety. Because of the culture
we live in, we are greatly effected by how we conduct our christian
relationships in the church. There is so much confusion in how the
church is to function, that there is very little healing going on in
those relationships because we are confused about what the simplistic
functions are and what the difficult functions are. So that there are so
many different views of how a body of Christ is to function, and there
are more and more people failing under the strain of this culture. And
so at some point the heighten level of adversity is going to drive the
believers to unite, and then, there is going to be some growth.
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Forums / Theology Forum / Re: What is hell?
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on: December 16, 2007, 12:45:00 PM
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MBG,
I have to turn in now, but in closing, let me leave you with a thought
to ponder; If there is such a problem with our progenitors in the Garden
being made good but then choosing to disobey, then what are we going to
do with Satan. In Isaiah, he (being referred to as "Lucifer") is said
to have been created good "until iniquity was found in him." So,
evidently, being created good does not mean that a creature is has no
capacity to go bad. It just means that slowly, subtly, the fixation on
the object of the desire overtakes the will and makes it and not God or
his wishes the primary focus. It in fact, appears "good" in the
beginning (and for quite a while thereafter). As a recovering addict, I
am very familiar with this state of mind. That explosion of endorphins
between the ears feels so good, that in the beginning you wonder how
anyone could think this is bad. Until in the end you are lying and
stealing and doing any kind of sneaky, underhanded thing to get your
"good." What was wrong with the feeling in and of itself? Absolutely
nothing. When the desire became the primary fixation - all the while
thinking it to be "good," and pushed everything else out (including
God), that is when it became evil.
If you come
upon wet city streets in the wee hours of the morning, and then you
determine by this that there had been a rain storm in the night, and
then only to find out later that your diagnosis was wrong. But in fact a
street cleaner had put the water on the streets. The point is that
observation of a set of circumstances is not always the reality. So that
the purely scientific view of determining what is real has its limits
because of the lack of knowledge of being unable to observe the cause. And
this is the logical sequence in arguing about these ideas that come out
in our different world views. So that these ideas have an effect about
the view one has of himself, the image that is in his mind about the
truth of who he is. And in a sense our view of reality is what we think
it is that determines our view of ourselves. Because God has a
perfect image of Himself, so that He can reduplicate Himself by that
view. And because God is perfect then the only pleasure that He gets is
the view of who He is by how all things are worked out in the universe
by His working alone and not in any of the power of these secondary
causes. And so to share in the glory of His working would be to have a
will that is equal to His or more powerful. And this reasoning is the
cause of all the images of God that are false. So that to determine by
observation alone is part of the fallen view that man has of himself and
his ability in the paradigm of the cause and effect relationships that
are the origin of mans experience and the workings of his circumstances.
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Forums / Theology Forum / Re: Pet sins
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on: December 15, 2007, 01:24:50 PM
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The fallen state of man as it effects his
physical make up are part of is being determined by his experience and
is part of the determination of his experience. His physical
capabilities prior to the fall were of an eternally complete in his
experiencing the power of God as well as exercising his power to rule.
He was capable of the closer fellowship with God in being united with
all of his capable faculties.
His physical brain was the center
of his ability to be in a different paradigm of experience. What was so
fully effective in his developed brain was his ability to experience
life from a perspective that was completely eternal, and being able to
function in the universe the mind of Gods purpose in creating and
enjoying the experience of all that is real in the glory of Gods
beautiful design. He not only experience a communication to his brain of
Gods personal creating but he experienced uninterrupted communication
of the power of that wonder in enjoying that beauty so that in us being
on the other side of that experience these communications are in the
secret counsel of God. We can only imagine being in a state of
corruption. Because in the fall mans capabilities were fully darkened so
that man is completely unable on his own to see the eternal beauty of
Gods decrees.
Now the brain has been severely disabled being
only able to function in the sensations of the physical universe, having
its formation under the domination of the darkness of disorders giving
way to suicidal paradigm of struggling in this darkness. And from birth
our brains are fully aware of the pleasure of theses things we feel ,
taste touch and see. And these physical sensations are what form the
pathways of all kinds of dark disorders. Because God has determined it
to be so, being the punishment for our rebellion.
If God knows
our thoughts before we think them, and He has known them from eternity
past, being fully know to Him even older than the age of the earth, then
He has decreed to having our brains being formed by the power of
corruption for the purpose of bringing us back to Himself in showing
forth His grace in transforming the brain function through His
regeneration process to those new ordered pathways. And man must be
restored to his original brain function in order for Him to become more
like the Object unto his brain transformation. So that man is more an
more being transformed by eternal thoughts and new brain pleasures of
grace pathways, that take the place of his purely physical dominated
fallen state of lust, and rebellion.
The regenerated process of
renewal of the brain is a process by which a man replaces the eternal
perspective in the way he experiences all of lifes joys and sorrows, so
that what comes into his physical senses are being reprogrammed by the
renewed brain to being charged by the eternal sensations of Gods
pleasure to over power these old pathways of corruption in the brain and
to wean a man away from the pleasure of the physical world. Man was
under the perfect obsession of God being His beautiful object of
affection and was under compulsion to live in that pleasured formed
eternal mindset. But when man fell , his obsession became corrupted and
his compulsion was self destructive. So that man was cast into fully
being capable of being given over to depression and the manic state of
mind. Because man is from childhood obsessed with the love and lust of
his own physical sensations, and he develops a brain that functions in
pathways of pleasure that can never be the answer to his design, but
actually create a void in him, a void under the power of determined
destruction.
But God has determined to create each man, with
the particular corruption of different areas of the brain, for the
purpose of creating a new man, and being glorified by the grace of the
new formation of each individual with his different strengths and
weaknesses. And man now has a renewal ability by grace to recreate the
formation of a brain that functions on these new sensations of Gods
communication to his brain. Now the word of God is become alive to the
physical function of the brains functioning, and the brain is being
reorder by that powerful electrical current. As a man gets up in age,
the compulsive meditation brings a man to an obsession with Jesus
Christ. And so then these areas where a man is struggling with being
under the old formation of his thoughts are in direct war with his new
obsessions. And then there are direct communications of God by His
Spirit to charge a man to be weaned from those pathways of the physical
sensations to being charged with Gods eternal pleasures so that in the
last yrs of a mans life , his brain has been so formed on Christ that
the function of being under the corruption of death is leaving the man
with a pleasure of being translated into eternity, and having his brain
transformed to such a place by that Word, that the man experiences very
little grief, having a love for the obsessed pathways created by that
word for only one object. Being washed daily of the old mindset.
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Forums / Theology Forum / Re: Why Many Christians Can’t See What’s Wrong
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on: December 11, 2007, 10:34:38 PM
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I was thinking about this same thing today,
and I think from personal experience that we have so many options to
choose from. I look at the Christian faith like doing art work, painting
a picture. I mean there are some things an artist must do to perfect
his art work. And so he spends hours of practicing repetitive strokes.
And then he spends hours applying his craft to the work itself. So in a
sense we are responsible to become very familiar with our salvation.
And if we are lazy, then the painting will be blurred because we will
not have learned to focus more and more on the smallest stroke of the
brush.
There is even a greater artistic conception that comes
from the scripture. First because the scripture gives artistic life to
the one who spends long hours perfecting the transference of truth from
the page to the mind. And the scripture can never become boring, or
uneventful in the art of meditating. The scripture is the mind of God ,
coming into our minds so that we hear His words , and the words give new
life each time we ponder the nugget of truth. The more we focus on the
line upon line the more we are filled with the artistic notions of Gods
brush. We can meditate over and over and over on the same phrase, and
each time we will get something new. Because Gods word never returns
void, but it does its work, and like a painting the constant focus on
one line will add more and more color to the picture of ones life.
If
we have a question that we want God to reveal the answer, then since
Christ is not physically present with us, He has given us His Spirit and
so Christ and the Father come with the Spirit since they are the
Trinity, they are one. And it is as if we had Christ standing there with
us speaking to us by our constant meditation. And so we can be near to
God the Father by going to the word. And it is any where on the earth
that we can be near these real Persons. Even when we are physically with
other people, we are in a sense just as close even closer to Christ by
His Spirit and Word. So the scripture is Christ giving us new strokes of
artistic illuminations , teaching us to paint.
So we should
never be bored or looking for something to do. Because life is short, we
do not have time to waste. The problem with getting stagnant is that we
never remain in a place we were a minute before because in the
christian life we are always growing and renewing. It is like running a
race. We start out and then we get our temperature at a certian height
and then we are feeling good. And if we stop and then try to start
again, then it is trying to get our bodies revived to the same point
when we stopped. We are running a spiritual race, and if we do not focus
on the prize then we will not run the race to finish. So we focus on
the prize knowing that we cannot look to the rite or the left. If we get
off on a side road then we will never finish the race. And the
scripture is the way to the prize. The word of God teaches us to run the
race so that we go straight to the prize. And if we do not learn the
ways of God in the word, then we will be going onto all kinds of side
streets. But we do not have the time to go off. We only have enough time
to spend on doing what the scripture says, and following the doctrinal
approach to running. The more we learn the scripture and the doctrines,
the more we will learn to keep up the pace that is necessary to finish.
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Forums / Main Forum / Re: Thou shall not send your children to a public school!
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on: December 11, 2007, 10:08:00 PM
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Not
my words. A brother on another blog has attempted to make the case that
we are sinning by sending our kids to public school. I've exhausted all
my arguments against such nonsense, so I decided to come where there is
more wisdom for some help in countering the folly. If y'all are interested in weighing in go here: http://fool4given.proboards78.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1196324279In
general, the brethren there are a little more bound up in legalism so
be gentle. But they could also benefit greatly from understanding grace
and freedom in Christ. Daniel would be a good example. He
was taken away from his family, had his name changed, and was educated
in the kings court. So he had no connection to his lineage, yet he had
great courage and conviction. And so, God often times calls people who
are not connected in the traditional sense. The same with Moses. The
reality is that some times a normal upbringing can be a real hindrance
to a persons calling. And God calls us from eternity, not to have mixed
loyalties but to be in the best place for that person to seek Him ,for
in Him we live and move and have our being. The calling always takes
precedence.
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Forums / Theology Forum / Re: Can believers go on sinning?
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on: December 11, 2007, 04:06:08 AM
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Someone
from Grace Community Church in southern California may say, "You guys
need to be careful about this blank check regarding sins. It will
encourage people to go out and live like the devil. You should be more
responsible when teaching since teachers are held to a higher standard."
I am playing the Devil's/Accuser's Advocate, but interested in the feedback to this charge.
It depends upon who is the leader and what the intentions are to lead.
We are commanded to make disciples, which really is not the focus on
holiness of changing the out ward. Nor can we make replicas of ourselves
in the absolute sense. The apostle was saying to follow him as
he followed Christ. And then he says to follow the pattern that he
layed out in the epistles, but he also was constantly saying that he was
the chief of sinners, and put no confidence in himself. So the man who
is leading is not smug about his life, but is the most humble of the
others. And as well as being the dispenser of the truth, he not only was
to set the example , but he was to be the shepherd in a personal way in
the lives of those who were under him. That is , all of the
responsibilities of all of the high priest of families were binding on
the leader as well for all of the people. It was not the outward
behaviors that were evidence of holiness but it was the weighter matters
such as love, kindness, patience, and forgiveness that were evidence of
a mature shepherd. The process of mortification is a very long
and tedious process. If we set up a system to change a person into a
leader as it is described in Timothy, we may be charging ahead of the
process that is layed out in the whole of scripture. The attitude of
obedience is of a circumspect nature. We are to obey the whole counsel
of God. But the attitude and the reality are very different. So the
circumspect attitude involves the graciousness in the desire to be
circumspect. The kind of teaching is the kind of attitude, and the
teaching is confessional for the end of being circumspect. This was the
genius of the old puritans, they wrote in a pastoral way (that is a
shepherd focus )and not just in an exegetical way of that kind of
holiness. They intended to do it this way. The modern pastoral part of
the writing is either , too sentimental, too intellectual, or bogged
down in the language and lacking the confessional circumspect
undergirding. We all struggle with this today.Maybe we are reading too
much of them and not doing enough repetition and memorization ourselves. The
apostle never gave the impression that he had arrived, or was
separated in the sense that the command to give an argument for the hope
that lies within you. This was a command for all the saints from the
big sinners, to the more mature in the outward way. He wasnt pointing to
himself in the absolute sense as the reason, but he was the worse
sinner in the group of the saints. He talked this way about himself for
the sake of the spread of the gospel and not to make himself the focus.
It wasnt that he was committing the big outward sins, but he was
struggling like a new believer with sin and he was as a mother to the
new believer.
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Forums / Theology Forum / Re: Can believers go on sinning?
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on: December 09, 2007, 01:45:38 PM
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So,
for all those in attendence who simply believe that what John was
talking about was simply to go and "decide that you're not gonna sin
anymore, dagnabbit!", allow me to quote a very wise ancient Chinese
sage: "Rotsa Ruck, Charlie!"
1 John was written to Gnostics
who believed that matter was evil and impermanent, so it didn't matter
if you indulge the flesh and ignore the needs of your brothers and
sisters around you. Whether that has any parallels today, you decide.
(If I despise that attitude, it's because I see it in myself.) What does the passage mean to you?
The parallel for today would be that Gn. is compared to pragmatic
doctrinal views, which work into mysticism. Since most of our problems
with the creation of an idol god are hidden and spiritualistic in form
it would be in the view of the will. If the will is self
determined so that the objects of the choice are of equal weight that
defines human freedom. Since there is no real determined choice in this
pragmatic theological system. Then the teaching would lend toward the
object of the choice having all the power. So that the whole teaching
would be focused on becoming instead of being. And so when we have an
out of balance theology, our teaching is reduced to do not taste , do
not touch, and do not look. Now the opposite of self determination
choice in the arminist scheme is the old theory of letting go and
letting God. Now what happens in working this out is that there is no
real teaching on Gods will being the responsible agent in bringing the
soul to choose from a spiritual desire. Theres no focus on mans
inability in himself, because that would be in conflict with the will
and the equality of the object as the definition of self determined free
choice. Now , in the focus on the object and the necessity of
the prohibition, there will be a weakened spiritual desire, so that the
object of the choice will win over the pragmatic theological system of
self determined will. And when that happens then it is the same thing as
making the sinful object acceptable in the pragmatic sense.
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Forums / Theology Forum / Re: Can believers go on sinning?
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on: December 09, 2007, 08:44:37 AM
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Have
digested about 8/10's of this thread. As I was reading, the thought
came to mind of "I wonder if some Christians think that the stories in
the Old Testament are just some kind of incredibly long, literary emcee,
who's job is to come out and 'warm up the audience' until the real
drama of the New Testament comes along?"
Hello?! Those stories
are there for a reason! (Apart from the fact that they actually
happened!). What do you think is meant by The calling of Abraham? The
treachery and then struggle of Jacob? The bitterly long strugge of
Joseph until God elevated him to prominence in Pharaoh's court? How
about the brutal treatment of Israel at the hands of their Egyptian
masters and the subsequent freedom brought to them by God through Moses?
The wandering in the wilderness for forty years, the giving of the Law,
the establishing of the kingdom (in spite of the fact that God had
warned them against that). And to top it all off, the incessant, wanton,
desperate desire to return to idolatry every time you turn a page. The
thorough treachery of Israel in the face of a loving God who time and
time again (in spite of their spiritual whoredoms) calls them "his
beloved" and tries to win them back to Him even after they've told him
to go "kick rocks" for the eight hundred and fifty-sixth time - all just
interesting bed time reading?
Newsflash everyone! those storie were included to give us a picture of exactly the kind of people we are!,
not the people whom we'd like to be! It was (and is) God and God alone
who was (and is) faithful throughout each and every chapter of the Old
Testament. And if all that wasn't enough, He came down here in the
flesh, not only just so he could hear "go kick rocks" in person - but so
he could experience: "and have some nails too, while you're at it!"
This was part II of "Let's See How Crappily We Can Treat The One Who
Loves Us Infinitely." Also know as "The New Testament."
So, for
all those in attendence who simply believe that what John was talking
about was simply to go and "decide that you're not gonna sin anymore,
dagnabbit!", allow me to quote a very wise ancient Chinese sage: "Rotsa
Ruck, Charlie!" You need to read the Old Testament again. You and I, and
everyone one else who is a believer in Christ have a nickname that we
do not know about (but God does); it is "Little Israel." Each of us
will, at the least little provocation, speedily return to that dark
inner sanctum where we keep all the old idols that we havn't gotten
around to destroying yet. Some we know are bad (and were "working on
it.") Some are: "You've got to be kidding me, I thought that was just
fine!
So, the next time you get around to reading through the
Old Testament again, and your reading about Old King Saul (who was
definitely not a "merry old soul.") or David when he sinned with
Bath-sheba or Ahab, or Jeroboam, or any of the other kings whose
chronicled life generally includes the phrase: "And he did more wickedly
than even any of his fathers before him." Just say to yourself while
you're reading that: "Hey, I know that guy; he's me!"
Then, some clarity just might begin
Yes
, That was funny as well as enlightening. And if you listen to some of
the religious community you would get the idea that we have graduated to
a higher experience than those ot characters. There you see everyone
was an avoider, a liar, a vacillator, an idolater,and a mommas boy. Oh
one more, under some trial of an addiction. Yet Gods word brings out
both sides of the character. In other words its not just an example of
what not to do, but they are an example of what to do. Who shall bring
any charge against Gods fallen children? Who is the one who accuses? It
seems that we would rather define the terms of the normal
relationships, rather than submit to Gods view of all of us in the ot.
So we set up markers as standards of behavior and then we define a
person by human standard. But God sees the ugliness of self
righteousness, an so with these men who are both sinners and completely
righteous by imputation, there is no way out of being turned to Christ ,
because when we aim at one sin, we jump to the other side of self
righteousness to another sin, so that before God we are self righteous
liars etc." Where are we going to go?, Jesus , Your the only one that
has the words of eternal life." Because God measures on loving Him with
all of our hearts, minds and will. Which brings us all to be the most
irresponsible hypocritical liars.
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on: December 08, 2007, 10:18:57 PM
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Let me say something about these on going
sins. If there is a struggle with a sin that is hard to break, it does
not mean that there is no new birth there. I struggle with besetting
sins. But its not something that takes up a lot of my time. If we think
that we have no sin we deceive ourselves. Now it does not mean that its
natural for us to know we are sinners. In fact the natural state is not
to feel our sin. So when we go to the word we look in the mirror of our
souls and see that we are great sinners. But if we thought that this
coming to a realization that we are sinners and that we are forgiven is
through a process, then we are not understanding the whole of scripture.
Its not a process of overcoming sin, but its going to a place
where all of the process has be accomplished by the real man Jesus
Christ. When we look into the revealed word of God , we see Him through a
fogged glass. But that view of Him takes care of all of our problems
looking in the mirror at the ugliness of the face of our souls. So when
we struggle with sin, we should get closer to Him, since our problem is
His as the solution.
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