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« Reply #82 on: August 23, 2012, 02:08:44 PM »
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Heaven is near because God has set up His throne in our hearts. These spiritual beings
like angels, cherubim and spirits in their eternal and timeless work are described in His word. They are before the throne giving glory to God. All of us stand before the throne of the glorious Lamb who purchased us and defended us as we give Him the praise He deserves as He rules over all the earth.
Christ is eternally present as our high priest. He provided us with a defense when He sent His Spirit into the world. Christ is our eternal substitute who makes us all acceptable to God. How do we understand this communication so that we can grow in our relationship with Him?
Because we acknowledge that we are sinners and need of His help, He communicates His promises to us. We grow as we are focused on what He has said so that we might experience eternal life. The standard of His faithfulness that is taught in His word is the firm foundation the promotes our growth. Our desires are united with His universal promises as we apply them to our hearts. We grow in our relationship to Christ as we learn to pray according to His will.
He establishes His name and authority by doing whatever He pleases. He promises to loves us beyond what we could ever imagine. We gain confidence as we learn to approach Him according to His promises. Our great defender has condescended to us and separated us unto Himself so that as He works out all the events in our lives we might experience His presence. This gives us an understanding of the voice of the Shepherd.
Through His promises we are able to ask for this according to His will. We approach Him boldly through commanding His promises and commands. Because we are to be kings and priest of God we have a spirit of mind to live in the authority and name of Christ. Through his direct orders the king controls the events in His kingdom. The king only has authority as He speaks and prays according to the whole counsel of God If the king adds or subtracts from the word of God he acts in his own authority. His kingdom can only be established by whole and healthy doctrine. Gods word is all we need to live in His kingdom.
How can we grow in confidence if we try to act or define the way to approach God that is not holistically healthy for us? He has given us a personal message that addresses our circumstances as He satisfies the needs of our souls and the health of our bodies. And then we have the natural likes and dislikes that are part of our spiritual desires. So we need to know all that we are given in order to understand this holistic experience of our position in His kingdom. The danger is for us to ignore a word or to approach His word with pre conceived ideas. We must learn how to go to the word and let it speak to us. Yes there are basic doctrines what we must understand but doctrine without application is dangerous.
Christ has communicated with us in word form. We live by expressing ourselves to others and to ourselves. All of our speech forms even our physical appearance. The word of God is health to our bones. So that our experience in this life is in word form. And God has given us words to open up our souls by how He describes the human experience. We spend a lot of time trying to figure ourselves and others out by some form of communication. This is like a path way in life. We are taught to view people by how words are formed in a culture and repeated over and over again. The art of the christian application is to be able to distinguish between words that take us down a side road. Our experience is only reality as we understand how Christ has defined it and what He is working in relation to us. This is why we always approach this world and our view in comparing His application in His word with what words we trust in. This is the focus in learning how Christ is personal to us.
Christ is eternally present as our high priest. He provided us with a defense when He sent His Spirit into the world. Christ is our eternal substitute who makes us all acceptable to God. How do we understand this communication so that we can grow in our relationship with Him?
Because we acknowledge that we are sinners and need of His help, He communicates His promises to us. We grow as we are focused on what He has said so that we might experience eternal life. The standard of His faithfulness that is taught in His word is the firm foundation the promotes our growth. Our desires are united with His universal promises as we apply them to our hearts. We grow in our relationship to Christ as we learn to pray according to His will.
He establishes His name and authority by doing whatever He pleases. He promises to loves us beyond what we could ever imagine. We gain confidence as we learn to approach Him according to His promises. Our great defender has condescended to us and separated us unto Himself so that as He works out all the events in our lives we might experience His presence. This gives us an understanding of the voice of the Shepherd.
Through His promises we are able to ask for this according to His will. We approach Him boldly through commanding His promises and commands. Because we are to be kings and priest of God we have a spirit of mind to live in the authority and name of Christ. Through his direct orders the king controls the events in His kingdom. The king only has authority as He speaks and prays according to the whole counsel of God If the king adds or subtracts from the word of God he acts in his own authority. His kingdom can only be established by whole and healthy doctrine. Gods word is all we need to live in His kingdom.
How can we grow in confidence if we try to act or define the way to approach God that is not holistically healthy for us? He has given us a personal message that addresses our circumstances as He satisfies the needs of our souls and the health of our bodies. And then we have the natural likes and dislikes that are part of our spiritual desires. So we need to know all that we are given in order to understand this holistic experience of our position in His kingdom. The danger is for us to ignore a word or to approach His word with pre conceived ideas. We must learn how to go to the word and let it speak to us. Yes there are basic doctrines what we must understand but doctrine without application is dangerous.
Christ has communicated with us in word form. We live by expressing ourselves to others and to ourselves. All of our speech forms even our physical appearance. The word of God is health to our bones. So that our experience in this life is in word form. And God has given us words to open up our souls by how He describes the human experience. We spend a lot of time trying to figure ourselves and others out by some form of communication. This is like a path way in life. We are taught to view people by how words are formed in a culture and repeated over and over again. The art of the christian application is to be able to distinguish between words that take us down a side road. Our experience is only reality as we understand how Christ has defined it and what He is working in relation to us. This is why we always approach this world and our view in comparing His application in His word with what words we trust in. This is the focus in learning how Christ is personal to us.
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« Reply #85 on: November 17, 2012, 11:18:46 AM »
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When Israel was led out of
Egypt they were led by nite with God going before them in the form of a
light and behind them as a fire. This was the way that God led His
people from bondage through redemption. This picture of Gods redemption
of His people is how He showed that He is faithful by His covenant. So
this is an analogy of Christ care for His people by being their
Shepherd. Because we see Christ actually walking the same path that we
walk in the order He has described in His covenant then we understand
more our relationship to Him in this proper interpretation.
One of the mistakes we make is to take the nt word fellowship that is used to describe our relationship to God as walking along our side is an analogy of equal responsibility. But fellowship really is in the context of identity. It goes much deeper than a position of authority and responsibility. It is a picture of substitution. Christ takes our place so that we receive all that we are promised when we think correctly in this ot relationship to Gods people in leading them out of bondage.
The ot picture of the fire that goes before Israel is a Trinitarian work of protection and faithfulness to Gods people. Which came first? The giving of the law or the covenant made with Abram? Why did God give the grace covenant before He gave them the law? Because God had to do what was require to establish that covenant by Himself. He had to walk in between the slain animal alone.
This analogy of God covenanting with His people is not just part of a covenant that was given as the answer to the giving of the law. But it was a full picture of God plan of redemption in which He promised to redeem by His work alone. God was not balancing out the works covenant with the grace covenant. But in this matter of law keeping God was showing that because He walked in front of His people that He had to be the full substitute for them in matters of law keeping. Christ had to be the only man who kept all the law so that we might be accepted to God on that basis and not intrinsically.
This path of the righteous is so intertwined with the analogy of God as a consuming fire going out before His people to make their paths straight and to destroy their enemies on every side puts our identity with Christ in its original context. When we think of our being redeemed it becomes clear to us that walking down this path is more than following God in the rite direction. We are talking about an analogy of redemption in which we enjoy a full substitution in our being safe because Christ has already done the work ...like He created the world out of nothing so He recreates our steps not only according to His covenant but in a legal sense as well.
One of the mistakes we make is to take the nt word fellowship that is used to describe our relationship to God as walking along our side is an analogy of equal responsibility. But fellowship really is in the context of identity. It goes much deeper than a position of authority and responsibility. It is a picture of substitution. Christ takes our place so that we receive all that we are promised when we think correctly in this ot relationship to Gods people in leading them out of bondage.
The ot picture of the fire that goes before Israel is a Trinitarian work of protection and faithfulness to Gods people. Which came first? The giving of the law or the covenant made with Abram? Why did God give the grace covenant before He gave them the law? Because God had to do what was require to establish that covenant by Himself. He had to walk in between the slain animal alone.
This analogy of God covenanting with His people is not just part of a covenant that was given as the answer to the giving of the law. But it was a full picture of God plan of redemption in which He promised to redeem by His work alone. God was not balancing out the works covenant with the grace covenant. But in this matter of law keeping God was showing that because He walked in front of His people that He had to be the full substitute for them in matters of law keeping. Christ had to be the only man who kept all the law so that we might be accepted to God on that basis and not intrinsically.
This path of the righteous is so intertwined with the analogy of God as a consuming fire going out before His people to make their paths straight and to destroy their enemies on every side puts our identity with Christ in its original context. When we think of our being redeemed it becomes clear to us that walking down this path is more than following God in the rite direction. We are talking about an analogy of redemption in which we enjoy a full substitution in our being safe because Christ has already done the work ...like He created the world out of nothing so He recreates our steps not only according to His covenant but in a legal sense as well.
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« Reply #91 on: December 08, 2012, 01:24:42 PM »
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There is a spiritual dimension
that is called the heaven lies. I dont think its necessarily a location.
The bible says to set your affections on things above.. not on the
things of this earth. So we have a responsibility to understand like our
eyes are opened to these spiritual realities. That we do not fight
against flesh and blood but against principalities and spiritual forces
in the heavenly realms. This is growing in wisdom.. knowing how to
pray...being aware of the forces that are driving our culture.
This is praying in wisdom. But we are not using a spiritual tool as if it was doing all the work. We are involved in hand to hand combat with spiritual forces. And so we are talking about engaging in behavior that the world would think was foolish and worthless. We are talking about being involved in a battle with our own desires to overcome the opposition. If we do not have a stake in this battle then we would not consider it a good use of our time.
And part of this battle is to hold our ground. But this is very hard to do when the world is moving farther and farther away from God. I mean in our culture. And as we hold our ground we experience more and more of an opposition. But we must advance. How do we advance? How do we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ so that we will not over a long period of time withdraw from this opposition? We must understand that this involves our personal desires.
The bible describes a revealed word as a word of salvation. This is Gods word as a final declaration that everything in this world is moving toward renewal and His glory. But God has given us a battle plan to overcome as we are involved in His battle. God is opposing anything that is destructive. God has cursed the wicked and this earth. But the wicked curse God. And you see this in the story of Balaam. The wicked wanting God to curse Balaam but God cursing the wicked. So we see that God ultimately puts out of His way .. all opposition. I will continue with this and try to draw it back to the discussion.
This is praying in wisdom. But we are not using a spiritual tool as if it was doing all the work. We are involved in hand to hand combat with spiritual forces. And so we are talking about engaging in behavior that the world would think was foolish and worthless. We are talking about being involved in a battle with our own desires to overcome the opposition. If we do not have a stake in this battle then we would not consider it a good use of our time.
And part of this battle is to hold our ground. But this is very hard to do when the world is moving farther and farther away from God. I mean in our culture. And as we hold our ground we experience more and more of an opposition. But we must advance. How do we advance? How do we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ so that we will not over a long period of time withdraw from this opposition? We must understand that this involves our personal desires.
The bible describes a revealed word as a word of salvation. This is Gods word as a final declaration that everything in this world is moving toward renewal and His glory. But God has given us a battle plan to overcome as we are involved in His battle. God is opposing anything that is destructive. God has cursed the wicked and this earth. But the wicked curse God. And you see this in the story of Balaam. The wicked wanting God to curse Balaam but God cursing the wicked. So we see that God ultimately puts out of His way .. all opposition. I will continue with this and try to draw it back to the discussion.
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« Reply #92 on: December 09, 2012, 02:34:01 PM »
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Let me discuss our renewed
desires. A desire is like a wish...its equivalent to the ot concept of a
blessing. So a blessing is pronounced over the righteous. Or from Gods
view point a blessing is a word of deliverance. Our lives are blessed
because we wait for Gods new word of deliverance. Because we not only
have been completely delivered from this world but still experience a
sense of distance from totally resting in being delivered as if we did
not feel resistance from fear, anxiety, and sorrow. So we are always
being pulled away from our last conversion. We heard that word that we
had been longing for and experienced that peace but then it did not seal
us to live in it consistently. We call this experience as our longings
not being fulfilled on this earth. We long to long again.
We long because when we find God all is well again. So we go through a kind of child birth. We experience contractions we long to be delivered. Its looking for the new morning. That morning that is a new day. The new morning is our desire to hear God speak His love to us. So the day begins with longing for something that is new. Its longing for the next morning. And it can be a longing that is not fulfilled in the next morning but in a future morning. It is God speaking His peace or His word of deliverance.
So there is our growing in knowledge but there is also this personal experience of walking in our salvation. Its like walking down a path. Our success is how much we are able to focus on the goal. Our ability to over come is how we desire what He has said. The more we wish for what God has said is His wish the more we are gonna experience a kind of beatific experience. There is a groaning like being in child birth then there is a birthing. The birthing is our victory in a battle. This is like a new conversion of our faith. So we begin to long and succeed only to long and be resisted in a greater way.
We long because when we find God all is well again. So we go through a kind of child birth. We experience contractions we long to be delivered. Its looking for the new morning. That morning that is a new day. The new morning is our desire to hear God speak His love to us. So the day begins with longing for something that is new. Its longing for the next morning. And it can be a longing that is not fulfilled in the next morning but in a future morning. It is God speaking His peace or His word of deliverance.
So there is our growing in knowledge but there is also this personal experience of walking in our salvation. Its like walking down a path. Our success is how much we are able to focus on the goal. Our ability to over come is how we desire what He has said. The more we wish for what God has said is His wish the more we are gonna experience a kind of beatific experience. There is a groaning like being in child birth then there is a birthing. The birthing is our victory in a battle. This is like a new conversion of our faith. So we begin to long and succeed only to long and be resisted in a greater way.
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« Reply #97 on: December 15, 2012, 12:05:47 PM »
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Jesus words are eternal. So
they really do not originate from us. Gods words are said to be words of
life. This is why God says the all that creation was put into existence
by His word. All of Gods words are words of creation and
recreation.There is no space in all of eternity that is not under the
authority of Gods word.
The earth is designed from the counsel of God from eternity past. The earth is a revelation of Gods creative word. It has been firmly established because God ordered it by His , decrees, statutes, laws, and promises. So God in eternity past put the earth on display that He has existed through all eternity as immutable and unchanging. Gods creation is in perfect symmetry of all that He is. The world has been firmly established ..it cannot be moved.If the world could be moved from its access point it would throw the whole universe out of order.
So we look at the order in days, months, years and in the beauty of all the God created and we see that there is nothing in God that is working against all things bringing glory to Him. Even those things that seem to be out of order are actually working for the purposes of God to bring Him glory.
What does this do to help us see our own purpose in this world? When we see this earth as a creation of God we understand that Gods word is eternal. Because not only do things exist by His word but everything is sustained by His word. His word is from ideas that are revealed in His spoken word and from a vocabulary that we do not understand. Some of the reasons for events in this world are not known by us. So we fully acknowledge that Gods word is able to produce changes that are instantaneous and supernatural. Our purpose in glorifying God is experienced as we exalt His word beyond our own wishes and attempts to order our own course by our words.
The earth is designed from the counsel of God from eternity past. The earth is a revelation of Gods creative word. It has been firmly established because God ordered it by His , decrees, statutes, laws, and promises. So God in eternity past put the earth on display that He has existed through all eternity as immutable and unchanging. Gods creation is in perfect symmetry of all that He is. The world has been firmly established ..it cannot be moved.If the world could be moved from its access point it would throw the whole universe out of order.
So we look at the order in days, months, years and in the beauty of all the God created and we see that there is nothing in God that is working against all things bringing glory to Him. Even those things that seem to be out of order are actually working for the purposes of God to bring Him glory.
What does this do to help us see our own purpose in this world? When we see this earth as a creation of God we understand that Gods word is eternal. Because not only do things exist by His word but everything is sustained by His word. His word is from ideas that are revealed in His spoken word and from a vocabulary that we do not understand. Some of the reasons for events in this world are not known by us. So we fully acknowledge that Gods word is able to produce changes that are instantaneous and supernatural. Our purpose in glorifying God is experienced as we exalt His word beyond our own wishes and attempts to order our own course by our words.
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The ot worship book defines how
the narrative is written. The wisdom book is a rule book as Gods
authoritative inspiration as He is sitting on His heavenly stool telling
the story of redemption through the Prophets pen. All the words of the
ot are placed in order by God. Because God creates the order of time and
our lives are in His hands as we are in Christ who prayed into your
hands Father I commit my spirit, then through His life as the perfect
law keeper speaks on our behalf as we are raised with Him to eternal
life. He has given us a testament of that satisfaction for us in
protecting us by His law. It is the ot. God who sits enthroned on high
has provided us with a love letter of the history of protection of His
covenant people in the midst of a nation that has gone astray.
The prophets were the ministers of Gods covenant. Through the Abrahamic covenant God promised to bless those who bless you and curse those who curse you. God did not promise this to all of Israel. It was in this worship book that the prophets approached God. The worship book was given to them to raise them up to see the glory of God. God dwelt on the mountain were the temple was built but He gave them a revelation that was beyond the earthly temple. This revelation was in word form in which God created the enjoyment as the people were enlightened to gaze on the glory of God. The ceremonial law had the place of being a burden not as we look back to them but as they enjoyed salvation by faith. That burden created a longing in their hearts for the coming of the Redeemer who would save them out of all of their troubles. They looked away from the law and to the grace of God in a more realistic way. No matter what system a person is under the love hate relationship in the things of God never changes because the salvation of God transcends all other ways to seek God. It transcends time and space . It is a kingdom that dwells in us.
The prophets were the ministers of Gods covenant. Through the Abrahamic covenant God promised to bless those who bless you and curse those who curse you. God did not promise this to all of Israel. It was in this worship book that the prophets approached God. The worship book was given to them to raise them up to see the glory of God. God dwelt on the mountain were the temple was built but He gave them a revelation that was beyond the earthly temple. This revelation was in word form in which God created the enjoyment as the people were enlightened to gaze on the glory of God. The ceremonial law had the place of being a burden not as we look back to them but as they enjoyed salvation by faith. That burden created a longing in their hearts for the coming of the Redeemer who would save them out of all of their troubles. They looked away from the law and to the grace of God in a more realistic way. No matter what system a person is under the love hate relationship in the things of God never changes because the salvation of God transcends all other ways to seek God. It transcends time and space . It is a kingdom that dwells in us.
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Yes Kk, The purpose of
salvation is for God to get glory through us. If we have been saved we
have experienced a life in which God has completed the work in Himself.
Our purpose is not how we are identified in this world but we are raised
up from death unto life so that we are receiving gifts that are too
wonderful to imagine. We are blessed with this new life that flows out
of us in abundant joy. This life of God that makes us whole is our being
blessed with His desires that become our desires. We are complete in
Him so that our identity in this world is a by product of this union
with Christ.
We need nothing in this world to make us complete. This means that all things outside of our salvation are opposing our desires. Our identity in Christ is not only strengthened by the success of our desires but also by our opposing this opposition. Our only authority in opposing this evil is through word and Spirit. Our holistic experience is contained in His word. We are sustained by His word the same way that we live by eating food.
Our sharing in His word is a continuous exercise.There is are time constraints.This means that the exercise of meditating on His word ....even though it is not continuous in the physical constraints of time ,becomes to us eternally continuous so that it defines our practice. The eternal identity defines our practice. ...Just as Gods creating everything by His word defines the value of our work by the success of our desires.
Christ has taken care of the sin problem in our lives. We now enjoy our relationship with God through His view of the whole world. Because the world is subject to the eternal consequences of sin then God sees us as unable to be identified as being under the judgement of sin. We no longer can go as low as the world. The standard of righteousness is so high that we could never obtain it and it is so low that we are safe from judgement.
This is why God not only took care of our sin but He has taken care of the consequences of sin. The logic of overcoming sin is now reversed. We overcome sin by God smiling on us in our sorrows because of our weakness to sin. God looks at us through the lenses of blessing. Those who are caught in the depths of sin only view the world through the lenses of the curse. God blesses us by pronouncing us righteous so that we are righteous. We are only different because of Gods pronouncement. Even though we go into the valley yet we are not identified with those deep sorrows. We may experience this trouble.but.God is really smiling on us.
Because God has done the work for us to enjoy this blessed provision, we now can curse the experience of being guilty. Even though we look worse than the world we no longer are caught in this low pit. We receive a pronouncement that is greater than our best times. Out of our trial comes more blessing. In this we morn over the plight of the destructive forces that have engulfed the world.
We need nothing in this world to make us complete. This means that all things outside of our salvation are opposing our desires. Our identity in Christ is not only strengthened by the success of our desires but also by our opposing this opposition. Our only authority in opposing this evil is through word and Spirit. Our holistic experience is contained in His word. We are sustained by His word the same way that we live by eating food.
Our sharing in His word is a continuous exercise.There is are time constraints.This means that the exercise of meditating on His word ....even though it is not continuous in the physical constraints of time ,becomes to us eternally continuous so that it defines our practice. The eternal identity defines our practice. ...Just as Gods creating everything by His word defines the value of our work by the success of our desires.
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Christ has taken care of the sin problem in our lives. We now enjoy our relationship with God through His view of the whole world. Because the world is subject to the eternal consequences of sin then God sees us as unable to be identified as being under the judgement of sin. We no longer can go as low as the world. The standard of righteousness is so high that we could never obtain it and it is so low that we are safe from judgement.
This is why God not only took care of our sin but He has taken care of the consequences of sin. The logic of overcoming sin is now reversed. We overcome sin by God smiling on us in our sorrows because of our weakness to sin. God looks at us through the lenses of blessing. Those who are caught in the depths of sin only view the world through the lenses of the curse. God blesses us by pronouncing us righteous so that we are righteous. We are only different because of Gods pronouncement. Even though we go into the valley yet we are not identified with those deep sorrows. We may experience this trouble.but.God is really smiling on us.
Because God has done the work for us to enjoy this blessed provision, we now can curse the experience of being guilty. Even though we look worse than the world we no longer are caught in this low pit. We receive a pronouncement that is greater than our best times. Out of our trial comes more blessing. In this we morn over the plight of the destructive forces that have engulfed the world.
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If we are in Christ then what
is it to truly experience Him? Since Christ is a person then our
experience is described as having fellowship with Him. Christ teaches us
to know Him by His word. But its not enough to have an intellectual
understanding. We must know how to apply it. This means that what we
thought was Christ was just our own imagination.
We have a problem with having images in our minds about other people. We learn to observe people and describe the image according to our knowledge of relationships. We have a box that we live qin that in which there are no surprises.
But Christ speaks a language that takes us outside the box. Why does Christ describe this world in uncommon language? Because He sees all the details of the image of everything. He has spoken in a way so that no other person could speak it to other people. It is only understood as Christ opens our eyes.
This language is an extreme language. He has magnified the description of our spirits by using extreme words of anger ,passion and love. The expression of our souls is our only true reflection of who we are. Through Christ extreme language we experience His words penetrating beyond our understanding of our image. Because His language goes deeper and deeper in the search of our souls we more and more know Him as we understand ourselves. He realigns our souls to work in His symmetry.
We have a problem with having images in our minds about other people. We learn to observe people and describe the image according to our knowledge of relationships. We have a box that we live qin that in which there are no surprises.
But Christ speaks a language that takes us outside the box. Why does Christ describe this world in uncommon language? Because He sees all the details of the image of everything. He has spoken in a way so that no other person could speak it to other people. It is only understood as Christ opens our eyes.
This language is an extreme language. He has magnified the description of our spirits by using extreme words of anger ,passion and love. The expression of our souls is our only true reflection of who we are. Through Christ extreme language we experience His words penetrating beyond our understanding of our image. Because His language goes deeper and deeper in the search of our souls we more and more know Him as we understand ourselves. He realigns our souls to work in His symmetry.
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