Truth
is found in the scriptures ultimately and practically. \"In your light
we see light.\" We can have a systemised moral set of standards and be
lieing to all those around us and lieing to ourselves. Because we are
always measuring things by our perception of reality. Each one of us has
a perception of what the truth is. We measure the truth based apoun how
the ultimate consequence will come out in our favor. We are always
fighting not only with sin and darkness but with self righteousness and
self fulfillment. Reality is what Gods measurement is and it is what
kind of distaste in our mouths we have for everything that we think that
is not Christo centric. We are always looking either for a loopole or
an easy practical method to get self fulfilled. We are so tied to
selfishness that in order for us to get any sense of the truth we must
think Gods thoughts after Him. Or first inclination is to protect
ourselves. We fear the wrong things , believe ideas that are close to
scripture and come in the most easy way, and always look to man as the
ultimate solution for our problems. This is so interwoven in our nature
that we create illusions by imaginging God to be someone who He is not.
We truely are little god makers.
Unless we go to God with all of
our illusions, with all of our sins, with all of our problems with men,
and with our most painful sore of soul and lay it out to Him in prayer,
meditating on the word, and being full of the Holy Spirit , we will only
hit the surface of our sin. Gods design in the light of His word is to
dig deep into our souls. Our design in our own light is to placate our
pains with illusions. Gods truth peirces our hearts and not only points
out the problems but His truth shows us the methods and links to why we
have the problem and the only solution to redeem or renew the heart and
dull and destroy the pain. His light directs our paths, guiding us into
thats rite intoall
truth. His light goes deep into our souls shining the light of the
gospel into our most deepest pain. His light drives out the stink and
replaces that stink with a sweet aroma that comes from our most inward
parts. That aroma is the sweetness of our prayers. In that aroma He is
pleased to give us a peace, joy, love that is beyond the natural realm.
Unless we live in His light we will only experience the absence of that
glory that is caused by our own law rather than being on the path of
truth that He guides us into.
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on: November 18, 2006, 04:25:18 PM
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Shalom, all.
Look,
I'm not just talking through my hat here. "Blasphemy" is an English
TRANSLITERATION of the Greek word "blasphemos," and "to blaspheme" is an
English TRANSLITERATION of the Greek word "blasphemia."
Hey, after
the way that the discussion has been going here, the way that sites
cited from Our Daily Bread, GotQuestions.org, and John MacArthur Jr.
have rendered the word, and the way that Strong's Concordance defines
the words, it's NO WONDER that there's confusion!
Strong's
Concordance defines "blasphemia" as "vilification" and "blasphemos" as
"scurrilous, calumnious, or impious." Who talks like that anymore?!
Webster's New World Dictionary defines "vilify" as "to use abusive
language about or of; defame" and "scurrilous" as "vulgarly abusive,"
"calumniate" as "to slander," and "impious" as "not pious; specifically,
lacking reverence for God." From its Greek parts, "blepto" and "pheme,"
it means "to hurt (one's) fame." "Vulgarly," by the way, does NOT mean
"to use vulgar language"; it means "to treat in a common way."
Today, we would simply say "to put someone down" or "to dis someone." The word means "TO BELITTLE someone!"
Retrobyter
It
cannot possibly mean that speaking a word against the Holy Spirit is
the blasphemy. The whole focus of sin is not on the words but on what
comes from the heart of man. There is no intermediate power in the
finite realm that can change the heart of man than Christ who is the
only mediator between God and man. He alone decrees salvation. The
mouth of man cannot effect any regenerational change . Forgiveness is
not earned by the process of renewal as if man can act in an
intermediate role. Only Christ can forgive and it is free and there is
no earning that kind of gracious peace. Make renewal the means of
forgiveness and then you will only feed the pride of man. Make renewal a
prerequisite of forgiveness and you will end in glorifying man. Christ
alone gets all the glory.
So is the Spirit who moves where He
pleases as the wind blows. He causes life. He is only in the I-Thou
deminision and any other intermediate processes degenerates into the
I-It demension. Thus we loose supernaturalism. When healing has renewal
as its object then grace becomes no more grace. Mans tounge is corrupted
from the corruption of his entire being. The words of mans mouth are
corrupted. The heart of man is in the process of death and his words are
corrupted with the death in them, all his words! THe only renewal power
is what Christ has done and the promises the Spirit reveals to us in
our resting in Christ. To blastfeme the Holy SPirit is only in unbelief
since faith is given by grace man is responsible because of his
identification with Adam. If blastfeming the Holy Spirit were any other
way then we would all think that we deserved salvation more than the
next guy. What kind of pride would that be?
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Forums / Theology Forum / Baptism By/of Holy Spirit: Same Or Not?
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on: November 17, 2006, 07:58:44 PM
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Gene, That
has pretty much been my understanding as well. I have expressed it that
although you are baprtized by the Holy Spirit once, there can be many
fillings of the Spirit. I have heard that in the original the verse in
Ephesians where it says "Be no drunk with wine, but be filled with the
Spirit" can be translated "keep on being filled with the Spirit". Tom/mBG
brings up an excellent point in the need for Spirit-led worship and
leadership in our local churches. Tom, what about Martin-Loyd Jones and
his teaching on the ministry of the Holy Spirit in the believer's life. I
understand that his ministry was dedicated to seeking true revival and
renewal among God's people. Did he ever experience this in the church
that he pastored?
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on: November 15, 2006, 07:47:48 PM
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Ive
been thinking for a long time that there is really something wrong with
the focus on the modern day worship wars and this obsession with the
apoligea in this whole paradigm of the educated machinary creating a
culture of intellectualism that stales the motives and the vision in
that paradigm of the new generation of leadership in the church. Because
there is a systematized intergration in church leadership there is an
intellectual atmosphere that poisons the individual stages of dicipling
new leaders. If we compare the effects of an over intellectual view of
worship in the historical setting we will find that our tempature of
spiritual worship has declined from the times of our puritian fathers.So
instead of appoligeting the worship wars maybe its time to appoligete
the the process with the comparison paradigm of the very beginnings of
the nt church in the book of acts.
First i speak only of the
reformed movement since this is an intellectural movement first. In that
element there are always going to be the temptation to make the worship
appoligetic man centered by an over focus on the worship war paradigm
brought on by being influenced by the school atmosphere rather than the
early church paradigm of spiritual filled worship, calling by the Holy
Spirit, and focusing on the gifts in a more pre historic way rather than
a class room way.
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on: November 14, 2006, 02:27:19 PM
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Hi
Sean, I have been struggling too. Mostly because physically i have been
growing old. There really is no two persons alike. Some of us free grace
people dont like the really serious meditators, its so easy to think
that Gods grace is the same as everyone having the same like and
dislikes and expressing them all in the same mold. But there are no
molds for christians. We all are gifted differently and we all have
different desires.If you have been really in a high part of your
spiritual experience and then you loose that gusto then you are
frustrated. I can understand that myself. I hear you. I will not pass
just pass it off to grace. There is room in here for you expressing your
frustration and encouraging yourself to get back to that first love. We
are always going after the flame and that is a good thing. Some of us
just want to sit back and do nothing. But just keep doing good and going
to prayer and the scripture day and night. Scripture is the answer as i
have found. It will save you from alot of the molds.
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on: November 09, 2006, 07:54:19 PM
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You
make some very good points. I mean there are fears that all of us
struggle with that are an enemy of faith. Fears that keep us feeling
burdened and not trusting and resting in Christ. We carry around in our
bodies, our mind will and emotion so much corruption that some times we
battle to the point of physical exaustion. Some times we resign to
being afraid. The attitude of resignation is somewhat like those of the
paradigm of resting but without a real sense of being comforted in the
midst of fear. There is a sense in which being afraid blurrs how we view
faith and grace. When we give so much of our time to fear and worry we
really are not replacing positive thoughts for negative ones but we are
experiencing an emptiness , a vacum of lifelessness, and a heavey weight
of tension that puts us in its grip. Our minds are confused and the
object of our desires who is Christ and that sweet light that we
experience in a good respectful way , we begin to spiral down into
emptiness. Our countenance becomes gloomy and we feel sense a lack of
control over ourselves.
This becomes a mood that we spend alot of time battling.
This
syndrome is cause by many things. But really if we feel as if God has
withdrawn from us and we sense that we are being dragged down by fear
then we are usually reading the true state of our souls and really we
are susceptible to this mood being in this world and having sin in us.
Some times sin has such a grip on our minds that we really get intense
in our struggle. Some times in our lives we experience the negative
effects of sin and we are convinced that sin can make us change in a
drastic way. And unless we struggle with the effects of sin we will
never know if we have genuine faith. Our faith needs to be tested. We
need to be able to be downtroddened and under the weight of the effects
of sin in order to be able to experience a supernatural confidence
because that kind of faith in fear is beyond our ability to pull off.
And so that confidence is not something that just overtakes us when we
are afraid but we must fight a battle with our minds. The point is not
that we will over come by our battling, or not that we are able to get
past the mood of fear by ourselves. But that we are going to experience
the powerlessness of that battle and in experiencing the powerlessness
we are going to know intimately His grace. By experience! We are there
under the spell of fear and then we are there acknowleging our
powerlessness to get through that battle in our own strength. In that
battle we are not using our own methods , or positive thoughts , but we
are going through a process of learning Gods awsome strength. By praying
to Him and telling Him that these fears are too strong for us , we then
rejoice in His strength, we begin to gain a sense of His presence in
our being under the spell of fear. We must wait on Him to grant us
freedom in His time. We can get help from others, but we must not be
absolutely dependent on man. We must begin to work out these struggles
in prayer and begin to develope a relationship with our Father totally
untrusting of any man.
When we put our trust in man we are going to
be disappointed. We are going to teach ourselves to trust in something
that is fleeting. Even princes , rulers are going to pass away and the
next day they will have no power. The only power source is God. The only
deliverer is God. The only one of whom we have to answer in our most
deepest destresses is God. God alone is who we take refuge in. Most men
will try to give us a false hope. Remember that a person hopes in only
one Person as its object to be a hope that will get through the trials
of life. All other hopes are finite. The source we need is infinite. It
is in prayer that we fix our hope on His grace. It is in prayer that He
becomes our victory. Once we taste of coming out of a destress of soul
where He reveals Himself to us in the misdst of the darkness of the
trial of our souls and He grants us strength to get through the next
day, then at some point He will speak and we will be delivered from that
trial. Because He can speak into existence every thing that we are
faced with, an He can cause us to go into the deepest sea of doubt, and
He can command by the word of His testimony that we will be baptized
with an extra portion of His grace. He can in an instant change our
lives by that word. Here is where trials of destress focus on. We wait
like watchmen in the night for Him to speak. We hope for a sign of His
goodness in the morning. We order our request and wait in expectation.
Once we hear Him speaking peace to our souls we know that voice, we know
it is a part of why we have been so distressed.
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on: November 06, 2006, 03:07:39 PM
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There
is no doubt that we have all we need for life and godliness. We have
been given all of the riches and honor in Christ. But yet not fully
since we still are in a state of imperfection. We will recieve the full
inheritance of the earth in the second Coming.We still have not received
our portion fully.
Yet there are also two parts to this paradigm.
Although we have recieve all we need for life and Godliness yet we must
apply it by faith. And so there is a daily struggle to apprehend this.
Because of sin we are always in a battle to really comprehend all that
we have.
This also is closely related to our new desires in our new
life. As well as an intellectual and faith paradigm in this apprehending
there is also a mystical aspect in our understanding what we have.
There is a Spiritual experience in this where our spirits witness that
we are the sons of God. It is a part of our regeneration and the curse
of the earth and our corruption of soul that we are experiencing renewal
in a revival way. We are being renewed daily, and in being renewed we
are experiencing the Holy Spirits work in that experience. Assurance is
sometimes an extemely high experience. Our make up is such that we are
encourage to seek an extra portion of our salvation. We are encouraged
as believers to pray for the Spirit, command our Lord as the captain of
our salvation. What kind of prayer is it when we sound like people who
just believe we are recieving the promise without any desperation,
without any longing in our prayers, without any deep experiencial
pleadings? We are like beggars , seeking for the a drink of the Spirit
and that river to flow out of our inmost being!
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Forums / Main Forum / Can Cristians Sin?
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on: November 03, 2006, 03:21:14 PM
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Gene
we have discussed perfectionism in another thread. If we were not
effected by sin then we would not be in the death process. We would not
suffer desease. Although personally commiting sin is really important
yet the cause of sinning is not effected in the active sin. The cause of
sinning is sin itself. There is a cause and effect relationship. In
other words the cause is sin in us, and the effect is the action of
sinning. We sin because we are sinners by birth. Sin has been imputed by
God because of Adams rebellion to the whole human race. In the
imputation the blame is on us as well as on Adam since we are seen in
Adam doing the same sin Adam did. In other words we are sin as sinning
in Adam. But we have a time after our birth were we commit our first sin
knowingly. And that is also the reason that we are sinners by cause.
Christ
had no personal sin yet he was effected in His humanity by the fall of
adam in which He suffered. Christ never died apart from His own will to
die. He suffered the punishment of our sin in its fullness. Christ never
commited sin because He had no sin. He was perfectly trusting of His
Father and perfectly doing the will of God.
We are saints because
we have died to sin. When we died to sin we experienced definitive
sanctification. We were totally sanctified. A dead man cannot live to
sin. We are dead to sin. That is the reality of our lives. But our
original definitive sanctifaction had nothing to do with our willing or
our own abilities.We were totally passive in being sanctified. In order
for us to be able to have access to the Father we were made holy. It was
through the Sons work on our behalf and for the Fathers glory that we
can be in the relationship with the Father. Christ prayed on behalf of
all of His own pryor to the cross that we would be sanctified. His
prayers were all answered. Because our sancification was by grace. It
was accomplished by a work outside of ourselves and for the purpose of
bringing glory to God. Christ paid for sin fully at the cross for all
time for all those who believe, even the sin of unbelief was taken care
of at the cross. It was transacted to us in time. It was purposed to be
transacted to us before time in the God head. That purpose was
accomplished by the death of Christ and that purpose was delievered in
time in our salvation. But Christ accomplish the finished work of
sanctification at the cross. So we stand as completely holy by a
declaration of the righteousness of Christ imputed to our account. We
now have open access to our Father because our past present and future
sins have been taken care of by Christ for all eternity. When we are
regenerated we are given faith so that we are able to trust in His
righteousness alone as our only means of acceptance to the Father. It
was a work done on our behalf and is totally dependent on God.
But we
as saints still struggle with sin even tho sin has no more dominian
over us. We still have the smell of sin even tho the contents of sin
have been removed. We still give into sin, we still have a divided heart
at the point of our will. Since we are holy we now want to please God
and do His law, but sin calls us to disobey. We want to but we never
accomplish what we really want to do. The evidence of being holy is
having this intense struggle.
Here is how it works practically. Once
we are aware of our position in Christ we are very confident in our
salvation. We are assured of our position so that we know how we are to
live and we know ourselves really well. Now we live in the light of His
grace because we know that all the confidence we have and all the
assurance we experience is because of grace given to us in our original
sanctification. We look at our sin now and we are fully aware of its
effects in us so that we are convinced that we could not live a moment
in fellowship with Him outside of the relationship we were put in at
salvation by grace. We are confident in the most trying circumstances
because we know that He has taken care of our sin and we are have access
to Him no matter what. We know that He will forgive us based apoun His
work and not our work. We are confident that we can have a steady peace
because we live in the light of His smile and not in the light of our
sin.
Being aware of our sanctification we will begin to delight
in Him. In our continued sanctification we are not building a different
life through principles or commands, but we are going through a repeated
process of forgiveness, and renewal by focusing on His work on our
behalf. It is not a moral code or seperate principles that are learned,
but it is a repetition of a focus on Him that we become sanctified. It
is the same remedy over and over and over. It is not a group realization
method, it is not a healing through human effort, it is not receiving
healing based apoun our ability to practice a principle , it is not a
healing through doing a step by step set of principles, it is not a
ladder toward sanctification, there are no gurus with secret answers or
methods to gain healing or renewal. Renewal of the Holy Spirit has only
one methodology, one focus, one place to go, it is going over and over
and over to the cross, to Christ in prayer, going before our Father in
prayer, and repeatedly placing all of our selves on Christ work.
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on: November 02, 2006, 05:22:15 AM
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You know why there is disaster DD. Its because
sin entered the world and man lost his delagated authority over
creation. He fell from his original position. Now God is has taken
absolute control of the universe. Because of sin the whole order of the
universe has changed. Now snakes bite, animals kill, and there is
shedding of blood. Now instead of mans relationship with the created
order being at peace and man being crowned with glory and honor and
having authority over creation, that relationship is one of hardship and
danger.
And yet God has provided a way for the reversal of that
original fall. He has done it through His Son who earned the rite to
have complete dominion, and possession of all creation, by coming to
earth and being obedient to all of the law , dying a death on the cross
for sin, and conquering death by rising again. Now we who belong to
Christ are saved from danger. In Him is absolute rescue. Now when
disaster occurs it is working for the good of all of those who love Him.
Now disaster is brought on to rescue His own and nothing can keep us
from Him and being with Him. In fact death is victory because we go to
be with Him.
But with those who do not trust in Christ , disaster
comes suddenly and brings about a terror that makes any earthly pain
look non existent. You should have great fear of disaster if you do not
know Christ. You do not understand what is going to happen. I say this
with much trembling myself. But pain from disaster is just a small
warning as to how the pain in eternity will be. God will make the pain
equal the crime, and it will be felt by all who are judged for their sin
for eternity. Personal pain of the entire man ,both spritually and
physically. It will be pain that will never end. Now is the day for
turning to Christ. Eternal disaster will come suddenly!
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on: October 30, 2006, 03:35:43 AM
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have not read the Yancey book but there are a few things here that maybe
came to my mind as i read your post. God made a covenant with Abraham
that He would have a covenant community whose number would be like the
stars in the sky. His promise was made by a sacrifice in which the
animal was cut in two and God walked inbetween the the animal showing
that it was Him alone that would complete the action of the covenant to
His people. He is always faithful, His loving kindness is forever that
is He is full of love, and He never makes a mistake. The remnant always
walked in the covenant love of God and not in the obedience to the law.
Even tho it was diffucult because of all of the sacrifices going on.
There
was a demand for obedience to the covenant. The demand came through the
law, that was given by Moses after the covenant had been made. The law
as absolute, and breaking the law would bring about a curse on the
people. Moses was the spokes man for the people before God. The people
made an agreed to obey the law fully. But because of sin, the Isrealites
could not meet the requirements of the law, so God provided a
sacrifice. But their hope was never through the law. It was always
through the promises in the covenant. In order for the requirements for
the isrealites to obey they needed the sacrifice to atone for their
sins. God required daily sacrifices for sin. The blood was always
flowing. There was no way that they could meet the requirements of the
law but Gods covenant promises were always met! And through grace He
made a way for the Israelites to meet the requirements of the law. He
provided a sacrifice.
They no longer had to fear God in the pagan
way. In the covenant they had access to God through offering a sacrifice
to atone for their sins. Yet there was only a remnant of the faithful
in that judicial church out of all of the nation of israel who setting
up idols.
The faithful were kept by the faithfulness of God in
covenant. Now we have a better covenant. God promised to take the heart
of stone out of us and put a new heart by His Spirit and He would cause
us to walk in His ways. He sent Christ to be the fulfillment of the law,
and He sent His Spirit on the new Church. He opened the access to the
Father because of His sacrifice was once for all. We now are made new
creatures and we can walk in a way that is new, thru doctrinal
instruction, thru doxology or praise, we can obey. It is a much better
covenant.
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on: October 27, 2006, 03:36:33 PM
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I
believe that in the heart of man is the desire for selfish attention and
getting that attention by conforming to the traditions of man and by
communicating according to the group mentality. I have experienced this
here at key life. There are very few calvinist on this forum. We have a
mystic, a woman pastor, about as many free will people as the percentage
in our society, then there are a few of us calvinst here who are
treated like a step sister.
The truth is that i am myself within the
walls of the church as i am here a non conformist. I was not always
that way. It is hard for me to state exactly what i think for those in
my presence as aposed to being on this forum and being able to not
physically see the reaction of a person it becomes much easier to write
without the fear of reprisal of offending someone or seeing their faces
as a result of what i am saying.
Whether we like it or not we are in
a sense a product of our enviroment. Which scares the bagebers out of
me. Since we are in such a sad state spiritually in this american
culture it really affects each one of us. And then it depends apoun how
lazy we are mentally as to how much of the peer pressure will effect
each one of us.
We have so many sub-spiritual cultures that we move
in an out of in a day. There are those who focus on behaviour, the
counselors who broadcast their form of christianity as mostly changing
behavior that is anti social in a rather narrow communicative form,
limiting the form so that we can change a certian behaviour, with the
purpose of it working an that person is healed of that wrong behavior.
The counselor acts as a preist of behaviour in which secrets are brought
out in a confessional and then the problem is exposed and the person is
supposed to change. But after 7 yrs of the same communicative structure
it does get old after awhile so that the person becomes more concerned
with behavioural change than growing in the purpose of God and becoming
more into the image of Christ by the modes of biblical talk. What comes
out of the mouth is what is in the heart. That speech is the evidence
that the focus is on behaviour and not on eternal existent forms of
speech. So this is one culture.
But each one of us are prone to
vasalate inbetween the 6 verse mentality and our group acceptance. When
you peer into our thought life you will find a peer mentality. Its hard
for us to get ourselves into a disposition where we expose error, by
identifying it and knowing exactly why the certian teaching is false in
the big scope of things and not being afraid to bring it out in our
communication with our culture.
We are not very good disentors
in the church areana. For one we do not passionatly believe truths and
so we do not feel the erge to expose false hood when we know we have
come across it. It becomes very lonely and very depressing to be a
discentor in todays christian culture. It begins to become extremely
painful for all the thinkers in the group. Then with the eternal nature
of all truth and a mind set to think that way in a culture that thinks
in terms of behaviour and practical advice aimed at changing that
behaviour there is not much room for a descenting over the way we go
about a certian behaviour or the way we communicate a certian system.
We
really are more and more coming to a cross roads as to how we are going
to think. The lines in our christian culture are becoming more defined,
the anti thinkers are winning the day. The word of God is the standard
not only for behaviour but for the way a person thinks and how much a
person thinks about the spiritual, and how a person talks about the
spiritual. The word is not only the means for rite thinking but it is
the mold of rite thinking. The word is eternal, not only speaks in an
advisory way but it is the teacher who changes behaviour by its working
in the willing. The word not only devotes the devotee, but it transforms
the emotion by speaking it and hearing it. There is a real drop off for
a person who goes to the word and experiences the answers it produces
in the heart and the modernity of practical modes of speech that change
behaviour. There is a real peer pressure disposition of the frog in the
hot skillet, that only the word can not only change the mind but work on
the peer pressure dispositon to change a persons view of modern day
christianity.
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The verse from romans says
that we are to give the message. But the saving is strickly Gods. We
have nothing to do with a persons salvation. We could get the message as
clear it could possibly be and still not know if a person is truely
saved. Just because a person says a prayer does not mean they are saved.
Any one can pray a prayer. People have that kind of response all of the
time.If you look at the verses about it not only says confess with the
mouth but believe in the heart. Believe in the heart is the focus of the
passage. Confess with the mouth is only taking the bear word of God and
agreeing about what it says. I can tell you that the bible says Christ
died for your sins and if you say these words in a prayer in response to
my words you will be saved that is not what the passage is saying. A
person must display some kind of sorrow, some kind of remorse for sin.
It must pass through the whole person. From the heart. A real deep
sorrow, followed by a rejoicing! There must be a self expamination. The
best thing to do is to tell the person they are a sinner and to go home
and think about that. To go home and consider the kind of offense that
is to sin against a holy God. If a person is willing to wait and think
about it , that is more of a sign of a true conversion than a last
minute prayer. Believe in the heart.
Of course there is more guilt
experienced by a person who thinks that it is the message that is the
important part of a person coming to Christ. Then you would come to the
conclusion that we are responsible for people ending up in hell. But
there is no guilt so there is more of a passion to tell others if you
have no pressure to say the wrong thing because God does all the saving
from begining to end. He spoke through a donkey in the ot. He does not
need man to get the message out. People will be responsible to go to
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God's Grace and Mercy
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on: October 26, 2006, 05:19:05 AM
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When
you say that they would get a second chance then you are really saying
that God is not powerful enough to save them in all of their years on
earth. Its as if all those in hell would be going their own ability to
either accept or reject the gospel. So that God is saying to them\" I
tried but you wouldnt listen, im sorry i just wasnt strong enough.\"
\"All the rest who are in heaven were able to listened and choose me\".
Then us who are in heaven were responsible for our being their by our
choice.
Yet the only reason we will be in heaven is because of Gods
grace. We all sinned in adam and died a spiritual death. Dead men cannot
respond to the gospel. It was by His grace through the Holy SPirit that
we understood the gospel. It was by His grace that we were enabled to
lay hold of Christ. We were not born with the will to be able to
believe. He gave us a new will. We deserve the same punishment but God
graciously gave us eternal life.
Man is responsible because man is
in Adam, but God did not make a mistake. God chose some for perdition.
\"Is His arm to weak that He cannot save?\"
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