Calvin was excommunicated so he had to fabricate and hide many things,
to start his own church. Cavlin had no authority and was very angry and
full of hatred for the Catholic Church and was sifted like wheat by the
devil.
There is in the Hebrew Greek and Latin two words for the
word "you" that we don`t have in english , one 'you' is plural eg. 'you
people' and the other 'you' is singular eg.'you Peter'.
" Simon ,Simon, listen! Satan has demanded to sift all of you (plural) like wheat , but I have prayed for you (singular) that your own faith may not fail; and you (singular), when once you (singular) have turned back, strengthen your bretheren"
This is where you see the infallible office!
So anyone not unitied to the Office of Peter is sifted like wheat!
\"For
Calvin, the need for the Reformation was fundamentally this: Rome had
\"destroyed the glory of Christ in many ways — by calling upon the
saints to intercede, when Jesus Christ is the one mediator between God
and man; by adoring the Blessed Virgin, when Christ alone shall be
adored; by offering a continual sacrifice in the Mass, when the
sacrifice of Christ upon the Cross is complete and sufficient\" (see
note 9), by elevating tradition to the level of Scripture and even
making the word of Christ dependent for its authority on the word of man
(see note 10). Calvin asks, in his Commentary on Colossians, \"How
comes it that we are 'carried about with so many strange doctrines'
(Hebrews 13:9)?\" And he answers, \"Because the excellence of Christ is
not perceived by us\" (see note 11). In other words, the great guardian
of Biblical orthodoxy throughout the centuries is a passion for the
glory and the excellency of God in Christ. Where the center shifts from
God, everything begins to shift everywhere. Which does not bode well for
doctrinal faithfulness in our own non-God-centered day.\" John Piper
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on: January 24, 2007, 11:36:15 AM
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MBG you say:
"Wouldnt
you call Christ relationship with the Father , personal? You know in
Christ we have an intense personal relationship with our heavenly
Father?" Look at Jn. 17
"I and the Father are one" , the Greek word 'one' is 'hen' which means 'one being'.
MBG
you have recieved the Gospel and Jesus loves you for it, now all you
must do is eat His Flesh and drink His Blood and you will have eternal
life and He will raise you up on the last day.
jn
17 is explaining the eternal Sonship of Christ. The Trinity is one in
essence and 3 in persons. As persons each person in the trinity has a
seperate identy, a seperate self, in which each person has a
consciousness , a pleasure in the glorification of each person recieving
glory , and each person in oneness giving and recieving love. The
Father loves the Son, the Son loves the Father, the Holy Spirit brings
glory to the Father and the Son. They are giving love and recieving love
in the trinitarian oneness.
This post smells of the i -it syndrome.
You seem to be saying the the bread and the wine are equal to the , or
entrance into Christ. I am aware that you can be decieved and yet have
saving faith. So dont take this the wrong way.
Every thing we believe
has consequences. There really is no christian understanding of love
until there is an understanding of who Christ is. We are to worship
Christ with all of our minds. We are not pragmitist, that is there is no
disconnection with how we think of Christ and how we act in a practical
way. We are always under the obligation to think correctly even tho we
have an understanding by a cause outside of our natural thinking
abilities as truths evolve as we begin to understand spiritual truths by
the scripture and by the Holy Spirit. Unless we are having our minds
transformed with propositional truth and the Spirits application to our
understanding then we are decieved in our veiws of the process of
worshipiing God in the way He desires us to worship.
The trinitarian
love is that the Father is in the Son, The Son is in the Father and we
are in the Son and share in the oneness of the Father and the Son in a
spiritual way. We are Sons by adoption not by transubstanition.
Believing that we are somehow taking the bread as the body of Christ is
just flat out idolatry. The christian being in Christ knows the voice of
the Father and that voice is the only voice that seperates the truth of
the proposition of scripture with idolatrous thinking. We learn to hate
idols because they stand in the way of our relationship with Christ by
not thinking correctly. It is much better to know the truth and not be
able to keep it, than to not know the truth and be decieved into
thinking that we are not idolatrous. These propositions from scripture
affect the desires of our hearts before we even are able to make the
choices in a practical way. The more we are decieved in our minds the
more we will be dominate by our imagination and not by the spiritual
understanding of the Holy Spirit. Our desires will be directly effected
by this lack of knowlege and we will in some way be carnally minded.
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Forums / Theology Forum / Question
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on: January 24, 2007, 05:49:30 AM
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Hi.
Heres
a question: Someone claims to be a Christian maybe four years into the
faith, doesn't know every thing yet (no one does even after 40 years)
but has an understanding of doctrines but shows no real spiritual growth
or love of Christ to fellow believers, never forgives or forgets the
slightest offence committed against them and shows no genuine knowledge
of the bible, would you consider such a one as that a true Christian?
I
know of a person on line who is just like that. she is mean spirited,
hateful and unforgiving and unmerciful and yet claims to have a deep
understanding of doctrine and makes her boast that she is a Calvinist. I
have nothing against Calvinist but John Calvin did not die on the cross
for my sins, Jesus did. This person makes her boast in the fact she is
well read and knows Calvinistic theology, but she is cold hearted and
just plain nasty. Is it possible she was never truly saved? All her
Calvinistic friends defend her ungodly actions by saying that she's
still a babe in Christ (four years now and she's still in diapers) and
the excuse the awful things she does. Any ideas?
Thanks.
It sounds like you have been around her and not just having discussions on line? If so maybe you need to talk to her.
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Forums / Politics Forum / Bush Approval Falls To New Low
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on: January 24, 2007, 04:49:47 AM
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>>By Rush Limbaugh:
>>
>>I think the vast differences in compensation between victims of the
>>September 11 casualty and those who die serving our country in
Uniform
>>are profound. No one is really talking about it either, because you
just
>>don't criticize anything having to do with September 11. Well, I
can't
>>let the numbers pass by because it says something really disturbing
>>about the entitlement mentality of this country. If you lost a family
>>member in the September 11 attack, you're going to get an average of
>>$1,185,000. The range is a minimum guarantee of $250,000, all the way
up
>>to $4.7 million.
>>If you are a surviving family member of an American soldier killed in
>>action, the first check you get is a $6,000 direct death benefit,
half
>>of which is taxable.
>>
>>Next, you get $1,750 for burial costs. If you are the surviving
spouse,
>>you get $833 a month until you remarry. And there's a payment of $211
>>per month for each child under 18. When the child hits 18, those
>>payments come to a screeching halt.
>>
>>Keep in mind that some of the people who are getting an average of
>>$1.185 million up to $4.7 milli on are complaining that it's not
enough
>>Their deaths were tragic, but for most, they were simply in the wrong
>>place at the wrong time. Soldiers put themselves in harms way FOR ALL
OF
>>US, and they and their families know the dangers.
>>
>>We also learned over the weekend that some of the victims from the
>>Oklahoma City bombing have started an organization asking for the
same
>>deal that the September 11 families are getting. In addition to that,
>>some of the families of those bombed in the embassies are now asking
for
>>compensation a s well.
>>
>>You see where this is going, don't you? Folks, this is part and
parcel
>>of over 50 years of entitlement politics in this country. It's just
>>really sad. Every time a pay raise comes up for the military, they
>>usually receive next to nothing of a raise. Now the green machine is
in
>>combat in the Middle East while their families have to survive on
food
>>stamps and live in low-rent housing Make sense?
>>
>>However, our own US Congress voted themselves a raise. Many of you
don't
>>know that they only have to be in Congress one time to receive a
pension
>>that is more than $15,000 per month. And most are now equal to being
>>millionaires plus. They do not receive Social Security on retirement
>>because they didn't have to pay into the system. If some of the
>>military people stay in for 20 years and get out as an E-7, they may
>>receive a pension of $1,000 per month, and the very people who placed
>>them in harm's way receives a pension of $15,000 per month.
>>
>>I would like to see our elected officials pick up a weapon and join
>>ranks before they start cutting out benefits and lowering pay for our
>>sons and daughters who are now
>>
>>fighting.
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Forums / Main Forum / Self Control Vs Gods In Control ...
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on: January 23, 2007, 04:29:13 PM
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God
is our refuge, that is we are in a relationship with Him.When we say
refuge we are talking about a spiritual oneness that we share in the our
being in Christ in the Trinity. We are fully safe in this relationship.
We are prone to think that when trouble comes there is something in us
that has caused the trouble and there is something in us that causes our
relationship with Him to change. We are prone to think that because we
are in terrible straits because of our circumstances or because of our
sin that our relationship changes. But because we are not the cause our
our being in Him in the relationship that we share with our Father in a
trinitarian closeness we therefore are surrounded by the loving smile of
our Father.
Thats why we must learn to take refuge in Him. Because we
are not the cause of our being in Him, we must think thoughts after
Him, so that we align ourselves in that kind of confidence ei He is
working every thing out without our help. Because there is such a
tension in our lives of resting in Christ, and being in the world, with
the inward struggle with the flesh, and the devil, we are easily led
astray to trust in ourselves away from this safety and peace. We must
see that taking refuge in Him and having peace in the midst of the most
sever circumstances is as real as the circumstances in our lives. To
begin to understand that kind of peace we must live in the attitude of
prayer, that God is going to rescue us and it does not matter how long
we wait or how we feel under the burden of the circumstances, we must
have one focus, that God alone will rescue us. Unless we have that deep
desire we will only increase the anxiety.
Its not the condition of
our hearts nor the action we take that will cause us to be any closer to
Christ , and change the relationship for the better. It is
understanding our need of deliverance and praying that He will deliver
in His time. God must not only have our trust that He is sovereign but
He must have the trust that our circumstances are encircled by Him so
that there is nothing new that will penetrate the circle that He has not
planned. He must be the beginning of our rescue and the end of our
rescue. He must be the lone purpose in our rescue.
Once we see that nothing will deliver us accept Him then we are learning to rest in Christ.
Unless
we have this cause and effect relationship firm in our minds we will
have very little desire to have Him listen to our prayers. It is because
we see the depth of our inability to do any thing about our
relationship to Him in the circumstances and the height of His ability
that we can have confidence in prayer. The amount of trust in Him being
immediately available to us will determine the kind of confidence we
have in seeing through faith the circumstances and the answers evolving
in our circumstances. There must be an immediate sense of His presence
in our deepest heart pain from the trial. Because we are in a
relationship with an immediate friend we must acknowledge that we are
indwelt by the triune God, with an immediate power. And His power to
deliver surpasses all the weight of any trial. It is immediate and near.
It is not only immediate and near but we are in and eternal
immediate powerful nearness. It is always available, in the worst sin,
in the worst circumstances , and in the worst pain we can experience. He
is not interested in exposing but in delivering. He is always the same
no matter what. He does not change. That refuge of power is the place we
always go to. We are only required to rest in Christ in the place of
refuge. It is not the action of the flesh that will be the place of
resting but it is the confidence we have in His power that will cause us
to be delivered. The confidence we have comes as we pray with wisdom
understanding that we are unable and He is fully able.
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