woops. above.
Thank you for clarifing that with this post. I had no idea what you were saying. 
I guess your not wanting to discuss this by not esplaining yourself.
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And (bringing it all home) *I* (and Steve Brown, and others) would say
that God does not get angry with us anymore, 'cuz all that potential
anger was poured out on Christ. That had not yet happend in the OT, so
they still had to bear God's anger when they screwed up. Was He
merciful? Absolutely. Heck, the sacrifices in Torah were a form of
mercy; when they screwed up, God told them what to do to make it right.
Did God show grace? All the time!
Ok then why did God want to "spit" them out. Notice that this is in the NT. To the Church in Laodicea 14"To the angel of the church in Laodicea write:
These are the words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the
ruler of God's creation. 15I know your deeds, that you are neither cold
nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other! 16So, because you are
lukewarm—neither hot nor cold—I am about to spit you out of my mouth. Obed
I don't want to go down any rabbit trail that some people make by
saying the church replaced Israel. I would say the church consists of
Jew, Greek, male, female and any other person who believes in The Lord.
This of course includes OT brothers and sisters. I will conceed that
that we are most "blessed" knowing how The Lord accomplished the
greatest work in history. Of course by conceeding I am not changing my
mind olny agreing with you. 
He
was saying that there is a certain declension in all churches, since
this church no longer exist. Name one institution of higher learning
that has not gone the way of heresy. Theres really only two ways in our
lives. Theres no holding patterns. God did not go away, because His love
is the same from generation to generation. We just forget from
generation to generation. And yet God by His grace always has a remnant
that carries from those orthodox institutions gone heretical. So that
His kingdom will last forever. The remnant is not secluded from judgment
of the unbelievers going from orthodoxy to heresy, and yet they are
protected without anger from God. I do not trust in my bow,, You
give us victory over our enemies... if we had forgotten the name of our
God, would not God have discovered it?... Yet for your sakes we face
death all day long... We are considered as sheep to be slaughtered.
This is the peaks and valleys of religious orthodoxy. We are being
pressed into the kingdom by this.This is what we pray, Awake Oh Lord,
why do you sleep?.. Rouse yourself.. Do not reject us forever! In the
national sense. This is not avoidance. And yet God decreed all things
to go the way of declension. Why , so that He alone would be praised,
not the towers of Babels, and so that His people would not forget , by
seeing before their eyes the judgment of the heretical abusers. Going
from Calvinist orthodoxy to semi plagenism (partial orthodoxy) to out
rite plagenism (heresy). This is why corporate prayer is so important.
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Yeah,
even after being saved we still sin...but we won't be able to
sin...happily. The Holy Spirit won't leave you alone, 'cause He loves
you and He will bring down his chastising hand if it's needed. You can
cover your sin up with all sorts of things...ya can't hide from God For
those who believe Him, it's chastisement, pruning, disciplining,
sifting, chiseling...all because He loves you! To grow you up! And for those who are not in Christ, it's punishment. But
at the same time being a sinner causes us to be happy. Since we do
choose not to obey, and this is under the sovereign plan of God to
increase our distrust in our own righteousness. Most of the misery in
this life is cause by us flirting with the idea that we are more able
than we were at the beginning of our salvation. Its really the problem
we have in being hard hearted. We can imagine that we love the Lord by
our being available for His service, and yet get all of our enjoyment
out of doing good, rather than in knowing that even if we failed that He
would love us the same. So it would be for all of us to experience
failure , so that we would know Him to be faithful.
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on: April 06, 2008, 06:02:35 PM
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The Lord is angry with sin, but He is never
angry at believers. Because He does not judge us, and if He is angry
then its not wasted emotion. The anger is what He does in relationship
to an unbeliever who experiences Gods rejection, through the law being
his schoolmaster. An unbeliever has a legal relationship to the law. So
the unbeliever experiences ongoing anger through God being at odds with
him.
A believer is in a relationship of no condemnation. And
even tho God gets angry with a believers rebellion and sin, yet the
anger was reconciled through Christ. In reconciliation we now are in a
relationship to Christ who is a go between, speaking on our behalf,
declaring in the courts of heaven and the law , that we are not guilty.
So now we all stand as go betweens and not judges with one another,
looking to pray for one another, encourage one another, and using our
spiritual gifts to be the active reconciler that we are called to be.
Now our authority is Christ and we are reconciler's for Christ. And
since Christ is our high priest, we are all high priest in this
reconciliation process on the horizontal level. But we are reconciled to
God so that He has no judgment and is satisfied in Christ. Now
leaderships authority is what a person has become to others and not what
a person can demand from others.
Who can bring any charge
against those whom God has chosen? Who is he that condemns? The answer
is no one, and why? Because we are loved by God so that no one can come
against us and separate us from this family of acceptance.
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on: April 05, 2008, 10:44:38 PM
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I'm
currently reading through Genesis and have a few questions: First, why
did Noah curse Ham for seeing him naked? Noah was the one who got drunk
and passed out naked in his tent. I know this was perceived as
shameful, but wasn't it an accident? Second, has anyone come across any
really good websites with Biblical maps? I'm trying to get some visuals
on places and haven't found any that are real good. Maybe where you can
search for a place and it will bring up an appropriate map?
He was glad to see his fathers dignity and authority reduced in being drunk and unclothed. He was excited to tell his brothers.
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Well if this world is any indication of the kind of control you think your god has over it then God help us.
Its
the difference between my having convictions and your not believing in
anything. Or maybe you hiding an addiction to drinking?
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Perfect love cast out fear. I do not know
anyone who has perfect love. So it really is a growth process in growing
in His love for us. Fear that is really dreadful and anxiety producing
if called phobia. It could be a fear of heights, something about the
body, family related, small spaces, and about anything that controls. We
need to learn to control our thought life in order to grow so that we
can have a greater sense of His love and care in our lives than our
phobias. But this is a very slow process, we learn to be content. Repression,
and avoidance are just surface problems. All of us repress and avoid
from childhood. What is required is that we roll it over to God, and in
His timing we get healed. Even children can have very profound
illuminations of who God is. And children can trust God much easier than
adults. The problem is not that children repress, but its that they are
not told that God will take care of whatever it is. But then God has
designed life to be that in our weaknesses He uses to to produce His
greatest work. So that He determines from our childhood what we are
going to struggle with so that our fight is defined by Him. So as
children when we learn that God is in absolute control, then we do not
spend our time in fear, worry and anxiety. So we learn to trust
God by how we saw our parents react to situations. If we develop a
peaceful disposition in the worse times by going to our Heavenly Father
and rolling it over to Him, then we will pass on that kind of peace to
our children. That is not avoidance. God will determine the times that
we are tested, and when we go through an encouragement that is
supernatural. The times and situations where we were going through heavy
trials are for His purpose for us to help others who will go through
the same trials. Some fear in families takes a few generations to get
past. Gods way is very slow, and it is through His sovereign rite to
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His charater does not change and if He can get mad at Solomon or Moses he can get angry with you or I.
Earl,
Youve been saying that the God of the OT is the same saving God of the
NT. Were is the sin? In the Acts account , or in Hebrews hall of faith?
If there is no sin then there is no anger. If there is no remembrance
then which God forgave? The new testamant God or the Old testament God?
The same God of the old and new is the same. What church do you go to mybiggod?
Im a calvinist. I am a member of a conservative PCA church. I am a reformed baptist in a strict sense.
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His charater does not change and if He can get mad at Solomon or Moses he can get angry with you or I. Earl,
Youve been saying that the God of the OT is the same saving God of the
NT. Were is the sin? In the Acts account , or in Hebrews hall of faith?
If there is no sin then there is no anger. If there is no remembrance
then which God forgave? The new testamant God or the Old testament God?
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on: April 05, 2008, 02:31:59 PM
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The only reason that you seem to think that
God is angry is because you accuse Him of being less that what He has
done, in regard to your acceptance with Him. The reason that you are in a
relationship with Christ is not because you can keep yourself clean. In
fact you are guilty, in yourself, not just because of the sins that you
do that are wrong, but because you have never lived up to loving Him
with all of your hearts. So if you see yourself as not needing an
advocate, then your problem isnt with your trying to figure God out by
your ongoing sin. Our problem is that we havent fully grasped the work
that Christ has accomplished so that we are in a state of ongoing peace
with God. And if you have an opening where God can be angry with His
children, then you are teaching those who are in community that it is
all rite for them at some point to treat a believer as an unbeliever. We
do not have that rite. Its either that Christ has accomplished all that
is needed to repair the relationship, or that we have a little bit to
do, so we can be in an accusative position toward our brothers in
Christ. Its just no allowed!
Throughout the world there is a
unity of Christ. Those people who we do not know, will never know, but
who belong to the family. But we think of all of our brothers as those
who are in the family of God. We may have differences in our worship,
our customs, and the way we live in family ,even having strong
differences in some doctrines. But we are never in a position together
as being in a state of condemnation. Peace is defined as Christ
receiving ALL of Gods wrath for us. That defines the world body of
Christ. Its not whether we know of someone who has done wrong to us ,and
they are in a position of condemnation. But its Gods name that all of
us are represented by. So that we submit to what God says about this
family. Our position in being a christian is being in a world body. That
is we are connected spiritually to those who only have the best regards
for us. There is no time that one of us can be in an accusing position
in this relationship to Him.
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How can I disagree with what you wrote? I
still contend that God can be angry towards a true believer and can
correct our behavior lovingly. I refuse to draw some kind of artificial
distinstion between the OT and NT like you appear to be doing. You see
God does not change no matter what you "read" into the bible. Sort of
like Jacob I loved and Essau I hated. Now that is an angry" God in the
eternal sense towards Essau. But I brought up this "question" to what
Steve gives us in his teaching in that God IS NEVER angry with His
children. You think about that. Smiley
Thank you for this
double thinking. This is what is the new truth in our society. We
surrender after we go through some program. God is angry but He loves
His children. We surrender the addiction, but we are defined by our
addictions for the rest of our lives. We love God but we define our
worship by prayerlessness, infant doctrinal teachings, and focusing on
those things we can see, but yet we worship God in Spirit, just not His
whole counsel. And now we have this kind of mindlessness. We are to
depend on God as long as it isnt personal, its got to be first the other
persons responsibility to hold us accountable. God wants the entire
truth, but not really in those alone times since we trust in a person
and a confessional rather than His divine presence everywhere. So now we
do nothing with purpose but we think in an uncertain world of group
therapy.
His anger last only a moment, but His favor last a life
time. Now this is what defines who God is in His love for us. The point
is we do not experience Him as angry but only in our guilt of what He
is like bringing Him down to our personal experience. Gods love draws us
to Himself. And He is a covenant keeping God, and yes from before time
began. God has purposed to be good by gracing us with forgiveness,
separating our sins as far as the east is from the west, so that we can
be weened from the milk of baby hood and rest in Christ alone by the
illumination of His being our rock of salvation. Which is His
salvation, granting us life for His glory, and destroying all of our
enemies by His name. We would never have fellowship with a Father who
reacts like we do to our children. We are to be a pest to heaven,
because the more we cry the more we are loved. And we are to be bold in
our approach, why? why? why? Because Christ has made us acceptable by
His love to us, past ,present and future! He is our advocate , love
advocate! He is our redeemer! Lover of our souls. Our failure to know
Him is because we go to other places to be forgiven, to be loved, to be
given things. We trust in every one else,every thing else, and even
trust in our own understanding. But God knows the thoughts of men that
they are futile. The help of man is worthless! worthless! worthless!
less than scum. If we trust in our own righteousness then we are
accursed. Go ahead an cut the whole thing off. go ahead, you who trust
in your own way. Its better to cut your arm off then trust in yourself
on the way to judgment! ouch its not for the faint of heart. If you
dont know Him as a covenant keeping God then you are the most miserable!
I am not directing this to those who are struggling with burdens that
are very deep , in a negative way, just to the healthy. Since we can
pour our hearts out to Him, and in every place and in every time. Where
is your first love? Hes rite there, in full acceptance, drawing you by
loving your soul! Wow, God, oh Lord! I greatly afflicted, teach me your
way!
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If you don't mind could you all give me your definition of anger?
I would image that we would be amazed at the responses.
1 Kings 11:9 The
LORD became ANGRY with Solomon because his heart had turned away from
the LORD, the God of Israel, who had appeared to him twice And who
was God going to kill her?.........24And it came to pass by the way in
the inn, that the LORD met him, and sought to kill him. So much for NEVER teaching God gets angry with His children.
First
of all we cant get our doctrines of salvation and sanctification from a
narrative in scripture. First because the narratives are incomplete as
to all that happen. They are written with a theological purpose. Solomon
tested God more than any other king in Isreals history including the
ones who followed after him. He lived as a christian as an idolater,
marrying foreign wives in disobedience to the law of God, as a king he
had slaves, did not pay his own people a decent wage, and led Israel
into idolatry and a divided kingdom. Yet God was good to him. And if
this is your example of Gods anger, then we all have a chance. I am just
following your argument. But God does not react to us in anger.
God is not filled with passion in this way. The narratives in the OT
are part of the story of redemption. If we were to have a view of
history with the over riding commands and promises of scripture as our
way of thinking, then we would not be tempted to introduce our systems
into the ot narratives. Today, we would say that in spite of Solomons
wisdom and knowledge we would be able to solve his sex addiction. But we
are required to see that all men are under the sovereign determinations
of God, for the purpose of working out His redemptive plan in their
weaknesses. In the doctrinal boundaries we must not read into
the scripture our philosophical bent. But in dealing with our own sin
God has determined that the only means of overcoming sin is
mortification of sin through the Spirit alone. God had determined from
eternity past , what soever was to come to pass. If God caused Solomon
to be hardened in his sin, then there is a a determination to do so, not
from reacting but from His perfect intimate foreknowledge. Solomon is
an example of living worldly and then coming of old age and being full
of grief. And that is what happens to some extent in each one of the
saints lives. Davids kingdom was to come to an end because Christ was
going to set up His kingdom, and now He is the king from the line of
David. This was Gods disciplining His child. Not in anger , but in love.
If you take the whole counsel, since i think by some of your statements
that you are leading on here, then you will find that God disciplines
His children because He loves them. IF YOU LIVE WITH YOUR MIND FOCUSED ON THE INDICATIVE THEN YOU WONT BE DECEIVED!
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Having a good self image is Gods will for us.
But we do not come to this kind of understanding through human
philosophy. Because we have lost ourselves in Christ, having abandon the
worlds perspective in what is effective in understanding of our image.
Because we have been crucified with Christ, who went down that road of
punishment and rejection from men , alone. So now our pleasure is in
Him, in our suffering as a result of the worlds view of self. When we
view our value, we view it as in Him, so that we see the value of
suffering for Him. If we were so heavenly minded that we were no earthly
good, then there would be no value in our identity with Christ in
leaving our former self image for this new creation. All of our longings
are for Him so that our desires are only worthy as the pleasure being
receive by us personally. So that the more heavenly minded we are the
more understanding of ourselves we become.
We have a completely
new identity, and in this sense we have abandoned our former self. We
have been changed to love everything about Him, so that we cannot enjoy
our old self image. Now we live without condemnation. We live in freedom
to express our deepest desires as being new and gifted to us from Him.
Instead of condemnation, we live in grace, instead of being under the
domination of sin, we are dominated with desires to please Him. And this
is a personal paradigm. If we are chosen in Him, then we have no
condemnation. So then how comes it that the philosophical cat call is so
distasteful to us? Its because God has chosen that we can rest in the
state of no condemnation. So then the cause of all of our personal
habits and personal experiences are from His determination. If we
believe in Gods determinations then we will have no problem
understanding our natural self image in Him. We come with heavenly
minded acceptance, but they come with accusations.
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Thank
you for all your replies. Obed, this was very observant of you to
catch the person I quoted. My post implied that it is OK sometimes to
be angry at our kids and likewise God CAN be angry at His children. So
to teach that God NEVER gets angry with those He saved should have been
qualified by Steve IMMHO. For example Moses ticked off The Lord and no
doubt I have also. I thought Steve was a grumpy old crumungen
that would understand this by now. (Just Kiddin) I love the ol cynic.
He is the best. Where
does it say that the Lord was ticked off? It was Moses that lost his
temper. But what does it say about Moses? Heb. 11 23. By faith
Moses, when he was born, was hidden for three months by his parents,
because they saw he was a beautiful child; and they were not afraid of
the king's edict. 24. By faith Moses, when he had grown up, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter, 25. choosing rather to endure ill-treatment with the people of God than to enjoy the passing pleasures of sin, 26. considering the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures of Egypt; for he was looking to the reward. 27. By faith he left Egypt, not fearing the wrath of the king; for he endured, as seeing Him who is unseen. 28.
By faith he kept the Passover and the sprinkling of the blood, so
that he who destroyed the firstborn would not touch them. 29. By
faith they passed through the Red Sea as though they were passing
through dry land; and the Egyptians, when they attempted it, were
drowned. So where is this anger mentioned? Its the very opposite of what you claim. Heb. 12 6. FOR THOSE WHOM THE LORD LOVES HE DISCIPLINES, AND HE SCOURGES EVERY SON WHOM HE RECEIVES." 7.
It is for discipline that you endure; God deals with you as with
sons; for what son is there whom his father does not discipline? 8. But if you are without discipline, of which all have become partakers, then you are illegitimate children and not sons. 9.
Furthermore, we had earthly fathers to discipline us, and we
respected them; shall we not much rather be subject to the Father of
spirits, and live? 10. For they disciplined us for a short time
as seemed best to them, but He disciplines us for our good, so that we
may share His holiness. 11. All discipline for the moment seems
not to be joyful, but sorrowful; yet to those who have been trained by
it, afterwards it yields the peaceful fruit of righteousness.
There is never a time when we sin and are disciplined, that we are not
accepted by God. He does not react like we do to sin in His children. He
rather accepts us warts and all. Because He has chosen to not
discipline according to our sins, but rather disciplines us in love by
taking our burdens from our weakness, and gives us the strength to go
through our discipline, encouraging us , upholding us, and causing us to
triumph in all of lifes circumstances, including our sin. He receives
us as His children, because His love never fails. He has promised to
take care of us ,as a Shepard to His sheep.No christian is exempt from
discipline . Every believer is involved in ongoing discipline. If He was
angry then we would all be illegitimate, since all of us are in a
relationship of discipline. He has already decreed what so ever comes to
pass, so that all of the circumstances in our lives are planned for our
good,even the discipline, so that we will bring Him glory. Its when we
sin the most ,is when we are forgiven the most ,so that we know that we
are loved the most. Its the exact opposite of anger! Sir, I am
speaking rite in your face. I may be angry, but its out of a sense of my
trouble about your relationship as a child of God and of where you are
in your believing. You need to seriously think about Gods grace, free
grace. Even if He got angry like you say, then if you think that you
could keep Him from being angry, then you deserve every doubt you have.
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Hello MBG,
Your stuff can absolutely bury me! Where do you get all the words? I am often humbled by the depth of your contemplation.
Thank you for elucidating!
Graham
Graham, I thank you for your encouragement. You are so encouraging in all of your post. I am just passing His word on.
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I think this is like our achilles heel in the
20th century. We have been feed a steady diet of God is dead
presuppositions that the cause and effect relationship in all of Gods
works has been covered over. The enjoyment of God is His glory and in
understanding origins is the vehicle to seeing that glory in His works
before our eyes. Now He does these spiritual effects in us, by causing
us to see that His creation is a miracle , so that we dont really use
nature for our own enjoyment, although he has given us these means, but
we see nature and then we think of His greatness, power, and His
goodness by that revelation. And it is in these things that we need in
sustaining us physically such as food that we have a natural mis
understood component in our understanding of how these needs are met.
But God has made us to think dependently. And the problem with a lack of
understanding of the cause and effect paradigm, brings about the grief
of worry for our basic needs. We are to meditate on His works day and
night, because He is eternally present in being the cause of all of
these beauties and movements of creation by the word of His mouth. And
we sense this word to us in that paradigm of His divine attributes. With
nature speaking in this way, we are not to just think of Him being the
cause of all things being held together, but it is our pleasure to glory
in these wonders. Other ideas are just from the determinism of
evolution. Danger lyes in the attitude of thoughtlessness and
unthankfulness of Gods immediate presence in creation. We are to live in
the heaven lies seeing and glorying Gods wonders in creation.
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If God could create something from nothing
then anything that already exist would not be a problem for Him to do
with. And He could throw down fire from Heaven, like He did on the
sacrifices. And yet from our view Gods determinations are what we see in
these different catastrophes. If there is a word from God, then there
is a new act of God. The old adage is it happen because He said so. And
we are all so blind to Gods immensity, so that we really do not think
that God is so close. Its all so invisible. But God has a way of making
these connections to have a physical sensation of His attributes in the
working in creation. And that is way Christ was always using the
creation to describe the spiritual reality. Wind -Spirit, Birth - new
birth, salt- witness. Etc. So that creation is a display of His glory,
not necessarily in the physical sensation to understanding that kind of
spiritual light, but in the contemplation of His power and authority by
that event. So that there is a much more nearer reality in God being
God. If we had a display of a hurricane, then we should grow nearer to
Gods immense presence. Since God communicates His glory as a
illumination of light, that transcendent nature to the understanding. If
there is a tremendous powerful disaster, then to conclude in fear would
be like having a fear of the dark but a greater degree. This would mean
there would be a lack of trust in Gods goodness in His presence to
protect us at night. So we see these different natural disasters and
then we conclude that this was not a good thing. But God is showing us
His glory by these things in creation.
I have gone through a
number of hurricanes, and these have been an awesome thing to behold.
Because God speaks in the storm as well as in a still small voice. But
God does things in nature to show what He does in the small voice. Cause
whatever God does it is from His speaking. And the power in the voice
is not always the display of power in the event. Because Gods power is
manifest as hidden, and it is more powerful than any thing in creation.
His new birth. Taking a soul from the domain of darkness and translating
it into the kingdom of His dear Son. But yet this display of these
natural events are a witness to what we do not see. And since we do not
see all of the heavenly host, the myriads of angelic beings, and the
demonic forces, and Gods powerful presence in this spiritual world, yet
we know that these events are very small on that spiritual war scale.
But
those things that we go through in a hurricane all of the awe ,
helplessness, and the physical sensations are a very real reaction to
worshiping a great God. But these sensations are developed into a
spiritual awakening in us in these storms as we meditate on Gods power,
being mixed with Gods revelation.
Its all so surreal , because ive got a lightening show in the sky going on outside rite now. I feel the glory.
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on: April 01, 2008, 07:12:05 PM
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Good points graham,The ends of Gods goodness
is only satisfied in Himself. And God is good to all men because He has
allowed them to not be punished eternally for their sin and rebellion
toward His goodness presently. They have a time to repent. And He has
given man His good word and He has left the evidence of His goodness by
placing man in the middle of His beautiful creation. But men reject Him
by worshiping those things that He created, a direct offense to His
goodness. Men are angry at God, they take His name in vain, they plot
against the helpless, they even neglect children. They are always
devising schemes against Gods plan. From the moment a person enters the
earth to his death, he defy God. But God in His anger just lets man go
His own way. God does not need to punish man in this time because man
just determines to be self destructive. In fact if God withdrew His
grace man would be absolutely the most evil creature on this planet. Man
would be driven to extreme depravity.
But one day man is going
to stand before God, in judgment. And man will answer for all of the
evil things and the hateful things that he did. When man stands in
judgment man will be in absolute agreement about his deserved
punishment. God must punish man and his evil or else He would not be
just. God is absolutely just. So that He will pour out His wrath on man.
If He did not punish man then Christ would not have been an acceptable
sacrifice. If God punished Christ for sin, and He is absolutely holy.
Then it would be the ultimate hypocrisy to withhold punishment from men
who are not in Christ.
Gods love is in His disposition to
protect His children coming to their aid in all of life. There are evil
men in this world, and God works in this world of evil to protect His
own child. He is angry in this way. He is never angry at His children,
since Christ took full anger of God on Himself. God is jealous, but His
jealousy is to protect His children. If God wanted to display His anger
then He would have cast Adam and Eve into Hell in the first sin.
But God came to rescue Adam and Eve, and He is rescuing man today. That is what He is like in His presence before men.
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