Well, I am afraid you missed my point. First, I am not shocked by the
word "damn". It just made me think of the posts about cussing etc.
Please read this carefully. There is a huge difference between being honest, admitting we have faults, sin, etc.
It
is a TOTALLY different thing to flaunt language, habits, etc, that CAN
easily be controlled and try to use it as an example of freedom in
Christ and a person's spiritual maturity.
When people sit an type a
post and use foul lanquage, even if they put in the cute ** marks so all
the letters aren't there, that is not an honest act of someone who
knows they have flaws and sin occurs.
It is a cognitive, considered decision to do something to stir things up.
If
a person has an honest problem with losing their temper, and cuss when
they do, and are honest about it, and ask for forgiveness and are trying
to win that battle with the help of Christ and the Holy Spirit, I
applaud that.
When a person sits down and types stuff just to be
different, to stir things up, that is another thing altogether. That
stuff is NOT about being honest. That is not about presenting to God the
good and bad of all that they are. Thats not about being human, and
admitting struggles. I have no problem with folks who are human and
struggle and are honest about it. My post is was and is about those who
are NOT struggling, they are doing something different.
I agree with your post except the confusion over these two vastly different aspects.
I
agree but what happens if you present the message of the gospel in a
spurious fashion. I mean isnt it more incumbant on the religious
communicators to be gracious in these little nit picky areas. You know
the Pharisees presented a spurious gospel and were outwardly righteous.
My problem with some of you is that when we present the gospel in a
Calvinist way we are considered the sh.it of the earth. I am not saying
you are a pharisee, Jeffery. I am just putting these things of
importance in order.
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Talk about a judgmental statement ... I
just want to find out what the Bible teaches, and I get called selfish
and told to "suck it up." Almost makes me want to hurl an insult back
... almost. But this is not about personal attacks, it is about
searching for the truth.I appoligize for this statement. I get sarcastic at times. Its a problem i have when i start talking. Sorry.Really? Did Jesus not ask the disciples to give up their livelihoods "on the spot?" Did they not do it?
Did Jesus not say if you try to keep your life, you'll lose it?
Did not Paul say he would "never eat meat" again - though it was perfectly fine - if it causes my brother to stumble?
Not
only is it realistic to ask someone to give up something they enjoy, I
am not sure you can be a Christian without doing that. We often must
give up a lesser good for a greater good.
And as far as personal
convictions, I do not believe it is safe to go against your own. Paul
makes it clear that we must not sear our consciences - though we can
educate them, we must not go against the convictions we have. Obviously,
there is a difference between me going against my own convictions and
me telling you not to go against my convictions - but again, that's not
what I'm doing. What you choose to do is between the Lord and you. I
just want to understand the text properly and in context.I
agree but the context that we are discussing is what you want your wife
to do. This is a personal matter, an individual conviction. Jesus is
talking about taking the original self will and replacing it with His
will. Only Jesus can do that. I am married to a women who volunteers
most of her time to helping other people with counsel on homeschooling
matters. She has a 4 yr degree in nursing. She is doing something that
gives her real pleasure. I am pleased that she is pleased. I did not get
married to have a contest in self denial. I do not demand any self
denial from her. She must give it willingly. When i give her freedom
then she responds with good will. Jesus takes care of self denial.
Giving of her time is a joy. I cannot change her will. The principle is
that what she wills is what she desires. I can discuss what my desires
are but its her choice.As far as being a doctor, where would that be in scripture? And isn't every job a ministry?The
confession states that medical feilds are considered an excuse to miss
the sabbath worship because they are involving the lives of people in
society. They get this from the scripture. I think it is the good
samaritian. There are some other verses but i cant remember them off
hand.What about all the missionaries,
preachers, leaders, in the past who have been seperated because of
either their philanthropy or there religious service? Jim Elliot, John
Wesley, Billy Graham.
Not sure exactly what you mean. Do you mean
they were not physically present with their wives all the time? Sure,
that may be true, but what does that mean?My
point is that these men sacrificed alot of time away from their
families for the kingdom. I personally have a diffucult time squaring
this with scripture but this was an unselfish act which helped alot of
people in society.I am. It's only a question of wanting more to be where God wants us to be. If it's here - great! Let's throw a party!There
is this old saying from the word of faith movement. God told me to tell
you. Well thats funny because God did not tell me the same thing. Maybe
i am judging here but the way you talk about this is like your wife has
little say in the matter. Yet you have backed off a bit in your last
response. My wife quit her nursing job when we had our first child. It
created alot of hard ships but she really didnt want to work in a
hospital. I was very legalistic back then also. Oh well God is soveriegn
and He planned these things out. I think its fine to discuss these
things. We homeschooled our child all the way through and now we have no
regrets as to his being responsible. That turned out to be a very wise
discision because she was gifted in teaching and she enjoyed it more
than the hospital.
Thanks for being honest.
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on: February 17, 2006, 04:59:33 AM
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\"Churches
have summers, like our gardens, and then all things are full; but theh
come their winters, and alas what emptyings are seen! Have we not all
seen the flood when the tide has come up far upon the beach, and have we
not all marked the ebb when every wave has seemed to fall short of that
which preceeded it?(speaking of calvinism-semiplagenism-plagenism) Such
ebb and floods there are in the history of the kingdom of Christ.One
day The kingdom of God suffereth violence and every man presses into it
at another time men seem to be ashamed of the christian faith, and they
wander off into a thousand delusions,
and the church is minished and brought low by heresy, by worldliness,
by lukewarmness, and by all sorts of evils. \"C.H.S. Feb.19 1882 Sermon
28
\"Long ago I ceased to count heads. Truth is usually in the
minority in this evil world.I have faith in the Lord Jesus for myself, a
faith burned into me as with a hot iron. I thank God what I believe I
shall believe, even if I believe it alone.\" (Speaking of the down grade
controversy) C.H.S.
\"It is a great grief to me that hitherto many
of our most honoured friends in the Baptist Union have, with strong
determination, closed their eyes to serious divergencies from truth,i doubt that their motive has been in a measure laudable, for they desired to preserve peace,and
hoped that errors, which they were forced to see, would be removed as
their friends advanced in years and knowlege. But at last even these
will, I trust, discover that the new views are not the old truth in a better dressbut
deadly errors with which we can have no fellowship, I regard full-grown
modern thought as a totally new cult, having no mor relation to
Christianity than the mist of the evening to the everlastiing hills.\"
(Defending Calvinism)C.H.S. Nov.23,1887 PIKE ,6
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on: February 16, 2006, 12:52:17 PM
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While
we are in 11 Cor.5 here is some more on Christ. 12. We are not again
commending ourselves to you but are giving you an occasion to be proud
of us, so that you will have an answer for those who take pride in
appearance and not in heart.
13. For if we are beside ourselves, it is for God; if we are of sound mind, it is for you.
14. For the love of Christ controls us, having concluded this, that one died for all, therefore all died;
15.
and He died for all, so that they who live might no longer live for
themselves, but for Him who died and rose again on their behalf.
16.
Therefore from now on we recognize no one according to the flesh; even
though we have known Christ according to the flesh, yet now we know Him
in this way no longer.
17. Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creature; the old things passed away; behold, new things have come.
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Mystery I can deal with, Sam. There are a lot of things that are mysterious to me...  (When you are entering your post in the box, look for the "Click to add emotiocons to your post" sign above the box...) But
I don't know why it's important to figure out exactly "who" God
chose... Or why it matters if we've figured Him out correctly... To
me, it's all a guess anyway, if it's a mystery... Maybe fun to wonder
about, but beyond me... (much like creation). I have had several
"close encounters" with God in my life... When I was 6, as a child I
wanted Jesus in my life... When I was 13, I was scared into believing I
didn't have Him, so I gave my life to Him again. There was an
special, unspeakable joy and peace in both of these situations (as well
as some other "special times" with the Lord). (I hate to break this off... but I've got to run... will continue tomorrow.) linda marie
Can you explain that experience Linda?
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on: February 15, 2006, 03:51:52 PM
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Luke 6 Jesus is more important than the Sabbath.
1.
Now it happened that He was passing through some grainfields on a
Sabbath; and His disciples were picking the heads of grain, rubbing them
in their hands, and eating the grain.
2. But some of the Pharisees said, \"Why do you do what is not lawful on the Sabbath?\"
5. And He was saying to them, \"The Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath.\"
6. On another Sabbath He entered the synagogue and was teaching; and there was a man there whose right hand was withered.
7.
The scribes and the Pharisees were watching Him closely to see if He
healed on the Sabbath, so that they might find reason to accuse Him.
9.
And Jesus said to them, \"I ask you, is it lawful to do good or to do
harm on the Sabbath, to save a life or to destroy it?\"
Luke 13
10. And He was teaching in one of the synagogues on the Sabbath.
14.
But the synagogue official, indignant because Jesus had healed on the
Sabbath, began saying to the crowd in response, \"There are six days in
which work should be done; so come during them and get healed, and not
on the Sabbath day.\"
15. But the Lord answered him and said, \"You
hypocrites, does not each of you on the Sabbath untie his ox or his
donkey from the stall and lead him away to water him?
16. \"And
this woman, a daughter of Abraham as she is, whom Satan has bound for
eighteen long years, should she not have been released from this bond on
the Sabbath day?\"
Luke 18 Jesus is more important than even ourselves.
4. \"For a while he was unwilling; but afterward he said to himself, `Even though I do not fear God nor respect man,
11.
\"The Pharisee stood and was praying this to himself: `God, I thank
You that I am not like other people: swindlers, unjust, adulterers, or
even like this tax collector.
14. \"I tell you, this man went to
his house justified rather than the other; for everyone who exalts
himself will be humbled, but he who humbles himself will be exalted.\"
Luke 24All of scripture points to Jesus.
15. While they were talking and discussing, Jesus Himself approached and began traveling with them.
27.
Then beginning with Moses and with all the prophets, He explained to
them the things concerning Himself in all the Scriptures.
36. While they were telling these things, He Himself stood in their midst and *said to them, \"Peace be to you.\"
Luke 14 Jesus is more important that family and relatives.
26.
\"If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother
and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own
life, he cannot be My disciple.
Luke 16 Jesus is more important than money.
14. Now the Pharisees, who were lovers of money, were listening to all these things and were scoffing at Him.
Luke 12
33.
\"Sell your possessions and give to charity; make yourselves money
belts which do not wear out, an unfailing treasure in heaven, where no
thief comes near nor moth destroys.
John 2
14. And He found in
the temple those who were selling oxen and sheep and doves, and the
money changers seated at their tables.
15. And He made a scourge of
cords, and drove them all out of the temple, with the sheep and the
oxen; and He poured out the coins of the money changers and overturned
their tables;
16. and to those who were selling the doves He said,
\"Take these things away; stop making My Father's house a place of
business.\"
Luke 12 Jesus is more important than possessions or things.
15.
Then He said to them, \"Beware, and be on your guard against every
form of greed; for not even when one has an abundance does his life
consist of his possessions.\"
33. \"Sell your possessions and give
to charity; make yourselves money belts which do not wear out, an
unfailing treasure in heaven, where no thief comes near nor moth
destroys.
44. \"Truly I say to you that he will put him in charge of all his possessions.
Luke 9 Understanding who Christ is is more important than doing any religious exercise.
18.
And it happened that while He was praying alone, the disciples were
with Him, and He questioned them, saying, \"Who do the people say that I
am?\"
29. And while He was praying, the appearance of His face became different, and His clothing became white and gleaming.
Luke 21
8.
And He said, \"See to it that you are not misled; for many will come
in My name, saying, `I am He,' and, `The time is near.' Do not go after
them.
Luke 5
24. \"But, so that you may know that the Son of
Man has authority on earth to forgive sins,\"--He said to the
paralytic--\"I say to you, get up, and pick up your stretcher and go
home.\"
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on: February 15, 2006, 03:20:30 AM
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The love in this verse is Gods love and our love to each other.
1. You must be loved by God in order for you to love other people.
2. Love and fear of eternal punishment do not mix.
3.This
problem with fear is a self inflicted delima. We must grow in our
knowlege of God so that we will be able to understand ourselves better.
4.When you understand Gods love by God loving you through people then you will love other people.
5.When
you are loved from the inside it will drive out fear from the inside.
What makes the problems go away in the inmost being is love. The deeper
Gods love goes into us the less fear will be there.
6. When we were
saved we are loved. We have all the love we need but it also is
necessary to grow in the knowlege of the love of God. If we know that
God loves us, then we will have not problems with fear of eternal
punishment. If we fear that then we will attribute to God the reason for
our fear of punishment. We will make God out to be the reason for our
fear.
7.Love is more than just a choice, it is an act with the entire
person. Some people have been saved with such an awareness of Gods love
that they are farther along than the normal means of growing in love.
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5. (p.  "Too often it's not what the leadership imposes but what the laity demands that causes the church to repel men. OK, have at it ... on point, or lost in space? The
problem is when the church functions properly it is in accordance with
the biblical mandates. The church society is concerned with doctrine and
dissenting members. There is a tension here. The first responsibility
in men who are members is to the truth no matter what. That requires
dissenting, because there cannot be proper relationships when there are
compromises to the truth in the essentials.
Then the requirements are
opposite the world system. Men go to give themselves to submit to
Christ and minister to others their gifts. It starts with the
leadership. If the leadership is not willing to open their lives ,their
all to the members then the level of that example is what other men will
be in the church. When the church functions properly the members
forget themselves and their well being for the other members. The elders
teach, the deacons take care of the needs the members use their gifts
to help other members persever. If the leadership is silent in their
function then the men will not see the importance of this spiritual
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on: February 11, 2006, 04:27:32 AM
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I
have seldom met women who want to have an intellectual discussion on
theology. Most women are not programmed this way. They think men are
lecturing them. Granted there are a few out there tho.
Garbage...
most "theologians" use that stuff to beat others over the head....
get into fights about who is right -- rather than taking the approach
that "some say this & some say that".... It's conflict most women don't like -- not "theology"... lm
Linda
when did i ever fight with you? As i recall i have not spoken harshly
to a women on this forum. And the one that i did speak harshly to was
someone of whom i did not know was a women.
I have tried to state what i believe clearly, some times i have disagreements with people.
As
i recall you and Jeffrey clashed many times on this forum. If we
disagree with you on womens roles in church leadership you get real
testy. I do not recall making a harsh statement at you. If i have i
apoligize.
I do not feel hurt by any of the disagreements that i have had on this forum site.
I
dont recall you discussing with me some doctrines, i like reading your
encouragement to others tho. I think you encouraged me this week as i
recall.
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