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8738  Forums / Theology Forum / Neither Cast Your Pearls Before Swine Gilbert Bb on: July 25, 2006, 08:02:35 PM
Then the things which are holy are appropriated exclusively to a holy people, a people whom God has cleansed, and which, we are forbidden, to call common. This sanctified people are called sheep, lambs and doves, and by many other figurative names, but they are never called dogs or swine. A dog is a very different kind of animal from a sheep or lamb; he neither divides the hoof, nor does he chew the cud, he is therefore unclean. His disposition is also very unlike that of the sheep or lamb; he is ferocious, quarrelsome, vicious, and, like the wolf, it is his nature to worry, scatter and kill the sheep. His food, or that on which the dog subsists, is not that which would feed the sheep and lambs, nor can the sheep and lambs subsist on what the dog can feed upon. The dog would starve in the richest pasture field, where the sheep would fatten, and the sheep starve if fed only on what dogs delight to feed upon. Dogs are dangerous animals, and we are admonished to beware of them. Some of them are said to be dumb dogs that cannot bark; sleepy dogs, lying down, loving slumber, and greedy dogs that can never have enough. In Revelation 22:15, they are classified with sorcerers, whoremongers, murderers, idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

The admonition of the Lord in our text then clearly means that his disciples shall not give, nor minister the gospel, or its provisions, its promises, its comforts, its ordinances, or any of its commands, to any who are thus designated dogs, or who are in nature, disposition, practice or appetite as unlike the regenerated and spiritual people of God as dogs are unlike and inimical to the sheep and lambs. The gospel is food to the saints, because it is Christ; the preaching of the gospel is preaching Christ, and it is food to the spiritual, and hence the ministers of the gospel are commissioned to feed the sheep and feed the lambs; to feed the flock of God which he hath purchased with his own blood, but charged to give not that which is holy (and the gospel and all its ordinances are holy) to dogs. Dogs have no use for holy things, they can do them no good, for they are not adapted to their nature or suited to their appetites; besides, it is a desecration of holy things to give them to dogs or to swine. It is true, that the Gospel is to be preached to every creature, to all nations, and in all the world, for a witness to all nations, but only those who have ears to hear can hear what the Spirit saith to the churches. The ministers of Christ have nothing but the Gospel to preach, and that they must preach wherever God is pleased to open a door for them to preach, and its effect will be to discriminate between the living and the dead. All who have been pricked in the heart by the life-giving power of the Spirit will gladly receive the Word, as did the quickened on the day of Pentecost, while all others will mock and reject the testimony. But what we understand as being intended by this admonition, is that we are forbidden to attempt to Christianize unregenerated men, by teaching them the letter of the Word, and applying to them the ordinances of the Gospel as a means of salvation, by Catechisms, Bible classes, Sunday Schools, etc...as though we could so improve their carnal minds as to make them acceptable to God, without being born of the Spirit.
8746  Forums / Theology Forum / Sin Vs Hypocricy on: July 23, 2006, 06:17:20 AM
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doug wrote, "I believe that as long as we are in this darn thing, it is still part of us until discarded, and we can't pretend that that part does not sin, when it does."

You're sorta missing the point that the body is not "still part of us until discarded". It isn't ... if it was, we might properly think that it's gonna make the trip Home with us, but we know better.

We are responsible ... for falling for the power of sin's temptation and allowing it to use our bodily members any ol' way it pleases, but the doing is not initiated by us.

An alternative to falling into the clutches of the POS's clutches is "Likewise count yourselves also to be truly dead to sin, but alive to God through Jesus Christ our Lord." (Romans 6:11 MKJV)

You are dead to sin ... The Message says that like this, "Sin speaks a dead language that means nothing to you" so as soon as din is presented to you, hold up the "IT IS FINISHED!" receipt proving that you are crucified with Christ ... dead, and the only Life in you doesn't speak that language.

FAITH LETS,

gene
I am having a hard time agreeing with you, Gene. What you are saying looks like gnosticism where all matter is evil and the spirit is good. The fact is that when Jesus came to earth he being human that is having a body did not make Him any lesser God than He was in eternity. When ever the scripture spoke of His body it was speaking of Him, that is Him being present and when ever the scripture spoke of His soul it was Him present. He is both 100 percent God and 100 percent man forever even having His scars present in eternity. Taking that body to heaven.

We to are body and spirit. Our 5 senses which are a part of our bodies are a very important part in glorifying God in worship. We offer our bodies as living sacrifices to Him.

Because our bodies were created by God through the normal process of birth our bodies are good intrensically. Our bodies are eternally us. When we pass from this life into eternity at the second coming our bodies will be reunited with our spirits so that we will be naturally present in heaven as it was intended from the begining. Death as a result from sin is an unatural process in which our bodies seperate from our spirit.

The real us is our body, the real us is our spirit.  
It really is a mystery as to how the body and the spirit interact. The body does have an effect apoun the spirit and the spirit has an effect apoun the body so that not to address both of these areas in human experience is just an irrational exercise of futility.The result of our sin has corrupted both body and soul. We lack the ability to function at the level we were created to function. Its not just that we do wrong but it is that we cannot possibly be sastified in our ability even in what we percieve at this level of knowlege to be the standard of satisfaction. We live in a state of constant change, confronted with constant deteration, groaning ,as a result of sin working in that change.
We are self consciously corrupted in our view so that we eye things in ourselves and around us with alot of uncertianty. Dependence on God is so interwoven with our lack as a result of this corruption so that without having that spiritual vision we are left in the dark as to this mystery of body inter acting with our spirit and the enviroment having an effect in our view. This is why we have so many problems with emotional termoil and irrational thinking. There is a sense in which all is well in our being in God, and yet at the same time that state of uncertianty of body and spirit interaction coexist in us that keeps us from being free in the absolute sense. We are tied down in sin and corruption and are longing to be freed ,absolutely. That longing is what is part of our new life and is intricatly intorwoven in the longing to be with God and meet the living God.  
8755  Forums / Theology Forum / Lords Prayer on: July 19, 2006, 10:46:02 AM
Here is a pattern of prayer that our Lord gave to us so that we could be able to order our prayers. Prayer is the antidote in the government of the church for our protection against the wiles of the devil and to live in our own estate in peace.

We start out by praising our Father for all things because He is getting glory in His working out of all things. That is the end for which He created us. And in praising Him we are gaining a profound sense of His greatness and we are sharing in the pleasure of that praise. Our desire is that His will be worked out in all of life throughout the earth. It is when His will is understood by us that we can be gaurded against the wiles of Satan and stand up against our own flesh. We long for His will to be done because we are in a battle between the world and Gods will and we represent God in that battle. The more that Gods will is worked out the more we will experience peace and joy in the Holy Ghost. When we struggle with sin and trip we still can say that our longings are to see Gods will done in our own lives and in the world. The more our desire for Gods will to be worked out the more withholding grace we will recieve and the less desire we will have to give into the flesh. This is a process to restore our joy so that we can have confidence that God will subdue our enemies and ussure in the kingdom. We can rejoice that we are still alive by Gods grace, or that we have been upheld in every situation so that the desire of His enemies has not over taken us. We know that in representing God that we cannot be depended on in oursleves to work out His will so that He give us not only the victory but the power to work out His will by forgiving us when we sinl and by keeping us safe in this world. Working out His will is our desire in the inner most being. We cry out to Him from a deep well of this desire .This is His working out His will through us and in us.

He subdues our sinful passions and continues to renew us by His grace so that we desire what is good and acceptable. We are being changed by His inward call to transformation and renewal. We hear His voice and it thunders so loud that we at times hear nothing but Christ and we are fixed on Him. In being in the paradigm we are being protected from sin and so we pray that He will continue to give us grace so that we can be gaurded in our desires so that we can glorify  Him by avoiding even the test , and if we are to be tested we pray for protection in that testing knowing that we cannnot depend on our selves to pass the test. We stumble so much in our thinking and in our flesh so that we are humbled and dependent on Him to recover from our stumbles.

He has provided a powerful incentive to be actively involved in His church seeing that He has given the keys to the kingdom to our sheperds so that we would fall and apostize if they were not praying for us protection. They are the sheperds who keep us from danger by prayer for us to be protected from testing. They together with our prayers create a sheild so that we are protect as we go through our trials. If you want a real sense of peace and comfort and hope ask for your leaderes to pray for you. In this way He is working out our best through the government of the church.

8781  Forums / Break Room / High-intensity Training, An Analogy on: July 15, 2006, 08:26:04 AM
Thanks Stan, Not only are we to have spiritual exercise in a trial but we are to practice using the means of our faith to strenghten our faith. I like the apostle analogy to a boxer as well as a runner and athlete. Here we have been redeemed, regenerated, and our initual experience is elation and joy beyond imagination. We were changed when we first came to Him, and then that experience just faded because we did not know how to battle the world the flesh and the devil. The first attack on us was on our assurance. We continued to sin and we experienced guilt again and it was like a cold icey shower on our faith.

We needed to grow in the knowlege of our faith. We needed to go through some sorrow to have our trust tested. But we are not training as if we are on our backs waiting for the action to come to us. We are using the means of faith to stroke the fires of the inward change, scripture, the sacrements, worship, fellowship. These are our weights so to speak. We participate in these activities with full focus. We try to put all our hearts into focusing on the task at hand.

When we pray , we pray as if it were a dieing prayer, when we sing as if it were the loudest we could possible sing, when we read the scripture our minds should be trained to terry awhile and meditate on it. Our energy should be so spent in the use of these means just as we leave the gym dragging on our nuckles. Its really the picture of the apostle and the runner, he strains to keep his eye on the prize. He even struggles to the point of exhaustion.

An athelete goes through the same routine in what ever sport he is training for. He does it over and over, sweating and pressing, and driving himself to be better than anyone else. He spends more time training than actually playing the game. Thats the way we should train in the 6 days leading up to the lords day. If we do our focus on Him will be strong.

When trials come its getting close to game day and we will be driven into more intense training. Game day is when we go through the trial and come out on the other side. In our trials we are more focused on Him, we must anguish to hold on to Him. The weights are almost doubled in our trials, and we are tired of training. But we must hold onto Him. We must meditate on His word even harder and longer. We must actively supress the flesh, the devil and the world. We must get our focus on Christ.

In trials we pray that He will not alow us to fall. We may stumble but he will give us grace to strain for Him. We go to him in a trial and we pour out our hurt to Him. We tarry long in prayer until He speaks peace to us. We tell Him we will not let Him go until He blesses us. We get our eyes off of the trial and onto heaven. We strain to be released from anxiety by sturring up the gifts of the Spirit. We must drag ourselvse sometimes to sturr up that gift by prayer and meditation. We feel that we are standing against the forces of hell, that we are being pursed by a million armies, but our focus is on the soveriegn Lord. Our eyes are on the sovieirgn Lord continuesly. We may not feel like He is there but we hope in His word, we hold onto His promise but we must also strain to drive the promise into our mind in our stumbling experience and work the promise until we sense His smile. We must have His smile, that is His love shed abroad in our hearts before we really know what it is to fix our eyes on our soveriegn Lord. Even in the depths of despair, His word meditated on has a holding power so that we can make it to the next day. The pain we feel and the release we get from the word are mixed in the hottest point of the trial but the desperation of our cries will overcome the pain. We are as it were pressing the weight with meditation and prayer and we are stumbling as the weight comes back down on us. We use these means to strengthen our faith just like that bench press. When we are driven to exausten and we have people around us helping us get that last rep we cry out in agony to get that last rep. Our Fathers love is the experience of Him being there to carry us to the point of exhaustion. There is a mystery of a spiritual kind in the communication between the eternal power of God and our understanding of Him speaking to the very depths of our being, beyond our abilty to cope with the pain of it and His intricate comfort so that we do not succumb and be over taken in the most entense part of the struggle. That is Him speaking to us in a most profound way. It is a faith building experience.
8781  Forums / Break Room / High-intensity Training, An Analogy on: July 15, 2006, 08:26:04 AM
Thanks Stan, Not only are we to have spiritual exercise in a trial but we are to practice using the means of our faith to strenghten our faith. I like the apostle analogy to a boxer as well as a runner and athlete. Here we have been redeemed, regenerated, and our initual experience is elation and joy beyond imagination. We were changed when we first came to Him, and then that experience just faded because we did not know how to battle the world the flesh and the devil. The first attack on us was on our assurance. We continued to sin and we experienced guilt again and it was like a cold icey shower on our faith.

We needed to grow in the knowlege of our faith. We needed to go through some sorrow to have our trust tested. But we are not training as if we are on our backs waiting for the action to come to us. We are using the means of faith to stroke the fires of the inward change, scripture, the sacrements, worship, fellowship. These are our weights so to speak. We participate in these activities with full focus. We try to put all our hearts into focusing on the task at hand.

When we pray , we pray as if it were a dieing prayer, when we sing as if it were the loudest we could possible sing, when we read the scripture our minds should be trained to terry awhile and meditate on it. Our energy should be so spent in the use of these means just as we leave the gym dragging on our nuckles. Its really the picture of the apostle and the runner, he strains to keep his eye on the prize. He even struggles to the point of exhaustion.

An athelete goes through the same routine in what ever sport he is training for. He does it over and over, sweating and pressing, and driving himself to be better than anyone else. He spends more time training than actually playing the game. Thats the way we should train in the 6 days leading up to the lords day. If we do our focus on Him will be strong.

When trials come its getting close to game day and we will be driven into more intense training. Game day is when we go through the trial and come out on the other side. In our trials we are more focused on Him, we must anguish to hold on to Him. The weights are almost doubled in our trials, and we are tired of training. But we must hold onto Him. We must meditate on His word even harder and longer. We must actively supress the flesh, the devil and the world. We must get our focus on Christ.

In trials we pray that He will not alow us to fall. We may stumble but he will give us grace to strain for Him. We go to him in a trial and we pour out our hurt to Him. We tarry long in prayer until He speaks peace to us. We tell Him we will not let Him go until He blesses us. We get our eyes off of the trial and onto heaven. We strain to be released from anxiety by sturring up the gifts of the Spirit. We must drag ourselvse sometimes to sturr up that gift by prayer and meditation. We feel that we are standing against the forces of hell, that we are being pursed by a million armies, but our focus is on the soveriegn Lord. Our eyes are on the sovieirgn Lord continuesly. We may not feel like He is there but we hope in His word, we hold onto His promise but we must also strain to drive the promise into our mind in our stumbling experience and work the promise until we sense His smile. We must have His smile, that is His love shed abroad in our hearts before we really know what it is to fix our eyes on our soveriegn Lord. Even in the depths of despair, His word meditated on has a holding power so that we can make it to the next day. The pain we feel and the release we get from the word are mixed in the hottest point of the trial but the desperation of our cries will overcome the pain. We are as it were pressing the weight with meditation and prayer and we are stumbling as the weight comes back down on us. We use these means to strengthen our faith just like that bench press. When we are driven to exausten and we have people around us helping us get that last rep we cry out in agony to get that last rep. Our Fathers love is the experience of Him being there to carry us to the point of exhaustion. There is a mystery of a spiritual kind in the communication between the eternal power of God and our understanding of Him speaking to the very depths of our being, beyond our abilty to cope with the pain of it and His intricate comfort so that we do not succumb and be over taken in the most entense part of the struggle. That is Him speaking to us in a most profound way. It is a faith building experience.
8798  Forums / Theology Forum / Sin Vs Hypocricy on: July 12, 2006, 08:16:42 PM
There is a working principle here in the scriptures about the state of a believer who lives on this earth. Here you have the scripture that states that who ever is forgiven much loves much. There are a few deductions we can make about the principle here and how it applies to sin in a believer. Obviously in order to be forgiven much you must sin much. So really it is saying that a person who sins alot is able to love others better because he has recieved forgiveness by sinning alot. It reminds me of luthers saying that if you are going to sin then sin boldly. Its kinda like facing a reality that is in each one of us that we still sin and yet we are confident in Christ. A person who sins much knows that he sins much because he cannot know forgiveness until he knows his sins and he knows he has been forgiven them.

A person cannot understand forgiveness if he does not believe that he sins. If i said what is the biggest road block to forgiveness it would be that i did not understand myself and how much i sin. If i did not understand myself as a sinner then how can i go through the process of forgiveness and in my mind be convinced that i do sin? Really , sin is as present with me as each breath i take, and to think any different is to either be blind about sin or to intellectually work out a positive philosophy that will cause me to be untrusted by others because they will see that i am lying to myself and i am degrading the redemptive state provided for me in His grace.

Unless i do not acknowlege that i still live in a state of sin then i cannot acknowlege that i live in a state of forgiveness. And really, living in forgiveness is living the christian life. Living in corruption is living the christian life. Understanding the greatness of forgiveness makes me more one with my brothers in Christ than any kind of service that i can provide them. Because He really dont want the sacrifice he wants a broken and contrite spirit.

If we really think about it , the more forgiven i am the more freedom i will have to love others. The more i am going to experience the pleasure of Christ as a sinnner. If i confess my sins then i am going to experience the forgiveness that He obtained for me at the cross. So in a sense experiencing forgiveness on this earth is better than experiencing satisfaction about my own service. Here my confidence in sinnning boldly is in Chist forgiveness and and if the object of my faith gives me that much assurance then then it is more important for me to have that understanding of Christ than to grapple in unbelief and sin secretly.  
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8799  Forums / Main Forum / Ideas? on: July 12, 2006, 06:36:31 PM
Mark just go to God and tell Him of your struggles and ask Him to reveal to you a profound sense of assurance so that you know what to accept and what to reject in your thinking. Trust Him to kill the desires of pride and wrong thinking and pray that He will show you more of Himself by giving you the rite desires. I have found that because His word is so true that i cannot understand what i really know to be the truth until He assures me in His word that every intention i have is either good or evil. Once we are given an understanding of ourselves and the nature of our personal struggles intellectually, spiritually, and physically then we can worship. There is a sense in which unless we experience this freedom of worshiping Him then we will not understand Him. Its not going to happen over night. It will be a real struggle.
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8800  Forums / Theology Forum / Oneness In Christ on: July 12, 2006, 06:10:37 PM
When we are regenerated we are given new life in Christ. We die to our ourselves and we are given a new will and our old will has been destroyed. When we are baptized into Christ we are identified with Him in His death and ressurrection so that we now can reckon ourselves dead to sin and alive in Christ. We enter a new relationship in which we now want to glorify Christ by having new spiritual desires. We are self conscious of being united to Him and so it really is no longer us but it is Christ living in us. We look at ourselves in a completely different way.
We begin to see real beauty. When we look at creation we see the glory and mystery in its workings , and it glitters in our eyes as the sun is shining off of that creation. We see Christ work in it and we begin to worship Him as a result of the beauty of that creation. In Christ we can rationally deduct that beauty coming as a result of Him being in control of all things. When we look at our selves we can see His hand in making us, we no longer feel as if we had been slited, or given something that was not of beauty. Thats why we can grow old and still see His handi work and His creation in all of our time here in the aging process as Him bringing us joy as a result of our new view of ourselves. We can be happy even at what we percieve as ugly because it really is in the eye of the beholder that we look through in our new view of things.
When we sin we run to Christ and He forgives us, when we are hurt we run to Christ and that hurt draws us to desire being hurt with Him in our hurt so that our hurt fades away in His understanding our hurt by taking it and giving us new joy in its pain. We can a joy rite next to the pain and have the pain brought under control by Christ in the Holy Spirit so that we feel the joy more than we know the pain. Being in Christ means experiencing a supernaturally medicated struggle with pain because we are identified with Him in that pain and He is glorified with us in helping us see His beauty and not our pain.

In Christ we can pour out our hearts to Him and He will always listen. When He listens He actively acts before we complain to grant grace to us on the inside and to grant grace to those around us so that we know that the situation is going to be alright because we are in Him and He is in us because He and the Father are one we know that all will be well being always in Him in the Fathers house as special to the Father. Our prayers are answered by Him coming along side of us and communicating to us the beauty of His power and love so that we are changed from being under the weight of a situation to being thrust into the heavenlies and we no longer are anxious about our situation. We are given a profound sense of His love for us and in that love we bask in the freedom we experience from that anxiety.
8802  Forums / Theology Forum / Gods Relation To The Universe A.a.hodge on: July 12, 2006, 05:03:14 AM
We began to be at a definite period in the past. We continue to exist and to think and to act through a ceaseless succession of moments, the present, moment ever emerging out of the past and emerging into the future. But God is without beginning or succession or end. All duration, past, present, and future, is always equally comprehended in his infinite consciousness as the ETERNAL Now.

We are in space definitely, and are surrounded by it, and pass from one position to another through all the intermediate portions of space in succession. But God fills all space: not by extension, like the water of the sea or as the atmosphere; not by multiplication, nor by rapid movement, like an ubiquitous general along the line of his army; not as represented by his agents, as the head of an army or state may be said to be, and to act wherever his agents carry out his orders; not by his knowledge or his power merely, as when an astronomer may be said to be in thought wherever his telescope points, or a great sovereign to reign wherever his laws are obeyed. But by reason of his own infinite perfection, Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are in their whole undivided being present at every point of space at every moment of time. The whole God is always everywhere: within all things, acting from within outward from the center of every atom, and from the innermost springs of the life and thought and feeling and will of every spirit; without all things, embracing them as an infinite abyss, and acting upon them in a thousand ways from without.
8835  Forums / Main Forum / The Human Paradigm on: July 04, 2006, 10:41:47 AM
Here is the problem i have about you view of free will. First if the will is defined as have the ability to freely choose between between spiritual good and evil then being in an equal librium state it is really no will at all. To will is to prefer one thing over another. What you are saying is that the will causes the will to act which is a contridiction. (A self determined will )The will is not the cause of the choice. So in your theology there is no cause. And if there is no cause there is like saying there is non being.

You are saying that a person determines for himself whatever he wants. So you are saying that a person has a self determined choice.  But how can the will determine to will? If the will has no reason to choose other than it being free then your view of freedom is not freedom at all. Because the will determining itself has a pryor will to determine the next choice and so if you go back to the first choice then what determined that choice? Which is to conclude that there is no cause an so there is really no will in a self determined freedom sense.

Which comes back to the existence of being. The self determined view of freedom is really a non being view of existence. In which in the past non being exist and becomes being in the future choices. With out a cause for choosing you have no reason the have a God. So if God does not exist then , or He exist as a non being then your view makes it plausable that the only time you would have being is in the future when you re unite with God who will have being.

And isnt it true that your view of faith is irration chance view since you are able to choose based apoun your own reason so that any thing that is not rational being outside your reasoning is in the realm of faith. Now i believe you accept grace as the source of believing but since you leave the will as able and not under corruption your logic is the same as if it where out rite plagenism. So then whatever happens outside of the rational process is chance. Which is a deterministic view of life.
8859  Forums / Main Forum / The Human Paradigm on: July 02, 2006, 05:19:01 AM
Determinism is defined as man denying the reality of being created and responsible to that creator. Instead of man needing a relationship with his creator, he defines his own criteria for relationship in his universe. His own definition becomes the i - it syndrome. This is a universe of determinism, in which man determines his own destiny by his definition of what is rite and what is wrong. When God is recognized as God , and understood as the center of the universe and controling all things for His own glory then man lives in an i-thou paradigm, being in rite relationship with his creator under that rule.
8873  Forums / Theology Forum / What's Contemplative Spirituality? on: June 29, 2006, 11:41:50 AM
Although i do not agree with this kind of quietism i do think that the reformed judgmentalism is just as wrong toward the inactive parts of the christian experience. There is more of a tendency to lean toward the semi plagenistic view of moralism than to lean toward the mystical aspects of the christian experience today in our fast pace society. We are creatures of habit and so we learn to think in a habitual manner at the very young years of our lives.

As you know i am a meditator and unless i explain my experience then i really cannot offer a different view of these tendencies in our culture of human effort and active obedience. I have been memorizing large portions of scripture over the last 25 yrs and love the Psalms especially. I grew up with the semi plagenist mentality of reactionary theology. THat is for every disobedience there needed to be an active obedience to counter act that bad action. What was so devastating to my faith the this temptation to live under the circumstances rather than above the circumstances. Here i think is the heart of the problem of this struggle in the american consciousness.

 Its really not the action that brings about the real heart change, but it is the world view of the person who reacts to the circumstances. There is a general disposition in our 20th century christian culture that says that if we work hard enough at change then there will be lasting change, if we take one step at a time until we become well adjusted citizens and socially integrated. Here in this paradigm is a germ of reactionary philosophy in which if the circumstances in ones life become so unraveled then there will be a change that comes from a heart full of guilt which brings about required steps to take to acheive the change in ones life. In my own thinking there is a red light that goes off. And it is because i have fallen into this reactionary pattern in my own life because of the peer pressure that comes by a majority of people going this way. The pressure to be this way is so great today that i must clean my own heart from the temptation to react out of guilt rather than to go the route of meditation and joy and rest.

The truth is that unless you have experienced hours of meditation in the Psalms over many years then judging the mystical transforming nature of the scripture by your modern day reationary philosophies then you will not understand where i am coming from. The necessary element in reformation experience is in the supernatural, and the supernatural is not just what Christ did on the cross, or the creation of the earth , or the miracles in the old testement but they are in the mystical elements of desire, love , joy, rest etc. in the very desires of our moment by moment walk with God. This world view goes beyond giving advice to someone who is going through a divorce, it gets to the cell of an inmate who cannot do a thing about his predicament and must learn to trust in God in rest. Here is the essence of the struggle to captivate the american mind. Rather than the circumstances of divorce or any thing that a person goes through being the delima that causes the anxeity that destroys faith, it rather is what caused the person to go down the road in those young years. It really is not even the actions that accured in the home, but it really is the world view that taught the individual pragmatism, or semi plagenism. A person learns to react to circumstances based apoun his theological sorroundings from his birth.

If you know anything about the word of God it depicts a person who struggles with sin and does not promise smooth sailing on this earth. It depicts many trials, tribulations and problems even to the point of great sacrifice. It does not offer solutions to being in circumstances as reacting directly to those circumstances in a way that you lust over solutions to get out of the circumstances. Remember that the amount of lust you have to get out of the circumstances equal to the amount of lust you will be taken God for granted once you have performed the duty to relieve the circumstances. I know this is true because this is the heart of the fight i have as it relates to taking everything captive by the word of God. THis is the world view struggle that has an equal effect on the peer pressure that needs to be over come in this semi plagenistic american mentality.

We really have not understood the meaning of trials , and falling into sin and how to over come the heart problems until we have learned to rest in Christ and the struggle and rely on Him to over come our enemies. We must spend quite alot of amounts of time pondering in queit the essence of God , the profound power of God, the awsome abilities in God to perform on our behalf. We do not belive in quietism but we do believe in instant, supernatural transformation through the word meditated on to change our dispositions in a radical way through this resting.
 

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