This topic has been on my mind for quite some time. I partially had
some of my questions/understanding helped out in an unrelated thread by
Geno/Bill/Willis.
I believe that Jesus was 100% God and 100% Man
at the same time. I also believe that Jesus as God was 'hidden' as
Jesus, while on this earth, relied on and prayed to His Father for
everything, never using His God-ness for any miracles, etc.
So, here is my thoughts as of late. And I would like to get the thoughts of others.
I
have come to believe that Jesus as God was 100% there, but 'hidden, by
His own volition, up until the resurrection. In other words, all that
Jesus the Man learned, was from the Father. His gradual awareness of who
He was, did not come from himself. He never came back from His 'hidden'
state, until at the time of His resurrection. This only makes sense to
me because Jesus the Man, had to live as a Man and by the power of the
Holy Spirit, without measure, and the continuous contact and
relationship with His father, be able to resist and not committ sin,
even though tempted.
And the separation of Jesus from His
Father, for the first time in eternity, does not seem to me to be
possible if Jesus as God, was not 'hidden', by some way we can not
possible know, but of His own volition, when Jesus the Man, died on the
cross.
Jesus submitted to the Father. He was aware of what had
to happen to save all of humanity, and He willingly gave up His life to
do so. Again, it seems to me , that Jesus the God, during all that time ,
had to of been 'hidden', or this would not have been so hard for Him to
endure.
To me, this makes what Jesus did, as 100% 'hidden' God, and 100% Man, even the more astonishing.....
doug
If
He was 100 percent God and 100 percent man then the gospels will attest
to that . So really that duality is potrayed in the gospels. He read
minds, healed the sick, raised the dead, walked on water, revealed His
glory in some respects at the mount of transfiguration to the apostles.
He was holding the universe together, even as a fetus. He revealed
Himself to all of the people that are in the gospels that were saved.
Now when the text says he -Jesus performed these things it was not half
of Jesus but all of Jesus.
At the same time He weeped, greived, got
tired, sweat drops of blood, weakened as a man in the garden, grew in
knowlege and is still growing in knowlege as a man in heaven, tempted,
etc. So when the text says that he Jesus was a man and was in this
paridigm it was 100 percent Jesus not the man- half of Jesus.
-(Hypostatic Union)
He veiled His deity as in people recognizing Him in His glorified state.
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Forums / Break Room / Angels Unawares
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on: August 07, 2006, 03:48:45 AM
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I
have had experiences where i have been in prayer and meditation and
some weeping and had a sense of my heart being drawn out in worship.
Sorta a desperation of circumstances led me to have deep cries in the
Psalms which led to more desperation in the Spirit. Many times the Lord
has designed circumstances in my life to drive me into deep cries from
the heart. Then in much prayer and cries there is a sense of a direct
relief , a stillness of the atmosphere, a peace beyond the normal , and
then there is an awareness of answers coming. As if i had broken
through, then there is an awe that comes in the room as if there were a
breeze of air and a sense that there are angels close a hand. There is
in my mind a coming together of this confidence of an answer to my
prayer, and an impression in a sense that heavens beings are sent to be a
comfort by protecting and assuring me in such peaceful and sweet
impressions that my desperation has been lifted and i am still, and in
awe. Then these prayers are answered in the coming months. (If i could
identify all the answers) but usually there is a still small impression
that overtakes me as these answers come as if someone had been there
speaking to me and saying see, i heard your cries and i have come to
answer them. Of which i begin to praise God will all of my heart. I have
never seen an angel but my heart has been drawn out through mediting in
the psalms to such an extent that i was impressed by and inward
impression that an angel was near.
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Forums / Main Forum / Nightmares
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on: July 29, 2006, 06:47:56 AM
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I must be the odd one...Well I know I am... I love my nightmares!
Its
entertainment to me. Well I have had sicko dreams since I can
remember. Wake up see things...Crap like that.. They were not going away
so I did what I do best.. Dealt with it...And in the process grew to
enjoy the entertainment value.
Wow , sounds like you have a block buster implant in your head there Pete. 
I
think dreams are from the imagination and i have heard that we dream
all the time but most of our dreams we do not remember. I think dreams
can have a temporary effect on our over all dispostion. We wake up after
a bad dream and we are depressed and shaken. Maybe the dreams that we
remember are the ones we enjoy in a sick way. Feeling helpless in a
situation that we find ourselves in our daily routine. We are upset over
something that happened and we are angry and afraid and then when we go
to bed in that mood it sorta ozzes out in our dreams.
If we are
clinically depressed then the dreams have a greater impact on us,
because they just hurt more in our depression. Those vivid pictures are
played over and over again to keep us depressed. It could be that just
like people who are depressed hear negative voices all the time so
constant nightmares are part of that paradigm of depression.
The
psalmist talks about sleep all of the time. It seems that what kind of
state our soul is in pryor to falling asleep is terribly important in
how well we are going to sleep. There is a since in we are caught up in
this spiritual battle so that we are either passively recieving the
arrows of sin and corruption without putting up a fight and we mirror
that helplessness in our sleep. If we are engaged in the battle against
the world the flesh and the devil then to that extent that we fight is
the extent that we will sleep well. We really are people who live in a
spiritual realm where we are the commanders of a spiritual army in our
world and we pray and meditate in the word taking new ground in a
spiritual sense. Unless we are actively fighting we will recieve more of
the enemies artiliry pushing us back into a dispostion of spiritual
dullness.
The psalmist was always praying and placing his trust in
God pryor to going the sleep. He was always as it were pouring his heart
out before God as he would fall asleep. Going to sleep in itself is
both comforting and yet not having control over our minds we are in an
insecure postion. Its like the person who is in a battle and the enemy
is all around him and if he falls asleep and the enemy attacks then he
will be vurnarable. The psalmist looked at that in a spiritual sense.
It
seems that when night falls on us and we are laying in bed is when the
battle for our minds is the greatest, especially when we are going
through a great trial. Most of us are just recieving the blows from
thoughts that enter our minds as we are laying there. These thoughts of
worry, fear , anxiety at what ever level if not confronted will effect
our sleep if not confronted over a long period of time. Usually if we
are watching tv we can deflect the battle we are in and fall asleep, but
if we really want to learn how to sleep well we must at some point face
the monster that visits us as a result of our being in the world and
being subject to the worlds voices of shame, fear, anxiety.
Its
how aware we are about ourselves , those inner struggles that we are
fighting and those things that we are most susceptible to that seem to
affect us in different ways. Most of us have a tape recorder that plays
out from our child hood and replays at the same time every year. Like if
you had a bad christmas in your child hood then when christmas roles
around each year you become insecure and sensitive to depression. Well
its that way not only at christmas time but thoughout the year. What
ever sin you have struggle with in your past, in you younger years seems
to visit you though out your life. When the time rolls around on the
next year then you revist that struggle. The psalmist prayed for the
lord not to remember his youthful sins. They were like nightmares in his
soul in his older years. If we know ourselves in this way we will be
able to have a better understanding of those struggles we will be
confronted with in special times and we will take precaution. All of
these things go into having a good sleep.
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Forums / Theology Forum / Sin Vs Hypocricy
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on: July 28, 2006, 03:59:59 PM
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I
agree that we must see ourselves as completely righteous in Christ. But
really that is not the end of our viewing of ourselves as long as we are
on this earth. Sometimes we ignore the reality of sin and try to focus
on Christ so that we are in a greater inward battle trying to ignore the
reality of sin and viewing ourselves as righteous but really not living
with a true sense of the greatness of Christ. We fall into this trap
out of fear brought on by ignoring our failure because we must have a
good self image in order to understand the power of Christ in our lives.
So we delude ourselves by this philosophy of willing ourselves
righteous in Christ. This inward battle is putting us in a passive
position so that we have more of a mixture of self will worship rather
than real Christ centered worship.
Our view of God is really the
problem here. We create a god in which his holiness is just viewed as
moral rather than the essence of all of His attributes. What we do is we
think that God must have a completely righteous person in order for us
to be an acceptable sacrifice in worship. We delude ourselves by
thinking that we must view ourselves completely righteousness in order
for us to feel accepted by Him in our worship. God is not viewing us
from a postion of moral equality where He will not visit us until be get
everything rite. So that the end of His holiness is vieiwing ourselves
as completely righteous. The end of His holiness in visiting us is so
that we will see ourselves as unable in ourselves to get it rite. When
He visits us in worship our reaction to His holiness is not predominatly
guilt but an awe at the greatness of God in Himself. We are overcome
with a sense of His greatness, that is His glory so that when we are
confronted with that sense of His holiness we are brought to the end of
our viewing ourselves as able or good or having the attitude that if we
try hard enough we will succeed. Unless we get a real sense of His
holiness we will not consider His greatness and then we will not
understand how the Spirit frees us from our inssesant want out of our
own ability.
Once His presence is felt in a strong way we will
feel strong in Him. Once we sense that strength and awsome holiness we
will be free to view ourselves as unable in ourselves but completly able
in Him. This is the end of becoming free in worship. There is a real
sense in which the Holy Spirit witnesses with our spirits that all will
be well. That we really have had a carnal appetite that we have tried to
fill so that we could feel good about ourselves but it lacked the power
of God and a true understanding of His holiness. When He visits us in
this way our faith is strengthen, our love is without parciality, and
our understanding of Him brings us to a confidence that is supernatural.
We will see how far down sometimes we must go in order for Him in
visiting us with this holiness, to show us the extent of the potential
in the power of God witnessed to us by the Spirit.This is the end of His
holiness.
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Forums / Break Room / Love Poetry
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on: July 27, 2006, 04:46:07 AM
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God?s Rainbow of Love
The mind is like a rainbow of colors.
The thoughts of it go from one to another.
It perceives thoughts one by one,
But is blinded to the place from which they come.
Sin is like a storm that rises in the day,
To cover its colors and send its thoughts in array.
The soul is in awe of all the minds colors,
But sin rumbles in and sends them to another.
Its thoughts held captive to that earth sent angel.
The colors all muted its thoughts entangled.
A storm day and night to hide its rays.
Is a ploy of Satan to destroy it one day.
The winds of the Spirit blow in from above,
To open the rainbow and shine forth Gods love.
A mind with new life is a glorious light.
The Spirit of which has ended sins might.
With colors renewed, it?s the minds glorious sight.
A sign that the Lord has become its delight.
The throne of God, like the brightest rainbow of colors,
Shines down pure thoughts allied to no other.
It?s the mind of Christ, loves purest light.
Shines red then white, His heavenly abode, our future flight.
To soar up above past the rainbow of lights,
And bow before His throne will be its highest delight.
O Light of the Glorious God, O light of the Eternal one
My minds Ruby of Love, Christ Jesus His Son.
Tom
As the acts of the Will, in each step of the aforementioned procedure,
do not come to pass without a particular cause, but every act is owing
to a prevailing inducement; so the accident, as I have called it, or
that which happens in the unsearchable course of things, to which the
mind yields itself, and by which it is guided, is not any thing that
comes to pass without a cause. The mind in determining to be guided by
it, is not determined by something that has no cause; any more than if
it is determined to be guided by a lot, or the casting of a die. For
though the die falling in such a manner be accidental to him that casts
it, yet none will suppose that there is no cause why it falls as it
does. The involuntary changes in the succession of our ideas, though the
cause may not be observed, have as much a cause, as the changeable
motions of the motes that float in the air, or the continual, infinitely
various, successive changes of the unevenness on the surface of the
water. edwards
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Forums / Theology Forum / Neither Cast Your Pearls Before Swine Gilbert Bb
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on: July 27, 2006, 03:56:14 AM
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According
to our understanding of the subject, every effort to apply the things
of the Spirit of God to unregenerated men, is to give that which is holy
to dogs. Theological institutions for giving ministerial qualifications
to graceless youths for preaching, and to unrenewed children and adults
for church membership, and for evangelizing the world by humanly
devised plans and schemes, is an attempt to give that which is holy to
the dogs, and is clearly a transgression of the authority of our Lord,
and an open violation of the words of our text: \"Give not that which is
holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine.\" It is
not in the nature of swine to appreciate the value or beauty of pearls
any more than it is the nature of dogs to relish the rich pasture on
which the sheep feed. The children of God are in possession of jewels of
inestimable value, which none but the children of God can appreciate or
enjoy. Their spiritual privileges, their Christian love and fellowship,
their gifts and graces, their experimental joys and peculiar exercises,
their knowledge of divine things, are all pearls of great value to
them, but their excellency cannot be known or appreciated by those who
know not God. There is a fitness and utility in exhibiting these pearls
among those of like precious faith, but those who have never possessed
them would rudely trample on them if cast before them, as swine would
trample upon the most costly and precious jewels.
Christians are
greatly edified and comforted by speaking often to each other of all
the way in which the Lord has led them; they can talk freely one to
another of their joys and sorrows their conflicts and victories, but
should they make these things the theme of their conversation in the
streets and market places, or in the synagogues of Satan, they would be
treated roughly; infidels, Arminians, will-worshipers, like swine, would
trample them under their feet, and turn and rend the child of grace.
The psalmist said, \"Come and hear, all ye that fear God, and I will
declare what He hath done for my soul.\" They who fear the Lord can
understand the language, they know too well the value of such precious
pearls to despise or trample on them. But those who have only religion
of the world neither divide the hoof nor chew the cud and like swine ,
serve only their swinish appetites, their god is their belly and their
glory is their shame. The swine seem to have but one desire, and that is
the gratification of their ravenous appetite-, cast before them the
most costly and splendid gems, or pearls, and as they cannot eat them,
they have no other use for them, and they would as soon trample on them
as on the most common earth, and they will turn again and rend you,
determined to obtain something that they can eat; so when the Christian
attempts to display the glorious things of the kingdom of Christ to
unbelievers, they will sometimes be surprised to find that those with
whom they labor cannot appreciate those experimental things of which
they speak. Expostulate with them, and demonstrate what you say by the
most clear and positive Scripture authority, and they will disregard
your testimony and your Scripture, and trample both under their feet,
and then assail you again with as much vigor and determined violence as
though you had not exhibited to them your pearls.
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