5531	Forums / Theology Forum / Re: Romans and the Flesh Monster.	on: February 14, 2009, 12:08:06 PM
Its time to confront Finney. Now if sin was brought on by a learned response then its necessary for God and man to punish the learned behavior. Then the act would continue because the self was trained to respond in selfishness. So that salvation is defined as submitting to a moral code. Sin is breaking the moral code.... man is free to not break the code..so that its not sin until it becomes an act of selfishness. In other words God is not responsible in procuring sin on Adams race. Each man learns to sin when that man becomes a moral agent. The man does not bring sin into the world. Sin is strictly an act. This makes for a responsible choice. A responsible choice is the freedom to choose and not give into the temptation to sin. Temptation plus freedom is what defines the cause of sin. Salvation is defined as bringing man under the influence of the Spirit by teaching him a technique to master temptation. The technique is learned in moral instruction. The technique is the moral persuasion. Its a learned way to not give into temptation and thus not sin. So that salvation is training men in the art of moral instruction.  This is soooo un biblical. Welcome to the house of pain. Will write later.    5534  Forums / Main Forum / Re: I don't know how to deal with this. on: February 13, 2009, 06:25:02 PM We only serve one master. To that Master we stand or fall. He is the truth. Hes not the way to find the truth. The only way that He will be understood is if He decides to reveal Himself. Christ does a secret work on the heart and He uses the despised things to confound the wise. That is the truth. The only other way to the truth is finding that our own way will bring us to the end of ourselves. So that when we find the truth then we walk in His ways. We walk on His paths. His paths are straight , not crooked. The reason is because we see ourselves in the light of how helpless we are without Him because of our sin and our weaknesses.When we are walking in His way we are weak. When we are weak we hide in Him from all of the sharp arrows that come to us from the tongues of men. Mens words pierce like an arrow. Those who trust in crooked ways are not sensitive to the arrows. They follow the paths that lead them to speak without thinking. i do not care what position a person has in this world. If they are godless then they are following crooked ways. They may be the most kind persons this world has ever produced. But you cross them with something that exposes them for who they trust in and you will find that the heart will lead them to crooked ways. You can be the most open person, having love drip from your lips, but if your heart is not good, if you have no spiritual understanding, if you do not hear His voice, then your lips may be cordial but your heart is wicked and deceitful. And what will slip from your universal tongue will be the most vile hatred of Him that you could imagine. Because what you trust in will determine what you love.  So there is only one refuge in this world. It is in Him. Or hiding in Him from the arrows of wicked men. Its not avoiding anything accept what you think by your own way. When we find all of our protection in Him then we are finding the way of peace. In this is all of life.     5539  Forums / Main Forum / Re: I don't know how to deal with this. on: February 13, 2009, 01:19:18 PM Quote from: 7waynan7 on February 13, 2009, 01:12:04 PM Quote from: mybigGod on February 13, 2009, 01:03:54 PM  I dont even agree that a person should take the advice of someone if they are not led by God to do the advice. There is no set way to apply a specific scripture. Yes, G&R has to do what God leads first and foremost. Absolutely amen to that. But, she was asking for advice/opinion and I think she's got the either/or you always get with this type of sensitive topic. I even believe that what each of us has said has been very good and very honest and G&R knows that we are concerned with her and praying for the Father to give her His wisdom in this matter. Lots o' Love, Wayne  If i offer advice its probably because i have a different opinion than the one that is being offered. Usually when ever a situation is demanding some kind of action, i will sit on it for awhile and take it to God. Then when the time comes i will know and my track record is pretty good on this. Cause , God is much better when i give Him the time to work. Most of the time it was something in my own mind, or it was not as i thought it was. Or other people who went head long in telling that person to do a certain thing were found to be wanting. My personal experience in all of this is that God is much more able than we think He is. And we are always tempted to rush head long into something that in time will work out. Thats why i sit back and watch when someone is always offering advice as the only rite way. Its usually wanting.   My personal opinion is that if someone is not getting both sides in the end he is a fool. These are the days of semi plagenism. I hope i give the other side. 5545  Forums / Main Forum / Re: I don't know how to deal with this. on: February 13, 2009, 12:25:02 PM gloria you really do not need this problem. I would be really careful.Its up to you what you want to do. I do not think there is a rite or wrong. But i would avoid this situation or get some new friends. My personal advice on what i would do is to not be involved in this situation. You should avoid being drawn into evil companions. The life of a christian as to being protected is to be kept from being trapped in someones schemes. Its avoiding those people who would draw you in and force you to be responsible for a strife that you should never be involved with in the first place. Wicked men will force you to get in the middle of their wicked schemes. I think we should live in peace. Some of us are not made to be everyones Holy Spirit. Let God take the vengeance.  If i see someone who is taking advantage of others then i will take it to God who does a better job that anyone else can. And He will protect me from the traps that they will set for me. Proverbs says that when you get in come into a fight that is not yours and you get in between then you are only causing yourself grief.  5546  Forums / Main Forum / Re: Question about prayer on: February 12, 2009, 03:01:40 PM Quote from: Gouda on February 12, 2009, 02:53:14 PM I think sometimes pastors and congregations make marriage/kids seem like the goal of one's life, but that's just not the case with everyone, and it can make singles feel like something is missing, like they're incomplete. You mentioned you feel like you're not living up to your potential without marriage.  I can tell you I've known many married women who feel like their husbands and/or kids are keeping them from reaching their potential.  I don't mean to make it sound cliche--like "the grass is always greener on the other side"--but I'm just wondering if your expectation of marriage is putting more weight on the benefits than the challenges.  You also mentioned being lonely, which I think would be the hardest part for me, too, but I've also known married people who felt lonely in their marriage. There's no easy answer.  Like Jim said, if someone tells you they have the answer, avoid them. That Psalm you mentioned about God giving you the desires of your heart...You forgot the first part, "Delight yourself in the Lord" and he will give you the desires of your heart.  I don't think that means he'll give you a pony, if that's what you wanted, but I think it means that as you focus on God, as you delight in Him, your desires will become aligned with His plan for your life. I'll be praying for you, Madonna.  Thanx, let me say something about this who desire thingy. I have memorized these psalms and prayed them for yrs. God is going to increase our desires no matter how we look at it. Its not so much that He is going to change them. I mean our desires are both from the five senses and the spiritual longings. We really do not separate these things otherwise we would need to leave our bodies.  But God wants to give us more than we desire. He wants to sorta open the heavens and pour down His blessing. The neat thing about this whole getting to know Him is that He already has these things planned. We just get caught up in the five senses and fail to see that our longings can be dashed but never squelched. So that if we are to seek God for Himself then we will find that our desires will be fulfilled. There is a reason we are waiting on things to be fulfilled. The reason is so that we will seek Him cause when He blesses us then we will be tempted to make that thing and idol. We will easily forget Him. So that He is gracious in giving us enough for us to handle at the time and then leading us along by His grace  to persevere.  The reality is that we are what we think, not what the situation dictates. Its hard because every circumstance in marriage and outside of marriage will  give us a certian struggle with anger, the longings not fulfilled syndrome and the kinds of troubles others bring. But Gods power always causes us to rejoice.