5806	Forums / Main Forum / Re: Soaking Prayer	on: December 10, 2008, 05:20:58 PM
The Holy Spirit has the individual strings to our hearts and pulls these strings as we look into the abundance of the eternal communications in this Trinitarian fellowship through Christ. We are made aware of this eternal longing to find our relief in His direct effect in bringing a peace and joy that is beyond the things we rejoice in through our own work. There is a simplicity to our understanding that draws us out to have a silent infusion of the waves of power that flood our entire being. The Holy Spirit causes us to feel as if there is nothing that we can do to gain a favor in our own understanding of the divine cause of the working out of the good in this world. If we are made to rejoice in Christ it is by looking on His beauty in all of the spiritual effects in this communication to us. If we find a confidence in Him then we are drawn out of ourselves by the Holy Spirit. Now we know that there are corporal attractions in this life. But we are made aware that there are greater attractions from those things that are not seen in this world. This is the world of the Holy Spirits communications to us. Our active sight that reside in the our spiritual world is His communication to us of the reality of those things that are not seen. We look at Christ who we long for and we are made confident that we shall be made aware of who we are in our fellowship with the Spirit. Here is His powerful effect in our present consciousness. We cannot fathom the kind of supernatural communication in that bringing about this confidence in the working out of all things as the eternal immunitations are felt in us by Him. But it is  that fellowship that is bringing about the new mind of having confidences that are leading us in a direction that we know will not be thwarted. Because we are more aware of the Holy Spirits effects in communicating to us than we know of anything that has that kind of pull and power in this world.
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5807  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: Romans and the Flesh Monster. on: December 10, 2008, 04:56:10 PM Conversion is having a new understanding of a certain salvific incident that God is speaking His salvation to us. Now in this new communication He has caused us to be as stout heart ed as a child who is experiencing this goodness that is an eternal immunation of His purpose being worked out through us. There is a direct assurance that He will deliver us from all of our troubles. We are being converted to dwell in His joyful exuberance. So that we will shout to Him for joy since He will work these things for the good of others. Because we cannot effect a witness in our self determination. We must experience an ongoing supernatural effect in the saving purposes of God in order to have a love that is full of grace and mercy. We experience Gods love so that we might show others this converting love. Our confidence in His power is dependent on our receiving these communications. This deepens our longings for His glory to be manifested over all the earth. And even tho we go from one trial to another, we are drawn into His love by His promise to be our present help in times of trouble. Maybe we will experience different levels of this conversion. We know that He wants to do more than we could ask or think. This involves something uncommon for us to persevere through in this life. That is why we are led on in His love by these different markers in our lives where we had a direct influence in a deliverance f rom a  trial that we learned that His goodness was not just a promise but that He was communicating to us in real time. If we find that His goodness was this converting reality, then we will learn that there is no other place we can go for deliverance. The happiness we experience is in the salvation by His hand. We actually love that we are so weak. We long for Him to draw near by this confidence that there is a sense of a deep joy that we feel His presence from this conversion experience. This is what He does to prove to us that He has things for us that we could never accomplish in our own power. If we feel the presence of the Holy Spirit in this experience then we will know that He is all powerful. We will feel as if His omnipresent reality is fully active in our hearts to have a heart that praises God who works all things out for our good! Reply Quote Notify

5808  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: Cleaving to God on: December 10, 2008, 04:26:33 PM Yes we must lift up our souls to Him for comfort. Because we face loneliness and affliction. The world is not only full of attraction but it is a place where there is constant friction and hatred. And we are confronted by being in the public arena with the schemes men have devised so that the spirit is one of treachery. We can lift up our souls to God so that we might find rest in His love and forgiveness. Because when we have learned to find all of our rest and comfort from this world we are able to say as His purposes are being worked out through us that we will not be put to shame. He is the access we have to Him. Here is Gods method of treating us who are in Christ. Since we can lift our souls to Him we are under such a spirit of love that our purposes will not be thwarted in the end. When we lift up our souls to Him we are hoping in Him. There is no greater evidence that our hopes will not be turned aside by Him seeing that He valued our purposes that He sent His own Son to die and earn salvation when we did not deserve it. God valued us so much that He gave His most glorious gift for us. Now all of our days are spent in following His purpose for us. Because we are convinced by His goodness alone that what He wants is best for us. We face so many personal troubles that we cannot see sometimes. We are full of uncertainty in our best days. Since He teaches us to walk in His ways then He is constantly reminding us that we are freed from any kind of anguish that we are confronted with. We have a conviction to want to walk in His ways. Now in our identity with Him we are being freed from our uncertain worry. Now that we are on His path we are free from our past corruption and sins. He promises not to remember the sins of our youth. And since we have this promise then we are reminded that there is no lack of understanding that we will face in going before Him for wisdom. Because in forgiving us the we are seen as being in Christ. We are seen by the Father as completely righteous. There is nothing good that He will not lead us in or teach us by leading us. Since we suffer physical pain and the pain of being in this world, that is all of the fears and troubles we can find our full confidence in coming to Him for forgiveness. We know that He is just as certain to be our help as we are to find all of our peace from His forgiveness. What other end in His teaching us is there? If we have peace with God we have all we need. If we have peace with God then He will bless us with all that we need in this life. He will not only lead us to know that He has cast our sins as far as the east is from the west, but He is determined to bless us more than we could ask or think. Oh He brings us through many trials in His path for us. So that He leads us to cry to Him for peace and relief. Then we are made aware that we have a protection that is not natural. Then we know that He will keep us from the dread of the wicked. All our days will be spent in praising Him for being such a big and loving Father!   Psalm 25 Reply Quote Notify

5809	Forums / Theology Forum / Re: Cleaving to God	on: December 10, 2008, 11:26:41 AM
ok 5812  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: Cleaving to God on: December 09, 2008, 11:49:34 PM The Spirit of God brought into the created order new life in the beginning of time. It says that He hovered over creation. The Spirit is the source of our power since the energy that it took to bring about creating from nothing was essential. We see that God breathed into his nostrils the breath of God and man became a living spirit. The Spirit was in the original creation of men, giving the essential energy to exist. There was a free flow of the perfect order which made a much higher consciousness in the original man. Mans awareness to understand the unseen universe in relation to how he view himself and his surroundings was beyond our ability to imagine. Man had a perfect rest since there were no adversarial energy in the working out of all things.  Sin has made it very difficult to live in this world in this continuous restful trust in God. First because sin blinds the mind of a person to the glory of the original creation. It darkens the understanding to have a conscious ability to know that He is God. This whole order of the universe was turned upside down so that we were cast into a conscious reality that was full of uncertainty, having to face an adversarial powers , including forces that are too strong for us, and experiencing a fluctuation in the conscious reality of divine intervention , with the steady decline of the energy to sustain a consistent level of experiencing  the strength to persevere.  God has come through Christ who was the perfect man and reversed these tendencies. The conscious awareness of Christ as a man could not be understood, there is no comparison. Christ trusted the Father at all times in the greatest amount of love, with the supreme amount of energy as He confronted His own human frailties. He probably experience His frailties in a more real way than we do since He experienced them with an understanding of being consciously aware of all the workings of the world at all times. He saw the plots and the hatred even tho He was not present in His body. This was also why the experience of His death was unfathomable to us. Not only did a perfect holy sacrifice face the worse depravity, but all of the understanding and feeling about the punishment was experienced in order to be the perfect sacrifice. And i guess you could say that it was unfathomably hard for Him to deal with His own human weakness since He had the understanding of the power from on High. We are born into trouble. That is why we face so much uncertainty in this world. It is what clouds our understanding of the Spirits presence with us. The Spirit is near since Christ has sent Him to be our comforter. We have such a weak frame to know and understand what we possess. We have a revelation of new knowledge that is from a divine source. The knowledge gives us an understanding of the nature in that revelation. We are made aware of the energy and conscious understanding that God is near. But we fluctuate in the energy, the will, and the understanding because of the curse of sin. This is why we do not like things to be up and down, uncertain, and at times fearful. This is why we long to be free from these forces that are too strong for us. Those things that we experience that cloud our understanding of the peace and joy that comes from His presence.  We cry from this weakness that floods our souls. We are encouraged to come to Him for wisdom. Our conscious level of knowing that He will speak to us is being drawn to Him in the call of His response to our cry. There is an uncertainty that we experience in this cursed blindness we have in our dumbness. I am not even certain that we can avoid this paradigm by our growth in Him. There is a cause of a lack of understanding of the nature of this power and nearness that is within us that we are not completely able to overcome. Yet we have a promise that if we draw near to Him , then He will draw near to us. But then its in drawing near that we experience His nearness. Maybe its not a response as much as Him drawing us by our desire to be near in our prayers. If we could produce this restful paradigm then we could obtain His love by our prayers. But He is promised to revive us in praying in order to pray. I guess we are blinded by the conscious awareness that its a struggle to completely understand His gentle communication.  Here we find rest. We experience His nearness. How can He draw near without changing our understanding to be aware that He is near? For this is why we know of the power to be there in order for us to be confident that these paradigms  that are too strong for us that are within us and without us have dissipated in His presence. Here the Spirit effects this design to bring us into a fellowship that is without fear. This is what Gods love is when He is near in His divine unction. Oh my how we struggle with having a confidence that is extra ordinary. 5820  Forums / Main Forum / Re: Soaking Prayer on: December 08, 2008, 02:07:23 PM The Holy Spirit is like the wind that blows. You can not tell were the wind is coming from nor do you know where it is going. And the Holy Spirit is God the third person of the Trinity. So that the Holy Spirit is equal with the Father and the Son even tho He does a different work. So that the Holy Spirit is sovereign and does as He pleases. And the work of the Holy Spirit is experienced like rain falling. If we can grieve the Holy Spirit then we are doing something that is not acknowledging Him as who He is, or we are doing something that is not according to His Holy character. We have a first hand divine knowledge by our fellowship with the Holy Spirit. So that the Holy Spirit works to reveal the truth, or the meaning of the word of God to us. We acknowledge that the Holy Spirit is a person who reveals that truth in us  through His illumination to us and convinces us that it is the most glorious divine light that we could ever possess. In this way we are being led by the Holy Spirit to trust in Christ as the most glorious person we could ever serve. This is the process of learning that is different from any other method of learning. We depend on the Holy Spirit to teach us  the divine method in the meaning. We depend on the Holy Spirit to prepare our way for the truth to have free reign in our lives. In this way whether the Holy Spirit is the cause of our being able to rejoice in our understanding of divine knowledge or He is the end for which we serve Christ then He does lead us in learning to our understanding of the things of Christ. The Holy Spirit also influences us beyond any other power in this world so that we desire what is according to His nature. In this sense He is like the rain that falls upon us. For where ever the Spirit is there is freedom, or we are letters written by the Spirit and not according to a letter from a page. So that the Holy Spirit is involved in transforming us into the image of Christ by revealing Christ to us so that we understand the work that Christ has done on our behalf. Without the work of the Spirit and the word we would have no confidence that we have an interest in these spiritual things. The Holy Spirit is such an influence that He can give us a direct influence that we are Gods child. I am not completely convinced of this dichotomy between the mechanical means of the word and the Spirit and not having this direct influence in speaking to us. Without the direct effect then there would be no sovereign will and there would be no sovereign working. But we have a most glorious fellowship with Christ in speaking to Christ through the Holy Spirit. So that we are made to rejoice in Christ by the working and influence of the Holy Spirit. We are made to so effected by the Spirit that we are at times convinced that it is the Spirit that is consciously present beyond our normal consciousness of how we live in this world. And this is in some sense the reason that we are made to be so accepted and feel as if we are under the eternal paradigms even tho we live in time.  But when the Spirit falls like rain then we are drawn into a worship that is within an understanding that there are all of these things and these circumstances that we live in that are beyond this present physical universe. We are made with a desire to long for more of the Spirit so that we might remain in a state of thinking that there is a fountain flowing down from the throne and we are so under the influence of this gracious feeding to our souls that it flows out of us in joy and glory that is unspeakable. And at times we walk on this earth with this secret life of God that is hidden deep in the depths of our souls. So that we have times when this glorious rain is falling on us and we are made to see the light of the gospel of Christ as we long to meet Him face to face. This is why we can cry abba Father. Because the Holy Spirit shows us Christ and we are led to the Father to partake of the feast that He has prepared for us that feast that satisfies our souls so that we are made to long for Christ as a panting Fawn for water. Oh the sweet Holy Ghost, who comes, yes He falls upon us as we worship, we are overcome with a sweet affection of the Love of God. And then there is no desire that has taken us captive to work in us over the work of the flesh. We are captured by His love, we are enraptured in the Holy Spirits design for us in this world. How much sweeter the fellowship with the Holy Spirit is than any thing in this world.