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5851  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: Spitiual Mysticism vs. Spiritual Maturity on: November 26, 2008, 11:03:34 AM
If God is our teacher then He not only defines who He is , but He defines how much He is going to reveal and the line between belief and unbelief. Not only does He have a method for our understanding , but He is the cause of all that we know of the truth. This is the reality of the way we begin to be taught by Him so that we understand who He is and how much we are to understand about the truth. In other words we do not come to the truth, but the truth comes to us. The cause being the nature we have so that just as the soil is to the growth of the plant, so the nature we have is the understanding we have of all the purposes and the ends for which God has made for us in this world and for which the world was created. We are the only creatures in this world that can reason in the renewal of all things.

We can define mystery as a knowledge that is not understandable to us as being outside our ability to comprehend. And if God were to desire that we understand any knowledge then He would give us the ability to reason it out. For there are things that are impossible for us to accomplish even tho we know of them, yet we have never had the experience of doing them. And we are always free to talk about things that we do not have an intimate knowledge of them. If we lived on the principle that we could not give our opinion on something outside our sphere of experience then this world would be a miserable prison. Because we are made to seek after what is eternal and in seeking after God we are made to seek the knowledge of God, and it is more important to know something than to not know.Well...... knowledge reveal in its proper time. We cannot know God unless we have a knowledge of God. So that unless we are seeking knowledge then we are restless. If we place limitations on the methods, the kind, and the scope of knowledge that God has not limited then i think that is legalism.
5856  Forums / Theology Forum / Spitiual Mysticism vs. Spiritual Maturity on: November 24, 2008, 02:21:45 PM
Let me say just as a start since the questions you pose are going to lead to much discussion since this was a profound start. At most having a sense of the mystical and yet i sense that the searching is genuine. I believe that truth is set out and has been defined by God so that it is easily understood by the most incapable among us. And at special times God uses the most unlikely person to define reality to us, as it is revealed to us through what they say and how they act. We are most given to seeking things that are important according to the respected learned paradigm of this world. But at the same time even tho the main things , that is the gospel of salvation is elementary, yet there are questions that are posed that present a set of ideas that are not easily understood. But that is under the obligation to be led down a road to experiencing the truth as if it was the life of the conscious reality that exist for us to experience. So that the questions themselves are always leading.Ok just a start.
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5857  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: Romans and the Flesh Monster. on: November 24, 2008, 12:39:08 PM
   As you know or if you have not already learned that in meditating on the Psalms regularly I find that angels are quite intriguing. Whether its the Angel of the Lord who has a sword that comes from His mouth, that is our great protector, or a myriad of Angels who are appointed to protect us from this spiritual conflict, yet they are beautiful creatures who are intimately involved in our lives. And anytime we are in prayer and we start to feel the eternal nature of our gaining a greater understanding of standing in peace and having a sense of rolling our anxiety onto Him, it comes with this heavenly vision of the armies of heaven that are shining His glory in our having a future interest in seeing these armies at first hand. If we could imagine that even tho the sky's seem calm and having a blue glow to them, yet if we were to have a vision of the spiritual forces in the skies, then there would be this amazing clear transformation of our view with our eyes as if we were gazing on an object the was more clear and having an illumination of a light and color that we would feel so unable to find in comparison to the objects we are used to seeing.

And yet we are given a spiritual  vision of Gods armies attending His present salvation of us not only on the enlightening our eyes but in having an effect on our present circumstances. And the angels of heaven give us a sense of those parts of Gods saving purposes as if the armies of heaven are displayed before us in our Father in heaven acting to come to our rescue , so that this personal nature of our feeling helpless is buttressed by His illumination of His unfathomable spiritual creation coming from heaven to enact His victory for us.Oh my, can we have more confidence than that? For who can thwart His glorious appearance? Who can not conclude that God does as He pleases? Because He does it according to His divine order. May our eyes be opened to those powers that are not seen yet are very real.

 Gods order is from that divine knowledge. We know that the origins of all things comes from a divine source, that is from the Being who is God and not from a principle. I guess is we are to have a new knowledge of just how we are to be in a confidence that He enacts His purpose even tho the worlds order of things is trying to force their way upon us, yet God has determined to reveal this order in the heaven lies as a buttress to have confidence in that order we seldom are seeing today with our physical eyes in this physical universe. So that we are cast into a moral system that causes us to react to the physical universe. But yet God comes to us in the unseen universe and He has come  in Christ who has established His order, that is He determined how we are to act by His acting that for us. But we worship Christ the word of God, who is revealed to teach us by a divine method and not though the agencies of this world. If we set our affections on things above then we will be confident that God does as He pleases in spite of what the world teaches us about moral order.

OK let me just say one more thing here. We have the agreeableness to understand how we can be raised up to rejoice, i mean all of these glorious pondering s and illuminations that come to us come in the light of the glory of God. For who can look upon His present glory? But yet how can we conclude that there is not hope in His present communication. So where do we find a consciousness that is beyond the normal means of communication? We find it in the Spirit who is bring us into a new mind of thinking and acting. I mean, if what the Spirit communicates to us does not have a living reality then we are just mere actors in a play that the world has cast upon us to be forever frustrated that there is nothing outside this present play. Oh my, now can we conclude that God is the orchestrator of a much glorious unseen connection that comes in all of the details of every movement of all of the things of this world. Are we not under the obligation to see that God is not only speaking in the universe as if there was a reason to be confident by viewing the movements with our physical eyes, but that He is involved with all of the connections that we could never see and we could never understand. Shall we say that He speaks so powerfully in us, that we are confounded by the unseen circumstance?
5859  Forums / Main Forum / Re: A Month of Thankfulness on: November 24, 2008, 11:26:12 AM
Sometimes we face the holiday season having had a loss. Now these things are very difficult because we already had looked forward to thanksgiving and Christmas in a spiritually united way because we experienced that God is good to the whole world. As well as having the all of the glitter and fanfare of the holiday season, there was a sense in which we felt a rekindled romance with an old flame and we know the culture of pleasure and giving at this time of year. We all desire to experience this paradigm every year. But sometimes we have the sorrow of circumstance that puts a feeling of gloom over our culture of Christmas peace and joy.

Now we know that God is in control because if we were made to rejoice in this time of year, it is because the resurrection has brought about this cultural cycle that brings about a unity that is world wide. The Spirit of Christ is still bringing hope and comfort to the whole world. For who can understand the height and depth of Gods love? So that at this time of year there is no amount of praise and rejoicing in Him that can reach the height of pleasure and delight that the world will not look on and marvel in their blindness. We are the descendants of Abraham through Christ ,and we know that the promise involves the success of Gods work in His Son as if we are the stars that are shining for everyone to look up to and stand in awe of Gods lights, who are part of the multitudes both past and present who are shining the glory of God though the spirit of Christmas. This is His common rule at this time over all the earth. Christmas is a time of rejoicing and in whatever we do, we can experience that God is sanctifying this world wide unity in giving glory to His Son.

 But sometimes we are made to be mourning with the struggle to rejoice. Because God has a plan that involves having to struggle to have an understanding of the true Christmas focus. Because if we were just experiencing the culture of pleasure then we would naturally go outside the paradigm of the focus of how we are to glory in Christ in His word and we would not experience a lasting pleasure. Because wherever there is this pleasure that the world offers it has temporary effects and last only for a moment. But God has determined to hem us in and around so that we will grow in our understanding of the things that last so that we will not fall into the  temptation to make idols of the Christmas flare. And so He does this by giving us a struggle to focus on Christ.

In a sense Christ has left to go to heaven, and we worship Him in spirit even tho we focus so much on His physical birth. But He has sent His Spirit into the world so that we might worship Him in Spirit and in truth. And even tho we experience a unity of purpose in this support we have as the world is in awe, yet we still are made to find all of our comfort and hope in Him. So that He comes to us personally and refines us at this time of the yr. And even tho we are struggling to give Him the glory He deserves, yet we know that it is that we might understand the He is to refine us so that we might rejoice in Him more and more, so that we might know Him and be changed into His image from glory to glory.     
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5860  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: Romans and the Flesh Monster. on: November 22, 2008, 01:29:24 PM
I have meditated on this Psalm 31 spoken by Christ on the cross. And it really does ring for eternity even tho the event came into time and was culminated in His final battle with Satan himself. And if there is anything that we do not think is available to us in living in the reality of Christ dominance over Satans arrows, then we have not pleaded the Psalm enough to gain a power int the prevailing prayer and experience a sense of being given this power over the entire evil spiritual realm that we are so very powerless in ourselves to overcome in this sorrow. But we are promised by Christ that He would send His spirit as the greater comforter than any of the adversity that prevails over men in this world. And His Spirit breaths upon us through His final struggle in this Psalm that we have a place of refuge in experiencing this comfort to have a peace that passes all understanding.

Shall we conclude that we can have a faith that rest in this finished work, by being reminded of Christ present comfort in His Spirit? Why now do we not have this baptism of Gods Spirit to come and make us look as if we were drunk with pleasure , that is having His glory shine upon us, and rejoicing in Him with a joy unspeakable and full of glory. If we are made to have a disposition of conquering faith then we are made to have fellowship with the Holy Ghost as if He were giving us a life by that breathing on us so that we are brought out of ourselves in the present world and we are made to find a supernatural consciousness that transcends our present groaning. Here we not only are made aware that Christ earned His victory over Satan that final attack just before He gave up His last breath, but that we are experiencing His life by our understanding that He went the road that we could never understand and He is far greater to lead us out of our deepest trials. There He is a friend of sinners.
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5861  Forums / Theology Forum / Dispairing on: November 22, 2008, 10:52:35 AM
Psalms 102 

1.  A Prayer of the Afflicted when he is faint and pours out his complaint before the LORD.
Hear my prayer, O LORD !
And let my cry for help come to You.

2.  Do not hide Your face from me in the day of my distress;
Incline Your ear to me;
In the day when I call answer me quickly.

3.  For my days have been consumed in smoke,
And my bones have been scorched like a hearth.

4.  My heart has been smitten like grass and has withered away,
Indeed, I forget to eat my bread.

5.  Because of the loudness of my groaning
My bones cling to my flesh.

6.  I resemble a pelican of the wilderness;
I have become like an owl of the waste places.

7.  I lie awake,
I have become like a lonely bird on a housetop.

8.  My enemies have reproached me all day long;
Those who deride me have used my name as a curse.

9.  For I have eaten ashes like bread
And mingled my drink with weeping

10.  Because of Your indignation and Your wrath,
For You have lifted me up and cast me away.

11.  My days are like a lengthened shadow,
And I wither away like grass.

12.  But You, O LORD, abide forever,
And Your name to all generations.

13.  You will arise and have compassion on Zion;
For it is time to be gracious to her,
For the appointed time has come.

14.  Surely Your servants find pleasure in her stones
And feel pity for her dust.

15.  So the nations will fear the name of the LORD
And all the kings of the earth Your glory.

16.  For the LORD has built up Zion;
He has appeared in His glory.

17.  He has regarded the prayer of the destitute
And has not despised their prayer.

18.  This will be written for the generation to come,
That a people yet to be created may praise the LORD.

19.  For He looked down from His holy height;
From heaven the LORD gazed upon the earth,

20.  To hear the groaning of the prisoner,
To set free those who were doomed to death,

21.  That men may tell of the name of the LORD in Zion
And His praise in Jerusalem,

22.  When the peoples are gathered together,
And the kingdoms, to serve the LORD.

23.  He has weakened my strength in the way;
He has shortened my days.

24.  I say, "O my God, do not take me away in the midst of my days,
Your years are throughout all generations.

25.  "Of old You founded the earth,
And the heavens are the work of Your hands.

26.  "Even they will perish, but You endure;
And all of them will wear out like a garment;
Like clothing You will change them and they will be changed.

27.  "But You are the same,
And Your years will not come to an end.

28.  "The children of Your servants will continue,
And their descendants will be established before You."
And here is another one , deeper into dispair

Psalms 88 

1.  A Song. A Psalm of the sons of Korah. For the choir director; according to Mahalath Leannoth. A Maskil of Heman the Ezrahite. O LORD, the God of my salvation,

I have cried out by day and in the night before You.

2.  Let my prayer come before You;
Incline Your ear to my cry!

3.  For my soul has had enough troubles,
And my life has drawn near to Sheol.

4.  I am reckoned among those who go down to the pit;
I have become like a man without strength,

5.  Forsaken among the dead,
Like the slain who lie in the grave,
Whom You remember no more,
And they are cut off from Your hand.

6.  You have put me in the lowest pit,
In dark places, in the depths.

7.  Your wrath has rested upon me,
And You have afflicted me with all Your waves. Selah.

8.  You have removed my acquaintances far from me;
You have made me an object of loathing to them;
I am shut up and cannot go out.

9.  My eye has wasted away because of affliction;
I have called upon You every day, O LORD;
I have spread out my hands to You.

10.  Will You perform wonders for the dead?
Will the departed spirits rise and praise You? Selah.

11.  Will Your lovingkindness be declared in the grave,
Your faithfulness in Abaddon?

12.  Will Your wonders be made known in the darkness?
And Your righteousness in the land of forgetfulness?

13.  But I, O LORD, have cried out to You for help,
And in the morning my prayer comes before You.

14.  O LORD, why do You reject my soul?
Why do You hide Your face from me?

15.  I was afflicted and about to die from my youth on;
I suffer Your terrors; I am overcome.

16.  Your burning anger has passed over me;
Your terrors have destroyed me.

17.  They have surrounded me like water all day long;
They have encompassed me altogether.

18.  You have removed lover and friend far from me;
My acquaintances are in darkness.

5867  Forums / Theology Forum / Re: Romans and the Flesh Monster. on: November 22, 2008, 01:38:38 AM
In order for us to get relief from our pride we need to have confidence that He is presently able to assure us of our redemption from the slavery to sin and self that we were under as being separated from His love. Because He endured the cross by taking on the full wrath of the Father for our sin , then we are not only delivered from the power of sin and the law, but we have a present help in our time of need. We do not need to pay for our pride or our sins. They were completely taken care of in Christ. Now we can come boldly before the throne of grace and find help in time of need. When we come before Him we are receiving an ongoing assurance through His suffering on our behalf so that He is listening to our complaining and our request as one who is the end for which we find grace apart from the bondage to the law. And even tho we experience the effects of sin in our bodies and in our groaning because of the incomplete understanding we have of His power. yet there is no loss to us who seek Him with all of our hearts as if we were afraid for our own well being when we compare our goodness to His standard of good.

But instead of Him discouraging us from this concern, He comes to our aid and at the same time calms our fears. Since there is more power in Him that is available to us than we could find in being satisfied in finding relief in what we think we need, then we are invited to find the greatest pleasure and glory in being freed from the bondage of our conscious painful worry by Him leading us away from that pain we blindly embrace as if we knew a better way to be self protective. So that He not only shields us from our wanting to be free of the vision by our lack of understanding, but He gives us new life so that we cannot produce enough evidence as to why we are enabled to dwell in His perfect peace. He not only knows better what we need, but He grants us more than we could ever be selfish enough to understand how good He is to us.

Just read it a couple of times and think about it.
5873  Forums / Main Forum / Re: Pro-life on: November 20, 2008, 10:12:53 AM

I believe I could easily hold a state office political..

the uninsured cost each state millions---they use the emergency room as there primary care doc..


if we cut the feds out and offered uninsured an affordable state plan---next to follow is the companies that were charging 1200 per month for a family plan----they magically reduce there price to..affordable competitive level and competitive plans too

NOW instead of all loss you--the state recapture some funds back------then the ER is not constantly over flowing---yes the care would not be the best--but it is a realistic start----

to enforce people whom are eligible--who do not sign up will be penalized--withhold there tax returns-----

see W can negotiate---i have no money----the only negotiating i could to was telling them to kick me out of their office quietly---that was pete's negotiating-----see money is the key for uninsured---they can promise to pay---dirt poor folk unable to work they don't enjoy that leverage

Pete this is an issue of men who go down a road where they have a very limited view of human freedom. The biblical view is that we treat one another how we would want to be treated. Man at his best thinks that if he doesnt take a gun out an shoot his brother that he is basically good. But all men, given the choice would protect themselves over the other guy by withholding something for whatever reason. Today these reasons are multi faceted and are actually part of the sting that forces people to fall in line under this corrupted power that man has devised. But God laughs at mans schemes. Today men hate their brothers in the name of being responsible.

 And since God has decreed that all earthly systems are unjust and lacking compassion, then we are made aware that we are to look to God to right the wrongs. For He hears the cries of the afflicted and He has determined to break the arm of those who think that God is not watching. For the fool has said in his heart there is no God. And since he believes that he is not under the scrutiny of God then he will be removed out of the way. The first people to be lined up and murdered by a communist power are the leaders who led people into their scheme of power.  Just look at history. Men do not live in a society that is pragmatic. God is on the throne and will not be mocked. The only healthy fear we are to have is the fear of Gods retribution. Not a fear of losing everything this world is to offer, not the fear of what they can do to your bodies.

Because there is the eternal just retribution that will be required of all men who do not bow the knee now. I say this because in order for us who know the love of God we must see the wrath of God as the back drop of His protecting us by His caring out His wrath. We can be assured that if we are in Christ we will dip our feet in the blood of ruthless fools. Gods ends are always carried out in the reality of His means.  Other wise we may think that there is more required of us to be anxious of those who are testing Gods patience. And then we will be cast into anxiety. But we know God to be loving by His protection of us. And even tho it looks like men are not getting what they deserve , rest assured that God will bring men to their knees for their determination to reject Christ. 
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Is this a long history of men having to face this despair?   

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